violence in cronulla - a recreation of... (MERGED)

[Chronik Fatigue]

Obviously, the concept of humour is lost on you 8)

 

[keystroke]

the concept of humour was lost on me when you made the following comments about banga's daughter living and attending school where the shootings have occurred:

^^ I hope she gets shot you cunt

which was smartly alongside;

Yes. That's right. You're a genius.

I hope Sydney burns to the ground.

 

[Chronik Fatigue]

Yeah, as i said, sydney needs to be nuked.

 

[Chronik Fatigue]

And while we're cross posting from other forums lets just look at what banga actually said...

fucken oath cobber!

yeah it's about time us anglos fucked over the muslim scum. they fucked us up the arse with racially motivated rapes....they fucked us with their gang violence....then they tried to fuck us all over with their terrorist activities before they were busted by the cops.

enough is enough.

it's time to fuck over these scumbags and give australia back to the aussies.

Its not his daughter i hope gets shot, its him.

 

[Adikkal]

Four months for holding a tree branch?

Ummmm 1st of all how did they know he was involved in the riots? Second of all, is there any proof he actually hit anyone with that branch? Third of all, does that mean playing cricket on the beach will be outlawed because a cricket bat can be a weapon?

The article is VERY sparse on details - provide a link please Chronik Fatigue.

That sort of shit is what worries me.... 4 months for holding a tree branch? What the fuck!?! If the cops have the power to do that then am I wrong to feel a little worried for the future possibilities of such powers.....?

PS: Chronik... uh huh... yes, it makes sense to target all muslims because of the actions of a few. You are a genius.

Adikkal

 

[Chronik Fatigue]

I'm really, really glad that within 50 years people like banga and keystroke will be minorities in this country and all the talk of "australian's" fighting back, will be meaningless drivel because the majority of australian's will be of either asian or middle eastern extraction... Roll on the demographic juggernaut!

 

[Chronik Fatigue]

Adikkal- check the age, or the AAP website. You're right it is a serious worry, but i must admit to a sense of schadenfreude that this prick got 4 months gaol

 

[hoptis]

First person jailed over riots
From: AAP
December 14, 2005

A NEW South Wales court has jailed the first person in relation to unrest in Sydney following the race riot at Cronulla beach, Premier Morris Iemma said today.

The man was arrested in Penrith, in Sydney's west, about 2am (AEDT) on Monday, armed with a tree branch, police said.

A Sydney court yesterday sentenced him to four months in jail for possessing an offensive implement in a public place.

NSW Premier Morris Iemma today said police were satisfied with the prison term.

"Advice from police is they are very satisfied with the sentence that's been handed down (for) a summary offence," Mr Iemma said.

"Swift justice brought before the courts and four months' jail for, on my advice (what) was a tree branch, nevertheless an implement."

NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said the sentence sent a strong message to the community.

"The message that must be going out to people now is that if you go to this type of event and you enjoy a boozy Sunday afternoon and you ... go somewhere else and the police catch you, you may well pay with the loss of four months of liberty," Mr Scipione said "Now if that's not a strong message I don't know what is."

From News.com.au

 

[rock]

Sydney is starting to become the pavement to hell. All this hate is fucking us over. Funny how this shit has already happened tho. The Greeks got fucked up, the got to ahead in their free loving to give a fuck about the slaves that supported their system, Egyptians got fucked over by their slaves.

These lebs (migrants), they are the fuel for our way of living, they are at the markets with our fresh vegies, they are the ones fixing our cars, they are the ones building our houses. whilst trying to live they have become the slaves to our way of living.

You think this will drop the the prices of homes? Is this the spark that will set us back? This will by far take us all back in our standard of living. I'm fucking thinking about walking down the street, and I have to way up, do I go it alone. This is bull shit. Going out is getting fucked up. I dont think my children should live in this type of future.

This no doubt was going to happen. Will it continue to happen ? Its easy to look up and say "Well i think I'll bring the roof to me" then it is to clime that mother fucking ladder. its a long ladder and when your at the top you are in a state of fear to look down and give someone else a hand up knowing you have to go down or stop going up to help them get up. Fear has got us by the balls and it will control us.

Revenge is a motherfucker a sweet jealous motherfucker.

 

[preacha]

Yeah, well that shit doesn't tend to happen in melbourne, maybe because we aren't such a racist community and have learnt to coexist with our ethnic communities... Minus the arson attack and the shooting i'm sure anybody who has immigrated to Australia from anything other than an anglo-saxon background has suffered the same indignities. But i suppose there's no-one on 2UE to whip people into a frenzy over that so you would never know.

guess you havent been to springvale or dandenong lately have you?

