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One last thing [edit - 1234.]

Just take this entire matter logically.

Mob justices isn't going get the people who bashed the life-savers, it isn't going to stop "lebs" from dissing your women and your flag. If anything it's going to get more lifesavers bashed and more women raped.

All it's going to do is incite them to more violence.

Instead why don't you just let the cops do your bidding. Most of them are on your side in the first place and see violence as a mechanism to solving problems. The cops are still more then happy to root out the bad apples and apply good ole fashioned Roger Rogerson justices.

Best of all they take the brunt of the revenge attacks.

The most logical, best thing you can do is apply the political preasure, send letters to your polly, right strong words on websites, get good jobs, make money and get the leaders you want in power. Become a corrupt judge and help those crooked cops who kill your enemy out of jail.

Don't resort to violence because at the end of the day your just going to put yourself at risk (and your love ones) and truly is your mum, sister, Grandma, Unkle worth being killed just for you to prove that those "dirty dog cunts" should be sent back to their "country"?

where is your sense of self-interest and preservation???

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keystroke said:
as I have said earlier, it's unfortunate that innocent bystanders get caught up in this but by now they have had enough warnings to stay away from the troubled areas and I believe that these ethnic gangs get what they fucking well deserve - that is an absolute hiding by a bunch of people that have had to endure years of relentless abuse and torture.


(and why is it that everyone has to bring Van Nugget into this thread? he brought the trouble onto himself, the poor lifeguards at cronulla did nothing wrong, they didn't bring any trouble to themselves other than save a poor girl that couldn't swim, Van Nugget deserved the death penalty because he accepted that as his punishment when he entered singapore, *edit* not necessary)

i don't see what your point is anymore because you contradict yourself so much.
you keep going on about warnings to stay away. why should people have to stay away because they are of the same ethnic background as the gang members, because that's what you've said a few times now?

"the poor lifeguards at cronulla did nothing wrong". no they didn't, and it's fucked up what was done to them, but how is it any different than what happened on sunday to the innocent people of ethnic backgrounds who had every right to be where they were without fear of being attacked, just like the residents of cronulla?
 
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chugs said:
The reports i read is that the arabs were playing soccer on the beach - they were told to stop - (who knows with what language and tone) and the arabs got offended and began to whale on them.

Yes, it's more than likely that a couple of 15 yr old boys verbally attacked a group of 20+ rowdy young men for simply playing soccer on the beach. Even if that was the case, what gave this mob the right to assaut them to the point of hospitalization? What about that peice of mob violence? Or doesn't it count unless the "mob" responsible for the violence is white?

chugs said:
Again if this was a white group bashing the lifesavers NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

Again, you have no concept of what's been happeneing at that beach for YEARS now, do you...?
 
Zero the hero said:
Always an excuse isn't there, BOO FUCKIN' HOO HOO... Plenty of people have had hard lives and don't go around behaving like dick heads. Why can't people see that this is a problem involving BOTH SIDES. Lebbo's have no more of an excuse to behave like thugs than white Australians do, and vice versa, period.

What do you mean, i've been robbed several times by white people who have had hard lives - they behaved like dicks yet do you see me starting a fucking riot over it?

i've been harrsed by so many white people it's not funny. I've seen "my women" being dissed by white yobs that it makes me want to smash their heads into the pavement. Do i start a riot.

Can't you see that YOU and the LEBS are one and the same.

Your no different. You swear the same, you diss women the same way (and i hear you wankers at parties, talking about cunts & pussy like your it's some sort of football match), dissing women, starting brawls, destroying public property.

I often sit there (as i have had many of drink with a arab and whitey, seperately) and have realised that apart from the skin colour and the music you listen to there is essentially no difference.

Where is yoda and the CAVE - where luke discovers that Vader and him are one and the same - when you need it
 
Zero the hero said:
The people who live in this area also have the right to feel safe anywhere in Australia, especially in their own community, that's not been possible in that area for a number of years now because of these thugs, people finally got sick of it and this is what happened, right or wrong can't you see WHY it happened?

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Ahh, I see, so we shouldn't look at the reasons as to why it happened because we might not like what we see, what a fuckin' cop out. I'm not trying to "justify" what happened because I said I wasn't, period, if I was I'd say it, so don't tell me what I do and do not mean, when I say something, I mean it. Got it? I guess it's easy to say that because I disagree with you I'm "justifying" what happened, what a joke, god, I'm such a racist...8)

Well ok then. You think this happened because for a number of years thugs were roaming the streets. Finally the "community" got sick of it and took it out on a bunch of innocent people.

Yes I see "why" it happened but I see different reasons. I see a bunch of racists using alchohol and mob mentality to push their political agenda. I see them manipulating a bunch of people with generalisations and racist slogans in to attacking innocent people.

But the reason I say you're trying to justify it is that you make such a narrow interpretation of the events leading up to yesterday you're clearly telling the story with an agenda. Also because of your comments in the same thread in the "Current Events & Politics" forum.
 
chugs said:
you diss women the same way (and i hear you wankers at parties, talking about cunts & pussy like your it's some sort of football match), dissing women, starting brawls, destroying public property.


