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nezo v2.0 said:
fuck. I tried not to get involved with this but I just can't help myself. where to start , where to start....

As a person of 'ethnic' extraction, I felt an enormous pang of sadness when I watched the events which have unfolded over the last couple of days. A big part of me raged at the mob who rampaged through Cronulla whilst an even bigger part dismayed at the loss of what I thought was 'my Australia'. No longer did I have the privledge of watching the racially fueled riots in America, Britian, France whilst sitting back in my lounge rooms being thankful that it wasn't in our country. No longer could I smugly say "only in America" when I read about young women being attacked by groups of men. Looking back, I realised that I was naive to think that we, as a country, were immune to such acts of madness. I've come to conclusion, that at the core of every man, women and child, we are (for want of a better word), racist. Everyone, irrespective of colour, creed, nationality or religion.

I believe it's human nature to associate best with those that we relate to - and as visual creatures, we relate best those people who look like us, have the same features, the same coloured skin. At the most basic level, we're just 5 - 6 massive tribes mashed together. Tribes, which after hundreds of years of social engineering, have learnt to live together. However, once you strip away all that social conditioning, all you're left with is one tribe vs another. Tribal warfare. That's what we saw on Sunday. One tribe defending it's territory from another. And dare I say it - with justifcation. :o

I'm not going to sit up here on my high horse and tell KS, OC et al that they're racists. I wasn't there. I haven't been abused just because I'm 'aussi'. I haven't been bashed by gangs of 'lebs' or rolled for my wallet and phone by a gang of 'lebs'. I haven't had to worry about my kid's safety when they're going to the beach. We need to stop sticking your head in the sand and stop pretending that the events on sunday were not without provocation. It's easy to judge when you haven't walked a mile in their shoes. So I won't call them racists. I just don't understand where they are coming from. Having said that, I deplore the acts of violence again innocents based on their skin colour.

The word 'assimilate' however, does upset me. What exactly do we mean by this in the context of multiculturalism? Are ethnic cultures in australia assimilated when they all drink VB, watch footy or cricket, speak english and like to have a surf? Fuck, how boring would that be. I suspect that our pollies and the media throw this word around when they really mean that we should all be 'white'. "The Lebanise community should assimilate into the australian culture" Don't you really mean to say "the lebanise community should look white, talk white and act white"? Cause thats the tone I'm getting. Ethnic cultures shouldn't have to 'assimilate' at all. We should all celebrate our differences. Every culture has a richness and colour which shouldn't be sacrficed. As I see it, multiculturalism the exact opposite of assimilation. Am I so naive however, to think that different cultures are completlely compatible with each other? I don't think that's that case at all. So really, instead of demanding other cultures and ethnicities to assimilate, we just ask other cultures to respect our culture, and we will respect theirs.

Finally - multiculturalism. I've seen a lot of comment here, there, everywhere about the multiculturalism experiment and how it has failed. How it's all to blame for our racial problems. I've thought about this a lot and I've come to the conclusion that yes, multiculturalism has been less than successful. But how do we measure the success of multiculturalism? When do we get to the point where we say "yep. We're finished. Multiculturalism is a success". Do we compare ourselves against racially divided countries like the USA or do we hold up country like Japan (which has little to no immigration) as the yardstick? I don't think you can compare or measure. There is no end game, no destination. Just something which needs a lot of hard work and effort and along the way, you're going to have some wins and loses. Multiculturalsim is something which doens't come easy but I don't think we should give up on it.

So that's it. I'm out. No more food for thought. This could be most I have rambled on about in BL. Thanks for listening. Apologies if I've offended anyone cause I've meant none.

that's a brilliant post.

i'm not going to write anything in response to the stuff here, because it just makes me far too angry, and far too sad. but reading stuff like that is really heartening.
 
Everyones asking what was the reason for the Lifeguards getting bashed... well heres the 3 ive heard from many people...

1.The Lifeguards yelled out to Lebs swimmin out of flags .. ( get the fuck in the flags you dumb lebs wogs). If this did happen then i understand the Lebonese peoples anger.

