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Wanna try heroin advice?

tigerlillie said:
hey guys
I'm pretty new to Heroin as well, I don't get the numbers! what's #4 etc?
Thanks x
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Hit the search engine here or google, there's loads of info out there. Essentitally #4 is the hydrochloride salt of the heroin molecule and #3 is the alkaline freebase, which affects the routes of administration they are suitable for. #4 is soluble in water and is good for insufflation or injection and #3 is insoluble in water and is good for injection (after cooking with an acid to turn it in to an acidic salt) or smoking. It's not quite as simple as that but that pretty much explains it.

If you are in the UK you don't really have to worry about it as you are unlikely to ever see #4 unless you buy it from the dark web. Practically everything available on the street is brown afghan #3.
 
Only ever properly tried oxy before... dabbled on and off every other weekend for about a year.. Despite not actually enjoying it very much.. the grip from opiates is odd. some proper ball grabbing shit. cant imagine how soul destroying it is to try and recover from being a full blown addict to it. overrated bollocks. i found myself craving it even tho i dont really enjoy it. Even now thinking about the stuff now makes me want it & ive not properly touched it for years. i did enjoy the stimulating part before the nods, but not a fan of nodding at all. Mixed with booze and opis can seem golden.. but apart from that my body doesnt seem to agree with it

Blankety trippy euphoria.. gimmi ketamine. blows the tits off everything. wipes the floor with opiates imo
 
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@ColtDan,
I really do appreciate your luck!! That´s a win win situation with opiates 4life!

NightsEpiphany said:
Well sometimes things have to be done one step at a time. I'm battling tramadol atm but I'll overcome it God willing.
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Tramadol´s withdraws are not that bad IMO as it does not last that long.
I know it´s difficult for any opiate but you could maybe start by decreasing the dosage, maybe by half table every 2 weeks.
Or one quarter.. You can do it!:\
 
WantToBeReborn said:
If you can control your use why the need to take opiates again? There's no such thing as a gear user who can take it or leave it...take opiates long enough and quit and restart enough and you're on the road to addiction. I was on higher medical opiate doses than you and I quit several times and restarted and there comes a point where stopping on your own is impossible. You're very early on in the opiate journey at 18 months. You either get out now for good or end up in a raging addiction. The fact you want to try heroin should be putting off alarm bells in your head - that's the lure of opiate addiction calling you in and the denial and lies you're telling yourself about being able to stop any time are lies we all told ourselves. Quitting is one thing - staying stopped is quite another. Most people addicted to most things can stop, but they can't stay stopped - that's addiction. The opiates are calling to you and you are being sucked in and you can't even see it. Y

You're already in addiction if you can't stop opiates and stay stopped.
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Good post.
 
If your mind is set on taking smack I am not your father I am not going to tell you not to do something it is your life, but what I will tell you is what you're opening yourself up to, at first you will probably fall deeply in love like you have with no other bitch soon as that tiny key bump you sort (assuming thats how you do it first, thats how I did it as I knew of no other way to do, I know about tooting but I couldn't do it then) hits you and you feel what people describe as that heroin planet, that heaven on earth place. You maybe be able to keep it to once a week or whatever so long, but more than likely that one day will turn to 3/4 then one day you will wake up and it will hit you with a bag, gear will be the first thing you will think of and need, and even by this point you will think this is a doodle - that is because that isn't even nearly the start. You will think this is no biggie, one bags holding me, and just using extra sometimes to get a nice buzz, but before you know it that one bag will be at 3 a day, you wonr even remember it getting to two bags a day, or if your lucky enough/have the doe to score weight your habit will shot up dramatic style, if you have a job that will be failing apart around you, if you have not lost it already, I know fellow brass monkeys who have got jobs, but for a newbie coming into the junkie lifestyle doesn't have time for work, smack is the main gain, when your new to it, doesn't matter if your sick or not, before you sleep you will think of smack good chance you dream of it too, and when you wake up it defo been on the head soon as you wake up you will feel the sickness creeping in, your ass better hope you have doe to score, only shit thing is your awake for 6 but people domt starting shifting till later - leaving you clock waiting rattling, then came you imagine what it would be like for them to find out there child is a smack head?