Now who is generalizing? Get a grip.
 
Doodle said:
Everybody else in the country seemed to know that there going to be people looking for trouble come Sunday at Cronulla beach. Why the hell didn't the authorities handle this better?

i believe, unlike some other posters, that it actually does have something to do with resources, or more specifically not wanting to pay police wages. it disgusted me to see many police officers idly standing by, stepping in at the last moment so to speak. i do however applaud the handful of police that intervened in the train station situation being seriously outnumbered. as one officer said, if they didn't intervene the targets probably would have been killed.

it really saddens me that the state can have riot police in force to protect globalization conferences, where the majority of protesters are the most peaceful kind of human beings you will find, and yet a nationalist parade, because that's what it was, draws such a small amount of police.
 
Tristan Snort said:
What kind of stupid fuckwit would go to Cronulla on the weekend when they knew it was going to be populated by fuckwit bogan Australians...

where were all the warnings? i'm on the net, catch the news a fair bit and yet i had no idea it was to occur. i guess i'm a stupid fuckwit.
 
yes Schnouzer right chugs , besides no need to use stupid arguments when you can use good ones in trying try to explain your point of view tot hem .

However i do agree that racism is inherently idotic , and I understand that you get angry because of some posts (I do to because the poster doesn't even try to hide he's a racist and I feel they don't belong on bl)

I don't get the people talking about stuff that is going on for years so that it is understandable , it's an explanation but nothig more than that, there is always stuff or crime going carried out by all kinds of races (and this one seem petty minor at that, like if an arab raped and killed 20 children it would make sense that happens although its still no justification) and why the whole arab community should be targeted for crimes or that it makes sense because of crimes of people who orifginally come from the same country / global culture / religion is beyond me (or maybe even mediterrenean looking people those anti-arab mobs dont seem picky and pretty drunk )

well there is another clue maybe , i think the western governments and their media has played a certain part in these course of events too. Is it a coincidence that this kind of stuff and mentality is happening so much the years after september 11?

I think a lot of people don't realize what it's like to grow up as an arab in western in the times , makes sense if you're not an arab or really look like one.
And by saying this i am not justifying anything just trying to explain the higher crime rate , it is common with / typical for a lot of immigrant groups across the world.
 
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Well i live in the area and was there that day .... I have seen what these gangs have done in 10 years... and they arent so innocent. Im sure when most people have their mates standing behind them for back up that you would feel like god or some shit...lol

but you should see what happens when these tough Lebs are by themselves.


Another note ... Im not Racist i have many friends of different nationalities .. Greek,Italian,Asian and we get along very well,I have had 2 friends of Lebonese origins.. one was christian the other Muslem.. guess which one im still friends with... and this was all before that sept 11 twin towers shite.


Muslems arent really suppose to socialise with any non muslem this is whats drilled into them when young, its like saying to a Jewish person .. come to a Nazi dress up party.... They might go along but will always feel uncomfortable.


Police need laws like the old days where if your involved in something like whats been going on that you get the baton to the skull a few times .. and locked up... forget the caps spray shite...

heres some photos i took......
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The lebs can go to the beach any beach .. but they CANNOT act like gang banging bitches do at the beaches in florida and california in AMerica.
 
Im sure that couple that got beat up were acting like gang bangin bitches

p.s 5000 people brings the term gang banging to a whole new level imo

and no not socializing with non arabs is not whats drilled into arabs heads as you say , i can be friends with people of any religion , you go to a muslim country in general and see how the nice the people will treat you , but no you won't . You even stated that you only stayed friends with the guy who was not a muslim ? Im pretty sure there will be some christian lebanese vandalizing stuff.

yah people getting their skulls smashed with batons that would make for some interesting riots wouldn't it! Great pictures too probably , and you'll be able how awed you are by the brave people who beat up innocent people , take that evil muslims we are the good guys/ end sarcasm mode
 
Just thought I'd repost The Australian's cartoon next to the picture you took. Kinda makes a lot more sense now ;)

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mrK!NGP!N said:
Well i live in the area and was there that day .... I have seen what these gangs have done in 10 years... and they arent so innocent. Im sure when most people have their mates standing behind them for back up that you would feel like god or some shit...lol

yeah, kind of like the mob on sunday. nobody in this thread disgusted by what happened on sunday is any less disgusted by the actions of gangs, remember that.

your last pic is quite amusing, what with all the aussie flags, especially the one waved by the guy on top of an american food chain.

BingeBoy said:
well there is another clue maybe , i think the western governments and their media has played a certain part in these courts of events too. Is it a coincidence that this kind of stuff and mentality is happening so much the years after september 11?

exactly. just like the war on drugs, divide and conquer. doesn't surprise me that the prime minister says that there is no racist mentality in this country despite the fact he played the race card and won because of it two elections back, but what would you expect to come out of the mouth of a compulsive liar?
 
sydney seams fucked up. i feel sory for you all 2 have 2 put up with that sort of shit.
 
update:

Race warfare divides city
Jennifer Sexton and David King
December 13, 2005 The Australian


DISTURBING text messages promising violent retribution and "war" are being circulated to both "tribes" involved in race-based riots along Sydney's suburban beach strip.