2.A lifeguard told a muslem women not to go into surf with her clothes on as she may drown so she removed it and the womens husband went nuts,so other lebs got involved. - if this happened then i can understand

3.The Lebs were actually leaving the beach to head home .. and to feel like big men they decided to punch someone in the head as they were leaving. This is not acceptable...

which sounds right to you ??????





Are there any people of Lebonese background that would like to say what they heard what started this ??? alot of people are going to get hurt or die.... and the odds are against the Lebonese people ..

The Greeks,asians,Serbs,Turks and even the Aboriginies are being targeted and they had nothing to do with cronulla. Many things yelled that day at Cronulla was from Alcohol and drugs on part of the Aussies side, and made people who are Greek,asian etc to stay inside their homes in fear.

It's funny how only recently Australia socceroos kicked Uruguays ass and scored Australia the biggest win ever for our team and sending us to Germany in 2006.I can remember seeing on the news and televison the people of Arabic origin and also of other nationalities waving the Aussie flag shouting aussie aussie aussie.. and saying that that are proud to be australian,and also hugging each other in joy.Maybe everyone should sit back and remember that !!!!!!

Peace.....

K!NGP!N
 
no cowardice here, bitch...

electreauxbella said:
Gee, I wonder who's pseudo this could be :\

Why not just post under your real identity? Oh wait, you are too much of a Coward for that 8(

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eggman88888 said:
Sorry, one more thing...

those ripping into KEYSTROKE may want to pull their head in a bit. He isnt supporting thuggery, racism or violence and he most certainly isnt conducting incitement via telecommunications as some legal illiterate posted.

Keystroke is giving a little social commentary from the mind of someone that actualy lives in this environment. Those of you that are mis interpreting are really just embarrasing yourselves.


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keystroke said:
yes, poor Robert. he didn't mean to commit serious crimes, where was his family when he was doing these crimes? it wasn't the governments fault he decided to take up a smack addiction and go and commit crimes that would almost always see you deported.

they should of sent him to France, not Serbia though.

its not his families fault either.

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keystroke said:
SYDNEY (Reuters) - More than 450 policemen, four times the usual number, will patrol Sydney's streets on Tuesday to prevent a third night of racial violence by youth gangs who have attacked people, smashed cars and hurled rocks at police.

Officials also said the state parliament of New South Wales (NSW) was being called into emergency session on Thursday to give police special powers to "lockdown" parts of Sydney, Australia's biggest city, to stop the unrest.

Police will also be allowed to ban consumption of alcohol in areas of unrest by shutting down licensed premises and prohibiting anyone from carrying liquor.

The move comes after gangs of youths, mainly of Middle Eastern background, attacked several people with baseball bats, vandalised cars and were involved in rock-throwing skirmishes with police for a second night on Monday, officials said.

Police also said they found 30 Molotov cocktails and crates of rocks stockpiled on rooftops, as hundreds of local surfers gathered at Maroubra Beach.

Sydney's Catholic Archbishop George Pell said bullets were fired at a school staging Christmas carols in Sydney's west on Monday night.

"These criminals have declared war on our society and we are not going to let them win," said NSW premier Morris Iemma.

"You will not take control of our streets," he said while announcing the special police powers similar to those for security during the Sydney 2000 Olympics.

The state government will also increase the jail term for rioting from five to 15 years and double the penalty for affray, fighting in public, to 10 years.

Racial violence erupted at Sydney's Cronulla Beach on Sunday when some 5,000 people, some yelling racist chants, attacked youths of Middle Eastern background.

