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Very High Dose

juniorcat

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Hey, I've recently been considering 5 dried grams of magic mushrooms or a breakthrough dmt experience.

I was wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to what sort of experience high doses offer.

I'm curious of the following:

1. What is the experience like?

2. Is it possible to go into psychosis or gain any other mental health problems from taking such intense loads?

3. To those who have had high dose experiences, have they permanently effected you in a positive way?

4. Since the experience have your ego's limitations decreased?
 
An excellent set of questions! I'll try my best to share my experiences.

I have had a number of breakthrough-type experiences, albeit not on shrooms or n,n DMT, but on similar psychedelic tryptamines at high doses, (ex. 4-HO-Mipt 60mg oral + 25mg smoked at the peak). The general theme of these experiences is one of connectedness to the greater human machine, of seeing oneself within one's greater context, as a human being among billions of other human beings, as a speck on a planet, of the planet as a speck in the galaxy, etc. Thoughts generally become eternal, cosmic, and astonishing. This, combined with the sheer intensity of the visuals, which can completely defy one's regular perceptions, really does push the boundaries of one's psyche. I've felt at times worried that I may never come down, that my experiences will be forever and traumatically burned into my mind, that the assault of visuals will never subside, but these fears, to my knowledge, are unfounded. I have never had an experience linger with me for longer than a day, at least with a tryptamine, though the realizations and insights do come with into the sober world, and can really give you something to chew on.

This is why set and setting are so important. A big dose is challenging, and you'll want to be around good friends in a calm, safe environment. And I would say for certain, don't go it alone, if you come across a challenging set of ideas, it's essential that you're able to talk about them with someone you trust. I don't exactly know if it's possible to develop a psychosis with the substances you've described, but I would suggest that you make sure you've got your ducks in a row before you leave. Make sure you've built up to it, or it'll take you by surprise, big time. But, it sounds like you probably have.

As for permanent effects, not sure if this is positive or negative, but I think I am seeing differently on the back of 6 months worth of experiences. Physically seeing differently. My eyes are drawn to perfect geometric patterns, and my brain seems to want to generate geometric visuals when given a place to do it, like, say, the empty space on this page. I notice the "rainbow static" on nearly everything as well, the world seems altogether more vibrant and colorful. It's at a low level most of the time, and is never disruptive or unpleasant. I would attribute this to the possibility that the strong psychedelic visuals on these breakthrough trips have taught me "the art of seeing", so to speak.

The content of my thoughts has also shifted, well, upwards, so to speak. I now make connections to the greater cosmic context than I would have before. I see psychedelic influences everywhere, I find myself more interested in math and science, in psychology and the mind. I feel less able to tolerate stupidity, I am disgusted by television advertisements, I am more able to see when I am being manipulated. I crave the real, the true and the beautiful, and I avoid the fake and the corrupt. All of these qualities of my thinking have been accentuated by my use of psychedelics, and never more so than on the back of my breakthrough experiences.

As for limitations of the ego, yes, I would say that they have decreased. I feel now that my ego is more resilient and elastic, that I am better able to handle massive shifts of consciousness than before my breakthrough experiences. I also feel that my ego has shrunken significantly, that I'm beginning to become a more selfless, more open person, with less anxiety and paranoia.

I also used psychedelics to get off anti-depressants, and I feel much better now. My thinking is that my experiences have made me psychologically stronger, so that I no longer need the medication to get through the day.

Overall, I can't think of any major warnings to give you, or any reason why you shouldn't partake. Just make sure you're ready, and it should be a good experience. I would highly recommend the 5 dried grams over the dmt as a first breakthough experience, just because I think you would get more out of it. To my understanding, shrooms are more of a teacher, dmt is more of a mile-a-minute thrill ride. Thanks for posting, this has given me a good opportunity to reflect upon my own experiences.
 
Well, maybe. Depends on how much he weighs, and what his experience is with it. I'd say pushing to 8-10 dried grams would probably be better, though, if you're truly after a breakthrough experience.
 
Haha speaking of television advertisements, I was watching a bunch of those one time while on a low dose of LSD and it was the one of the funniest things ever. And would you say you have a mild case of HPPD that isn't unpleasant?
 
If you are looking for an ego shattering trip 5 grams may not do it, its just not a 'very high dose'. Your experience will still be really intense from 5 grams, especially if your mushrooms are potent.

I haven't gone that deep into mushrooms but i had an LSD experience that completely blew me away. I would say for a long time I struggled with what happened to me and definitely had some after effects, visually, mentally, physically, all of the above. Actually I was tripping for a few months from that one dose. But as I have grown since I feel I have really rebuilt myself from the ground up. That left a permanent mark in me and in the long run I think it has been a positive one

Haha speaking of television advertisements, I was watching a bunch of those one time while on a low dose of LSD and it was the one of the funniest things ever. And would you say you have a mild case of HPPD that isn't unpleasant?

HPPD imo is always unpleasant. Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder. If it doesn't bother you, or effect your life negatively then its not HPPD. Its not a disorder. Its maybe a positive afterglow. Maybe you like the visual artifacts in your vision. It is not HPPD though imho.
 
I've taken 5 grams of mushrooms before, but I prepared in advance for it and I was alone (as I usually prefer to be with mushrooms). It was definitely an intense experience, one that was not in my body. It was a breakthrough experience but I had to make careful preparations, like a nice warm bed to lie in, easily accessible food and water (if the inclination was there, which it wasn't), and a phone in case I needed to vent to a friend.