 

[Hater]

to all those who think lebanese or people of middle eastern dissent are not australians and that we should all stick together to "protect" our beaches from these people you sound like a bunch of fucking NAZI'S

firstly its not your country and even if your a first fleet descendant your claim to being "australian" is based on the fact that your forefathers practically wiped out the native population and then tried to assimilate them the only people who can claim to be the original occupants of this country are aboriginals

secondly the idea to fight fire with fire is the stupidest thing human beings ever thought up if you really think bashing a bunch of lebs is going to scare them think again lebs are some of the most passionate fighters i have ever met alongside italians they are not people you want to even try and aggravate they hold grudges and retaliate quickly and violently

now iv hung round a lot of the "violent suburbs" (never been to cronulla though) and if u think lebs are the only ones going around bashing random "white people" you must live in one of those prissy suburbs full of ponces who have no idea what goes on at street level at night

ever noticed how quickly lebs italians and asians can gather a small army to defend or attack people so quickly this is because they find it easier to bond and have large interconnected family groups which most white aussies do not
im sure if u could call up 20-30 people everytime somebody pissed you off i bet you would

heirin lies one of the dumbest things you could possibly do to a group like this organise on mass in protest and then bash a few innocent bystanders to prove a point what was your point you wanted this to stop good point look what you've done i dont see this stopping soon i see it getting worse and im not happy about it

oh and i'd like to mention at this point iv been bashed by 4 older lebs once and my mates got bashed by a group of 20 while i was inside a shop so its not like i dont want to get revenge and fly kick the shit out of a few of em i just know thats likely to get me fucked up in a bad way and i have connections but alot can happen in the 5-15 mins it takes them to get to me

oh and for anybody who thinks what happened on sunday was the best thing that could happen join the nazi party and shave your head u racist bastards...

 

[Psychocibe]

Just thought I'd say as I have been following this very closely (especially with my police scanner ) that the media is as per usual appropriating what is really going on and fueling the idea this is mainly a racial issue. This is more cultural than racial. Yes there are a few soft heads who are doing the wrong thing and not discerning who the dickheads are. Who are the dickheads? Well it's young disrespectful idiots who go under the banner of a country their parents left (with good reason). This isn't about being brown or white, this is about disconnecting and disrespecting the society in which u live. Segregation isn't a symptom so much of government or policy but a symptom of people who refuse to assymilate. Generally wider australia does give people a fair go, it isn't always easy, but generally people will accept you if you show respect and due identity to the nation in which you live. A true Australian calls themselves Australian, disrespective of their origins. All these young leb dickheads call themselves lebs and just refuse to identify with this nation. All I can say is to those fuckwits with their cedar tree tatoos and pseudo islamic ideals which is just a political cover for their actions. Look at them, they hide behind their community leaders then they hide behind the police.

As for the government...political correctness has been shown for what it is..complicit idiocy, scape goating and gutless diplomatics. The cronulla crowd do have a point: why didn't the police do what they are meant to and make examples of these dickheads?!?!

This issue is strife with hypocrisy. The cronulla crowd are labelled as "racist rioters" but the lebs actions are just "retaliation".....how is that even handed? Racism isn't just a crime white people can commit. If anything there is racism on both sides and this should be addressed.

I feel sorry for other wogs who may have suffered the symptoms of "death by assosciation". I am one of them (as I am of turkish decent, yet a happy and content australian who has assymilated and enjoyed australian culture).
The cronulla movement is doing all it can to stop clear line discrimination and go after what is the real problem....shithead gangster lebs! It really is that simple.

I encourage everyone to have a closer look at what is going on on both sides and address the hypocrisies of the media and government.

Peace Out

 

[Pleonastic]

^^^^
That's a really, really good post.

 

[eggman]

well, while you side with "the lebs" as you put it so nicely, when the churches are burning down, the children singing christmas carols are being shot at, girls are being threatened with rape for dressing in board shorts, 12 year olds are being spat on, their parents are abused and chased out of the swimming pool areas because ethnic women want to swim in privacy and lifeguards are being bashed, you'll be a hero because you're politically correct.

..and that is the sad truth we are dealing with here people. Two tribes...

Its sad but true, coexistence is a long gone utopia that will never happen in the suburbs of Sydney.

I think this is all fucked, but in reality is just the capitulation of about 20 years of frustration. I think its great we can all debate the situation in this forum but the real part will come from staying away from the violent actions.

I know I want nothing to do with these rednecks

 

[dada]

Dont frown on the lebs who called themselves lebs. Many people call themselves something arather. How many times have people asked you your 'nasho' Why? just so you can attach a label to a person so you can pigeonhole them so it fits in with your narrow perspective its a problem within the society. National pride is an issue witch i dont think should be eliminated but something that needs to be addressed with in ALL communities in australia lebs africans anglos whatever. We shud look to things that unifie us and not seperated us. Global unity aswell as National unity is a culture that needs to be pushed for certain, i dont know about assimilation. Maybe something that all parties can agree on and make comprimises on.