Drunk mobs of youths, some wrapped in Australian flags, said they were defending their beach after lifesavers were attacked. They believe the attackers were of Lebanese background. Continued ...



http://today.reuters.com/News/newsA...01_SPI301866_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUSTRALIA-BEACH.xml


yep, i believe everything i see and hear in the media. oh god.
 
keystroke said:
nothing I've said in this thread could be interpreted as incitement via telecommunication, I've never said that innocent people deserve to be hurt. I have said from the start that the guilty ethnic thugs that have rampaged the Shire for the past 10 years have no reason to complain now if they cop a flogging.

sounds very much like justification to me.
 
eggman88888 said:
those ripping into KEYSTROKE may want to pull their head in a bit. He isnt supporting thuggery, racism or violence and he most certainly isnt conducting incitement via telecommunications as some legal illiterate posted.

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keystroke said:
the only thing wrong with the violence against middle easterners is that some innocent people will be hurt, but by now if they still hang around, they've had plenty of warnings.

Link to keystroke's original post
 
what is wrong with the second quote?

Its the god fuckin damn truth

Keysar Trad came out last thursday i think it was and said...

There is an easy way to solve the issue on sunday.. and it was for Anyone of Middle Eastern appearance to not go down to Cronulla.

And im sure he wasnt the only one from the middle eastern/muslim/lebenese community that also said it!

If some people did listen, they wouldnt of been attacked, innocent or whatever!
 
NEWSFLASH

Nobody cares about these personal attacks anymore. Shut the fuck up! What are you trying to prove? The posts all of you guys have made speak for themselves - you don't need to nit pick each other's words anymore. It's getting really really boring.
 
chugs said:
sometimes i think your fucking troll, just one with 13,000 posts.

How can you justify the violence of 5,000 against two people?.....no matter what they've done there is no FUCKING EXCUSE FOR MOB VIOLENCE.

Keystroke IS a troll. Just use the ignore button. If everyone did it, it would be like he wasn't even a member of BL, and think how lovely that would be! Or at least how much less time we'd waste banging our heads against the wall in threads like this one and the Van Nguyen thread.

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I have been working insane hours lately so the first I really heard of this was yesterday's news. This is a fucking travesty. Clearly there is wrong on both sides but such intense racial hatred being directed so arbitrarily is truly chilling. The people involved should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Nezo... nice post :)

Pleonastic said:
NEWSFLASH

Nobody cares about these personal attacks anymore. Shut the fuck up! What are you trying to prove? The posts all of you guys have made speak for themselves - you don't need to nit pick each other's words anymore. It's getting really really boring.


Thanks pleo.

I will start warning people if the personal attacks continue.

Another news flash... you will not change someone's mind by adding "you racist fuck etc etc" onto the end of your argument. Now, how about instead of picking at each other, maybe someone could offer some constructive debate on how we can move forward from here as I think it is already well established that the violence from both sides is unwarranted.
 
I really think that this is a very concerning trend that is occurring at a global level through several western countries cities. This new age of terrorism has let governments implement policies based on fear. By doing so governments have been able to strip civil liberties under the guise of being hard on terrorism.

I think it is also lowering tolerance especially towards those of Middle Eastern descent and of those who practice the Muslim religion. This in turn leads to minority ethnic groups feeling more vulnerable. The sum of which seems to cause some racial tension.

I think the populace has forgotten how hard won these civil liberties were in the first place and now we seem to be handing them quietly back on a platter. Give an inch take a mile. The new police powers to be passed in NSW parliament latter this week is a prime example of this.

I think it's important for everyone to remember that these issues are caused by a very small minority on both side of the ethnic divide. Turning on entire ethnic/religous communities will do nothing but increase the divide and make everyone’s life less pleasantl.

If you have a problem with social policy write a letter to your local MP's. They do pay attention to letters especially if they receive multiple letters on the one issue.

So next time you may fill fearful or angry look at the person not their colour or religion. This is a time we need to be calling for calm and rationale not militancy.
 
Just wanted to post this lovely email I received when I checked in over breakfast this morning. Makes a pleasant change from the penis-size and Viagra spam.

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We are the Sons and Daughters of the ANZACs.