IMO the biggest risk of a high-dose trip going bad is the mushroom gut. Nothing ruins a trip more than feeling nauseous or having stomach cramps. I deal with mushroom gut by decocting 15g of dried licorice root with a big chunk of ginger in a pot of boiling water for a about 10-15 minutes or so. Then I remove it from the heat and pour this over the mushrooms in a closed tea pot. The licorice and ginger will protect the stomach and mitigate the aspects of the toxicity that make the digestive system complain - but I assure you, the psychedelic aspect is fully in tact.

I did not mix this trip with anything else, not even weed. At such high doses, even one toke of weed can substantially potentiate things, so I advise you to do this trip pure. If you want to smoke some weed long after the peak is gone, then that can re-activate things and be pleasant. I would also make sure that you're feeling relatively good about life, you're in a good mood with no stress, and that you approach the trip in a somewhat sacred manner. I like to do various rituals before (nothing religious or ceremonial) just to centre my mind and get me into a spiritual space. Surrounding yourself with beauty can also help. I like natural settings in the sun for this, but I know that's not possible or safe for everyone.

Just my $0.02.
 
Uh.... what mushrooms are you guys talking about? The ones I've always eaten give complete ego loss at around 5 grams, 3 grams is the most I'd do on any regular basis. Cubensis Penis Envy "strain" is only one I ever had regularly.

Most I've ever done is 6 grams, and only done that twice. I was more out of this world on that, than on 8 hits of really good acid.

As far as DMT goes, 20mg vaporized would give me breakthrough doses I'd repeat. I did 30mg once and while I'd do it again under the right circumstance, it was just too intense.

30mg of 2ce is the absolute strongest psychedelic trip I've ever gone on, but at least I was still functional. 6 grams of shrooms blisses me out and I just sit there smiling and trancing in and out.

My trip report on 27mg of 2c-t-2 is also in the trip reports forum, and that's considered a high dose as well.

I have no persisting visuals (minus very random occasional tracers in my peripherals which I chalk up to just "was always there, just never noticed before"), and have never met someone who has had HPPD after doing psychedelics for many years.

The primary concern, is your mental fortitude to prevent panicking/anxiety, and having a friend trip sitting you. High doses tend to be very unpredictable.
 
but i think 100-120mg vaporized is a great dose

Are you insane!?

Either you're not vaporizing it correctly, don't have real (or pure) DMT, or you have one hell of a tolerance.

30mg will throw someone deep into hyperspace if vaporized correctly.

As far as your mushroom experience, oh jeeze, I've only known one person that has done more than I have (off the potency I always got)... and they were lucky they didn't go to jail before I could come pick them up and babysit (running around waving a $100 bill asking for a ride at a gas station).

4 grams of the stuff I ate would have the entire room melting, and the entire floor moving in waves like the ocean.

Oh, as far as high doses of LSD if you are considering that, until you know you can handle it, definitely don't do more than 10 hits. I've seen enough people have persistent and strong reality view shift for a few weeks after getting the bright idea to do 20, until they finally went to the psych ward (psych ward always fixes them in 3 days, but still not something you want to go through).

I highly recommending building up to those doses.

I started off at .5 grams of shrooms for a month or so, then gradually moved up to 4 grams over the course of about 4 months. Found 3 grams was the sweet spot, and only went higher on really special occasions (Perseid meteor shower, or a very enjoyable time with a fellow tripper listening to music/drawing/reading poety or history books).
 
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last time I ate shrooms I ate 3 grams and tripped HARD. and im a big dude.
It all depends on the shrooms. There is one strain that I dont remember the name of but I know 5 grams of it would shatter any ego and maybe make ya go nuts for a bit.
I think people who eat 5+ grams need LOTS of experience.
I always trip plenty hard enough on 2-3 grams, almost to hard on 3. But thats just me.
 
What were the visuals like diamond? I would love to hear about the trip if u dont mind going into some detail.
 
I'm not sure what strains others are talking about, but for me 5g is a very heavy dose. 3g is standard. Strain shouldn't matter if the quality is good, although the one exception to this is cyanesens which is less visual and more body (as in, you are paralyzed for 3 hours). Either way, 5g is a lot!
 
What were the visuals like diamond? I would love to hear about the trip if u dont mind going into some detail.

So intense that I couldn't walk. The buzz was strong enough that I had to crawl anyway. Everything turned into symmetrical, geometric shapes like a huge hit of DMT, but for a solid 4 hours. I went from being content with life to being scared for my life over and over, but my thoughts were racing so fast that I couldn't concentrate or even really comprehend what was going on in my head. The auditory hallucinations were the worst part. The closest thing I can compare it to was when I snorted 300 milligrams of DPT combined with an MAOI ingested a couple hours before hand.
 
I'm not sure what strains others are talking about, but for me 5g is a very heavy dose. 3g is standard. Strain shouldn't matter if the quality is good, although the one exception to this is cyanesens which is less visual and more body (as in, you are paralyzed for 3 hours). Either way, 5g is a lot!

^This.^

I've never eaten more than 2g but I'm 5'8"/120lbs and maybe I just got excellent mushrooms? 2g gave me a ++++ trip on the Shulgin scale, and a Level 4 on the Shroomery scale: http://www.shroomery.org/6255/Trip-Reports 1.5g of the same mushrooms gave me a +++ and level 3.

I know people who have taken 5g doses of mushrooms and it's like Sockpuppet said. Some of them told me how they went into space and how they became pure energy for a period of time while tripping and they as a person/ego, ceased to exist temporarily.
 
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