 

[dada]

Youths in all comunities should be educated to be individual instead of a sheep to a misguided herd.

 

[Rubber_Duck]

I live in the northern suburbs of Perth, today I got a text msg to meet up at Mulliloo beach on Sunday to get drunk and go on an Arab rampage, I live couple streets away from it. I have just finished watching the news which has now advertised to the whole of Perth that there is going to be a meetup there!

There is a real part me that wants to go, because I like going to the beach and it so happens that the majority of the Rich Arabs hang out there.

The problem I have is that im originally from Portugal and hence I have olive skin, don’t want anyone turning on me. Hehe Meh!

It will be interesting …..to see what happens……because nothing ever happens up this end of Perth!

 

[THR!]

^^ You want to go?! What the fuck?! They are going to go on an Arab rampage and you want to go to watch? Is this for amusement?

Fuck.

 

[Psychocibe]

^^^ the problem with life is it's too easy to take seriously. Sure let people watch, life is entertaining in all it's myriad forms.

So continues the cosmic joke and so continues the herding of idealistic sheep.

Peace Out

 

[katmeow]

Some more background info, from The Australian

Isolated and angry

A range of social, economic and cultural reasons lie behind the alienation of second-generation Lebanese Australians from the mainstream, report Cameron Stewart and Amanda Hodge
December 14, 2005

"FEIZ Mohamad has seen the dark side of growing up as a Lebanese Australian on the gritty streets of southwestern Sydney.

The son of Lebanese parents, Feiz felt neither Lebanese or Australian, and his personal search for identity saw him collide with drink, drugs and trouble. "As a teenager I got a bit nasty, a lot of drugs, a lot of evil stuff," he says. "I actually feared death or imprisonment, because that was the next stage in my life." He took up boxing to defend himself, but ultimately found his lost soul by embracing a conservative stream of Islam.

Feiz became a sheik and set up the Global Islamic Youth Centre at Liverpool in Sydney's south. He pitched hardline and often controversial sermons to woo disgruntled street kids like himself and now enjoys a cult-like following among Lebanese Muslims in Sydney's southwest. Sadly for Feiz, too few of his fellow second-generation Lebanese-Australians have found inner peace through religion. Rather, many have become entrenched, if not trapped, in a culture of street gangs where violence, criminality and aggressive machoism are worn as badges of honour. The violent riots of recent days will only serve to increase the sense of isolation felt by this community.

How have Australian-born Lebanese found themselves in this predicament, which is so at odds with the success stories of second-generation immigrants from other countries? "The Lebanese have been left behind compared with other groups such as the Chinese, Vietnamese, Greeks and Jews," says James Jupp, director of the Centre for Immigration & Multicultural Studies at the Australian National University. "Their level of education and therefore their level of employment and employability are lower than average ... they are still in the classical ghetto situation. So there is a lot of resentment there: they haven't done terribly well and they feel that they are not being treated like Australians and that they are being picked on." Similar themes of alienation - a sense of being left behind - have triggered clashes involving Muslim minorities overseas, notably the recent Paris riots. This sense of "us and them" has been sharpened in recent years by the publicity given to brutal gang rapes committed by Lebanese youths and concerns about home-grown terrorism, which have generated a backlash against the community.

University of Sydney sociology professor Michael Humphrey, who has studied Australia's Lebanese commmunity, says their troubles can be traced back to Lebanon's civil war, when a new wave of migrants poured into Australia, looking for asylum and a better life. More than 20,000 Lebanese migrants arrived in Australia over a two-year period in the late 1970s: an immigration wave that coincided with a dramatic downturn in Australia's manufacturing industry. The job market they would have relied upon to build a new life in Australia simply wasn't there, Humphrey says.

By the late '80s and early '90s, unemployment rates in the Lebanese community, based mainly in southern Sydney and Melbourne, were up to five times higher than the national average. "There's a social path to this that has created a marginal second generation," Humphrey says. "We have an out-of-control teenage group. I wouldn't like to say material conditions equals bad behaviour, but it no doubt contributes."

Humphrey says world events have also contributed to the progressive stigmatising and alienation of the Lebanese community. "We have had this increasing association between international events and violence and the devaluation of [the Lebanese community's] status. "September 11, the Bali and London bombings particularly and the way our government focused on the politics of fear around security heightened the fear we were hosting dangerous people within. I'm not saying you can reduce events in Cronulla to this, but it's a focus for a whole kind of cooking of a sense of anxiety and uncertainty."