We can not expect our treasonous Government to protect us in these
times, they are the ones that bought us to this very place. With 150,000
Arab immigrants entering our nation "legally" each year it is time
Australians stood up and were counted. For we are the Sons and Daughters
of the ANZACs, the men who protected us from invasion and threats in
years gone by. Now it is your turn, OUR turn, the guard has changed, the
times have changed, but true patriots shall NEVER be silenced!

John Coward has not protected us, not now, nor ever from this threat,
and his Cowardice has cost us greatly. I urge all my Australian brothers
and sisters to attend Cronulla and Maroubra this Sunday in a show of
strength, unity and brotherhood. For this is a fight not just for
Cronulla, not just Sydney, but for our entire nation, and not until the
cowards in the media, along with the cowards in our parliament
understand this, shall we stop our show of strength.

After rallying in Cronulla and Maroubra we will push our way through to
Lakemba and Bankstown, we will destroy the mosques in these areas and
any leb that gets in our way. We will smash their houses, smash their
shops, destroy their ghettos.

We are the Sons and Daughters of the ANZACs, the men who ran into
gunfire protecting our great land. Will you today run from biased media
coverage and Lebs with poles? Or will you stand with your brothers and
sisters THIS DAY, AND THOSE DAYS COMING and stand united in continuing
their legacy.

The coals were lit when lebs threatened to rape young children on
Cronulla beach, lifeguards stepped in to defend them and were bashed.
this has been going on for years.

John Coward disarmed the australian people, and gave arms to the
Lebanese criminals, and today you see the results.

The comoncheros and Bra Boys have as of today given official support to
gang rapists and thus must be destroyed if they interfere. They are a
group of old has-been, race traitors, junkies and lebs. Aussie Patriots
do not need their support.

Failure to fight and win will mean living under the rule of criminals
and gang rapists.

This is a real war, make no mistake. cowards WILL BE TREATED LIKE LEBS!

Bring yourself, your mates, anyone you know of fighting age and whatever
devices you see fit to defend yourself and your country.

Must our people live in fear in our own country by people who dont
belong here, who would rather disgrace our country than embrace it.

The media will try and shame us, calling us "nazis" or "racist" and
other things. FUCK THE MEDIA, you should all know by now the media have
no shame, they lie and manipulate the Australian people on a daily basis
while defending these Lebanese scum and giving a voice to their slimey
"leaders/terrorists". Even whle the lebs bash their camera crews!

Stand up and fight for what's right while you still can, none of us
voted for multiculturalism, and none of us have to accept it either. The
media and politicians say we are a "tolerant" society with cultures from
all over, but we all know thats absolute bullshit, every man on the
street knows its bullshit yet they persist with this failed ideology.

We don't want them, we don't need them and we won't have them forced on
us in our country anymore. this is AUSTRALIA, politicians don't own this
country WE DO.

Australia was founded on christian values, that is why we are a
successful, peaceful nation. but now that the government has imported
scum against our will, the cracks are starting to appear and our country
is going to shit.

Morris Iemma the EN-ELECTED "premier" of NSW is going soft on the lebs
because this scumbag is the son of lebanese immigrants himself! and the
member for LAKEMBA!!!! sydneys biggest arab suburb and home of the
terrorist training camp aka mosque!

DON'T BE A DOOR MAT!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
FIGHT LIKE AN ANZAC OR DIE LIKE A COWARD.

YOU HOLD THE POWER OF CHANGE! DON'T COWER TO IEMMA OR MORONY AND THEIR WEAK ANTI-AUSTRALIAN, ANTI-WHITE THREATS!

AUSSIE PRIDE!

No need to read the whole thing, just have to scan a few paragraphs to appreciate the irony of this. You'd think someone who cares so deeply and profoundly about Australian "culture" would have put a bit more effort into evolving his English language skills beyond those of a twelve year-old child.

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^ It's extremist enough for most sensible people to totally disregard it for what it is.

The cockroaches of society really are coming out to play...
 
It makes me feel sick to the stomach reading that :\

Do people honestly want to start some kind of war in this country? I ask again... what the fuck will more violence prove?
 
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