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Wanna try heroin advice?

Ceres said:
mmkay.
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Ok, let me put it this way.... I am going to try it no matter what your opinions are. SO you can either aid in harm reduction with giving useful advice or not. Regardless I will try it ?
As I say I was using 300mg morphine a day + 600 DHC + 900 tramadol aswell as 100mcg fentanyl per hour regardless of your personal opinion I feel that's a pretty high daily dose every single day for 18 months of which I was able to just quit instantly. Regardless, I know I can take it or leave it hence why I am prepared to try it. If I had a genuine feeling of being hooked I would just leave it, probably why I don't have any interest In pinning it......

Sorry Ceres that's not aimed directly at you.
 
mr.buffnstuff said:
I have very good self control and a lot of respect for opiates as courtesy of te NHS I was dependant (300mg MST morphine, 600 DHC, 900 tramadol and 100mcg/hour fentanyl) a big thanks to the NHS! I kicked that cold turkey in 2012 i know I can control my use definitely otherwise I would stay away. I know alcoholics and people dependant on all sorts of drugs so I know it's easy to dismiss advice but I also look at the bigger picture there's millions of gear users who can take it or leave it aswell as many of people who are addicted.
I ask the advice of experienced users, I like the thought of snorting it rather than chasing that dragon as I'm crap at running anything on foil! Think I'll buy a g of #4 and see how i get on.
AGAIN - I don't any to do this to start a new hobby it's more to understand and experience it. I actually doubt it would even be a regular thing.
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If you can control your use why the need to take opiates again? There's no such thing as a gear user who can take it or leave it...take opiates long enough and quit and restart enough and you're on the road to addiction. I was on higher medical opiate doses than you and I quit several times and restarted and there comes a point where stopping on your own is impossible. You're very early on in the opiate journey at 18 months. You either get out now for good or end up in a raging addiction. The fact you want to try heroin should be putting off alarm bells in your head - that's the lure of opiate addiction calling you in and the denial and lies you're telling yourself about being able to stop any time are lies we all told ourselves. Quitting is one thing - staying stopped is quite another. Most people addicted to most things can stop, but they can't stay stopped - that's addiction. The opiates are calling to you and you are being sucked in and you can't even see it. Y

You're already in addiction if you can't stop opiates and stay stopped.
 
I've been off them for 3 years with no hassle BUT I'm curious of many drugs not just gear. Does this mean I am fighting off addiction from everything else also?
 
That´s also true.
If you started a thread because you might have been doubting if you should, I´m pretty sure you have your answers right here.
 
*Sigh* I'm interested as I have access to good quality stuff to try. I could have had it 1000 times before but have t bothered as I'm not interested In trying crap. I'm interested in trying it. Not to make it a regular thing or anything like that.
I'll get a G of #4 and snort it rather than try running it on foil and wasting most as I'm pretty crap at that. I also do a job that involves regular and random testing I won't risk a 60-90k a year job through smoking gear like all other drugs I do. My life comes first.....
I'm sorry for anyone here that can't put it down I really am but that's not me.
 
mr.buffnstuff said:
I've been off them for 3 years with no hassle BUT I'm curious of many drugs not just gear. Does this mean I am fighting off addiction from everything else also?
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That's how I got sucked in. I stopped cold turkey, did several years off all opiates, thought I could handle it and try them again and BANG it got me. Your next cold turkey experience will be something very different. The brain changes massively with every cycle of stopping and restarting. Don't think it can't happen to you. I thought that and I'm one of the most stubborn fuckers you'll ever meet and opiate addiction still sucked me in. Addiction is a progressive disease and the fact that you went through cold turkey yet now think you have it all boxed off and want to try opiates again should say it all to you. My head told me after years off them that I was "better" and this time would be different. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

Steer clear unless you want to wreck your life.
 
mr.buffnstuff said:
I'm sorry for anyone here that can't put it down I really am but that's not me.
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If that's not you, then why do you want to even pick it up again in the first place? Addiction starts by picking it up periodically and putting it down, then it progresses into gradual loss of control. You won't give a shit about the job once it sucks you in. You are sleepwalking right into a disaster here and you can't even see it, just as I couldn't see it. I told myself all those classic lies too. That's the disease of addiction conjuring up the denials that put us right back into catastrophe.
 
Ok, so how do you compare the addictive qualities to say nice crystal meth or crack? I LOVE both but havent bothered with them for about 2.5 years.....
 
What is the point of getting an "advice" for "safe" usage when there is nothing safe about it? And I have to disagree with your petty excuse for having a control over it, bcs if u had any control and mental stability u would't be going further into something so harmful. And if u are so sure that u can stop, why didn't you till now? You are fooling only your self, I am sorry for all the personal potential u are wasting just for one temporary high.
 
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Tis risky, but after a first try you might decide that you don't even like the buzz. I've done H just a few times, years back, and I didn't rate it very high. I had no real wish of acquiring the taste either. But since then, I've been having to use painkillers and now that I'm messing with lesser opiates (that don't really cut it anymore) sometimes I'll have the thought of smack jumping back in my head. It is quite good value for money at first, you see..