As police promised to hunt down suspected right-wing instigators of the violent outbreaks, debate raged over the reasons behind the vicious assaults.

John Howard was forced to reject suggestions government warnings about homegrown terrorists fuelled the rampage, as academics blamed talkback radio and the influence of Pauline Hanson's One Nation.

Text messages were again stirring violence in Sydney last night, with as many as 3000 people massing outside Lakemba mosque in the city's west.

There were reports the gathering was heavily divided on whether to take revenge for weekend bashings of people of Middle Eastern descent in the southern suburb of Cronulla, scene of Sunday's race riots. Despite the presence of dozens of police, who set up roadblocks and warned pedestrians to avoid the area, carloads of youths left the gathering, headed for Cronulla.

Police said they had confiscated "cricket bats, rocks and bits of steel" hidden in a park near the beachside suburb of Maroubra, which was hit by the first revenge attacks late on Sunday night.

Police, who set up a 24-hour command unit ready to deploy tactical units in force to any troublespot, fear both sides are preparing for a massive confrontation next Sunday, with Cronulla and Maroubra considered the most likely flashpoints.

One text message circulating yesterday in Sutherland Shire, which includes Cronulla, said: "Good work for the efort we put in at 'nulla. But the wogs came back and stabbed one of our people! ... We'll show them! It's on again Sunday."

A rival text message said: "The aussies will feel the full force of the arabs as one ... brothers in arms unite now ... let's show them who's boss ... destroy."

As white supremacist groups admitted involvement, political, religious and community leaders united in condemnation of the violence, which started when a mob of 5000 people in Cronulla turned on people of Middle Eastern descent.

Of the 14 men and two youths arrested on a total of 42 charges - including assault, affray, malicious damage and possession of a knife - 12 were from Sutherland Shire, one was from Bondi Junction and three were from southwest and western Sydney suburbs.

A further three men face charges of attempted murder after allegedly stabbing a 20-year-old man from Gymea Bay at 10.30pm on Sunday at Woolooware, near Cronulla. Last night the victim was in a stable condition.

Assistant Police Commissioner Mark Goodwin said police were aware of fresh text messages urging violence next weekend.

"Let me give you assurance that risk assessments are being conducted on all intelligence we are receiving," Mr Goodwin said.

Far-Right groups accused of links to neo-Nazis have admitted mobilising more than 100 people to join the mob of drunken people on the rampage at Cronulla.

Three ultra right-wing organisations - Australia First, the Patriotic Youth League and the Newcastle-based skinhead group Blood and Honour - handed out pamphlets at the rally.

Jim Saleam, NSW secretary of Australia First, said his members had recruited up to 120 people, but he denied any involvement in violence and said his group played no part in the text message campaign. "Rather than say that one supports what people did, all I'd say to you is: I wouldn't condone it, but I wouldn't condemn it," Dr Saleam said.

The NSW Government, stunned by the ferocity of Sunday's attacks, launched measures to combat a feared escalation.

Premier Morris Iemma announced the creation of a special taskforce to hunt down suspected right-wing instigators, and raised the possibility of recalling parliament to give police more powers. "I will do whatever is needed," he told a news conference.

Police Commissioner Ken Moroney promised a review of tactics -- even the possibility of using water cannons -- to break up unruly crowds.

"We have witnessed this weekend amongst the worst violence that I have ever seen in my policing service of 40 years," Mr Moroney said. "Never in my working life did I ever imagine a mob, a drunken mob, turning on a woman, an innocent woman, who happened to stray into their path."

Ethnic politics academic James Jupp, from the Australian National University, said people in the area had seen a resurgence of nationalist, racist politics.

"People don't normally walk around with an Australian flag in their pocket," he said, adding that 10 years of talkback radio incitement in Sydney, and Cronulla's unique position as a "white ghetto", were to blame.

NSW Police Minister Carl Scully said a small number of white supremacists were involved.

"There appears to be an element of white supremacists and they really have no place in mainstream Australian society."

But while the Prime Minister, who is heading off on a trip to Asia, warned of the dangers of "tribalism", he repeatedly deflected questions of whether Sunday's violence involved racism.

"I do not accept there is underlying racism in this country," Mr Howard told journalists.

NSW Opposition Leader Peter Debnam challenged the Government to recall parliament this week to introduce tougher laws.

He claimed the Government was in denial in not realising that many communities were controlled by ethnic gangs, and called for the end of a "softly, softly approach" by police. Mr Moroney denied that his officers had taken such an approach to crowd control or that they had miscalculated the anger in Cronulla.

Fadi Rahman, who runs the Icra Youth Centre at Lidcombe, said a "racial vendetta" was at the centre of the violence and that revenge attacks would continue. "Unless something is done, this is going to turn into another Paris riot," Mr Rahman said.

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