Experts say that some Lebanese attitudes - including the attitude towards women - have also contributed to their failure to integrate more fully with mainstream Australia.
Humphrey says that his experience interviewing Lebanese families led him to conclude that many have a "preoccupation" with what they believe to be the promiscuity of Australian women. "There's a fantasy about Western sexuality," he says.

The ANU's Jupp agrees. "There is no doubt some of these young Lebanese guys have an aggressive attitude towards women," he says. "They get this from their parents: women in the Middle East are often seen as sisters, mothers or whores. "The daughters are very tightly controlled but the blokes do what they like. When they see girls on the beach walking around virtually naked, they get very excited about it."

Michael Bitar, who plays a Lebanese hothead in the SBS television comedy Pizza, is unnerved by how closely life is now imitating art. The actor from Marrickville, in Sydney's inner west, says the gang violence and racial drama in the city's southern and western suburbs in recent days reminded him of Pizza. "After I did Pizza, I had people come up to me saying I was a disgrace to the Lebanese community, and I would just say: 'Fix up what's going on on the streets first, rather than worry about what's happening on Pizza'," he says. "What happened on Pizza, it's like people are trying to do it in reality."

Fadi Rahman, a Muslim youth spokesman and president of the Islamic Centre for Research, says the disaffected core of Muslim Lebanese youth in western Sydney is caught in the classic social trap of high unemployment and low education. "These kids have got plenty of time on their hands and end up in large groups, feeling victimised," he says. "Unfortunately their parents are not highly skilled and educated and aren't aware of what the kids are up to. The parents can't relate to their children and they don't understand society and how it operates. It's easy for a young man to get away with lying his way through."

Rahman believes many young Lebanese are taking their cultural cues not from Australian or Islamic culture but from African-American rap culture. "You see hotted up cars, big jewellery, the toughness, the talking and haircuts. If you speak to any of these kids, they're into rap and all sorts of things coming from black American society. "They're relating to being victimised just like the black Americans. Once you provide a person with such a mechanism, they're always on the attack. They think they're being victimised and that justifies why they get into trouble."

Amir Butler, co-convener of the Australian Muslim Civil Rights Advocacy Network, agrees that the Lebanese gang culture does not have a religious base. "The subculture which has developed here owes more to American rap gangsta culture - the music they listen to, the way they dress - more than anything Islamic or Arabic." However there is little doubt that many Lebanese, Muslim as well as Christian, feel angered and alienated by the sometimes hostile community backlash over terrorism. "Terrorism gives a much sharper edge to this whole issue on both sides," says Jupp.

"The Lebanese see themselves as being picked on. On the other side they are seen as much more foreign." Humphrey says the division between working class western Sydney and affluent coastal Sydney is a historic social fracture and is not confined to antagonism between Lebanese and Anglo-Australians. However, he acknowledges that young Lebanese men causing problems on the beach is not a recent phenomenon. He recalls that more than a decade ago "young Lebanese used to go down with a Lebanese flag and run down Bondi Beach, kicking sand in people's eyes". He adds: "It was boys behaving badly."

University of Western Sydney academic Scott Poynting, an expert on Lebanese culture and co-author of Kebabs, Kids, Cops and Crime, says the stereotype of a misogynistic, violent Lebanese youth is misplaced and the so-called gang element is no different from what would be encountered in any Australian community with low socioeconomic status. He says people tend to be more frightened of "boisterous, noisy" Lebanese youths because they look different.

The media also deserves some blame for unwittingly assisting the perception of alienation among Lebanese youths, says University of Sydney academic Catharine Lumby. "There is a sense that when the media talks about 'we Australians', there is an assumed Anglo-centric perspective. The media often talk about men of Middle Eastern appearance as if that group were not Australians, yet many were born in Australia. From their perspective, this can only perpetuate alienation."

Humphrey says low educational levels are an issue among young Lebanese in western Sydney, partly because of poorly resourced public schools in those regions. Jupp says the low education levels also partly reflect parental attitudes, with some Lebanese immigrants not attaching a great deal of importance to formal education. However, obtaining an accurate snapshot of Sydney's troubled Lebanese community is problematic, because of a lack of research and the absence of statistics that might offer clearer answers. According to the 2001 census, there are 142,000 Arabic speakers in Sydney, which includes the Lebanese; yet there is little specific information available on the demographics of second-generation Lebanese.

One thing, however, is clear: this week's riots will only heighten the sense of social isolation felt by Australians of Lebanese origin. The images from Lakemba this week - of Lebanese youth lying face down on the street, their hands behind their heads, with police pistols pointed at their heads - will be hard to shake. "It was like downtown Los Angeles," says Fadi Rahman. "These kids will be wondering why they didn't see similar scenes in Cronulla on Sunday. What it triggers in their minds is injustice."