SummerSerenade said:
Pretty sure he's going to do it no matter what anyone says so with that in mind:

Get #4. Start off sniffing (don't try to smoke #4, iirc it doesn't work anyway?) 5-10mg (basically the smallest amount you can measure out) and see how you react. It won't look like enough to do anything but don't make the mistake I did when I first did it by redosing too soon with a larger amount as, like me, you'll end up puking all day (or dead if you really push it I guess). Wait a decent amount of time (er... an hour or so to be safe I'd say) and see how you feel off it, then do another bump of the same size. Rinse and repeat until you're nodding nicely. If it's really pure then 20mg will be enough I think if you've got no opiate tolerance. Just remember to keep to SMALL bumps because you can always do more but once you've done too much then it's a bit late.
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Agreed, 20mg isn't actually a bad first dose if you're buying higher quality stuff. Lots of dosage advice online is from the pre-darkweb days when many folk were buying bashed underweight crap.
 
mr.buffnstuff said:
Ok, so how do you compare the addictive qualities to say nice crystal meth or crack? I LOVE both but havent bothered with them for about 2.5 years.....
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Methamp & crack are not physically addictive, just compulsive and fiendish - like most stimulants. When you stop using them you get a comedown and may be depressed for a few weeks, not withdrawal. There is no comparison.

Do you have regular access to heroin or is this a one off? If its a one off then knock yerself out man. If you can't get it again you'll be OK, but rember, once Pandora's box has been opened it can never be closed again. I don't want to sound melodramatic but I don't know anyone who was able to resist going back for more if it was readily available. I was a chipper from the age of 17 to 30, simply because I couldn't get it rugularly. But when I hit 30 I met a dealer and that was it - ive spent the last 20 years ping ponging between gear and methadone and my life has just been on hold all that time.

On the other hand, 60 - 90k a year? If anyone can afford to be a smackhead its you :-)

BTW, don't do crack if you haven't already. It will rape your soul..... Edit: ah, I see you already have.
 
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Well seeing as you are thinking of trying - regardless of the wise words of "Don't!" you have been given - you likely will... unfortunately :\

As for how to consume it, the safest way is to chase it. You can gauge it's potency and remain as safe as possible this way.
But whichever way you take it - yer askin for trouble n strife in yer life.... Honestly = It doesn't take long to have it rule you.

I'd advise you mostly to not do it, but if you MUST try it then be fuckin careful and take care of yourself <3
 
lurching said:
Tis risky, but after a first try you might decide that you don't even like the buzz. I've done H just a few times, years back, and I didn't rate it very high. I had no real wish of acquiring the taste either. But since then, I've been having to use painkillers and now that I'm messing with lesser opiates (that don't really cut it anymore) sometimes I'll have the thought of smack jumping back in my head. It is quite good value for money at first, you see..



Agreed, 20mg isn't actually a bad first dose if you're buying higher quality stuff. Lots of dosage advice online is from the pre-darkweb days when many folk were buying bashed underweight crap.
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Good point, I know several people that were curious so tried it but didn't like it and have never bothered since. However, I don't know of anybody that liked it and hasn't ended up in trouble.

If you have access to the darkweb and a healthy bank balance then you could be in serious trouble. On the other hand, heroin can be a very functional drug once you're over the initial dribbling on the floor stage - it is classed as a 'stimulant narcotic' after all - so if you don't have to spend most of your time getting the money and trying to score, then the impact of being an addict on your life could be minimal - for a while. But it will eventually catch up with you and bite you on the arse.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Methamp & crack are not physically addictive, just compulsive and fiendish - like most stimulants. When you stop using them you get a comedown, not withdrawal. There is no comparison.

Do you have regular access to heroin or is this a one off? If its a one off then knock yerself out man. If you can't get it again you'll be OK, but rember, once Pandora's box has been opened it can never be closed again. I don't want to sound melodramatic but I don't know anyone who was able to resist going back for more if it was readily available. I was a chipper from the age of 17 to 30, simply because I couldn't get it rugularly. But when I hit 30 I met a dealer and that was it - ive spent the last 20 years ping ponging between gear and methadone and my life has just been on hold all that time.

On the other hand, 60 - 90k a year? If anyone can afford to be a smackhead its you :-)

BTW, don't do crack if you haven't already. It will rape your soul.....
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You speak sense
 
mr.buffnstuff said:
*Sigh* I'm interested as I have access to good quality stuff to try. I could have had it 1000 times before but have t bothered as I'm not interested In trying crap.o I'm interested in trying it. Not to make it a regular thing or anything like that.
I'll get a G of #4 and snort it rather than try running it on foil and wasting most as I'm pretty crap at that. I also do a job that involves regular and random testing I won't risk a 60-90k a year job through smoking gear like all other drugs I do. My life comes first.....
I'm sorry for anyone here that can't put it down I really am but that's not me.
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Eh? If your subject to "regular and random" testing then surely you are putting your job at risk by buy a gram? If you were to follow the dosing advice here then that's 50 doses! For someone who "regularly " tested that sounds pretty risky to me (not to mention the risk of being caught by the old bill). You've given more than enough good reasons yourself not to try it let alone the reasons experienced other folk have given you. I think the bottom line is you want to try it and all the logical argument in the world wouldn't dissuade you.
 
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