I say all that as someone who has bzen through it all, I am not going to lie and say I hated it all because that's just not true, I mostly stupid for other people not myself, I am not ready to give up, If I could go back and never try it I would, but I cant and I know why it is called HEROin, its an amazing bitch but a bitch who will take every you have got, and more - the fucked up thing as I write this, after being a brass money for 2 year, then of getting of it in 6 weeks using suboxne to get clean from December till two weeks ago I starting getting a g, g then but once it was gone I could just leave it, but being the smart cunt that i am i went to see my old bag man, I ended up with quality so have been going, probably safe to say i have at least a baby habit again - the dunt is great and is great long as you have it, but thats one thing we dont always have it.
 
sorry if this is bumping in on someone elses idea but a friend of mine is about to acquire 100mg of white #4 type heroin, i don't really understand what the different numbers mean and how they relate to different types but could someone enlighten me?

I have zero background with opiods only benzos, weed, coke, mdma etc. For this type of heroin I think it's gonna come in a white ish powder, do I literally do like a keys worth as if it was a key of coke or is even that too much? I'm extremely anxious about trying it so if I do it I atleast wanna do it right without fucking od'ing. So yeah any suggestions please.
 
^ If actual #4 with zero experience or tolerance than you need mg scales. A "key bump" could very easilly kill you. 10-20mg is the general range but good luck guessing that if you genuinely don't know and don't quote me on that with no prior tolerance and the like. Frankly, I would not trust anybody supplying 100mg of anything to be that good on the scales to be sure you can just divvy it up like speed, coke or whatever. Pure heroin will stop your heart in... a heartbeat. And with no tolerance bor even passing familiarity with opioids you are playing with fire and could very easiliy die.

ColtDan said:
Only ever properly tried oxy before... dabbled on and off every other weekend for about a year.. Despite not actually enjoying it very much.. the grip from opiates is odd. some proper ball grabbing shit. cant imagine how soul destroying it is to try and recover from being a full blown addict to it. overrated bollocks. i found myself craving it even tho i dont really enjoy it. Even now thinking about the stuff now makes me want it & ive not properly touched it for years. i did enjoy the stimulating part before the nods, but not a fan of nodding at all. Mixed with booze and opis can seem golden.. but apart from that my body doesnt seem to agree with it

Blankety trippy euphoria.. gimmi ketamine. blows the tits off everything. wipes the floor with opiates imo
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This.

If only we all realised that in time or were never put in a situation where that wasn't the obvious call.
 
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Well I don't like disclosing details properly on here but I know for a fact it's from a trusted supplier that will be sent to me if you get my gist. I have scales however they only read in .1g, so say I weighed out 0.1 on my digital scales you still think I'm at risk?
 
Given scales have exponential degrees of shonkiness as they get ever closer to life and death and your claim to having "zero background with opioids" I would say you are very much at risk. It genuinely does not get any riskier. You are in the top 1% or the 1% of people at risk of just dropping dead.

If I may enquire, what made you choose to leap from zero opioid experience to "fukkit #4 heroin it is"?

Sory if that sound crass but i have a quarter century of opioid addicton behind me and (somewhat unexpectedly even for me admittedly) switched from heavy drinking to acute psychedelia just but moments ago so blame any of a number of substaces. None of which could kill me in a heartbeat due to self-confessed lack of experience with opioids of any form.
 
Shit from what you're saying it sounds like I should be starting on a weaker form? I kinda just had a strange possibly idiotic urge to get some in. My scales are not the best so I guess that could be risky too, surely if i literally start with the smallest amount possible i'd be ok?

Maybe I've gone into this too wishy washy and haven't thought about the risks of jumping into such a thing, #4 heroin was the only type available so I just assumed thats the standard type which clearly I've misinterpreted.

So by what you're saying I'm just toiling with death regardless of how little I take? I'm prepared to research snorting #4 heroin on sites like erwoid and that before taking it when it comes.
 
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