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Vegetarianism vs meat eating

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I PERSONALLY think that eating copious amounts of animal flesh without accompanying greens and vegetables is quite unhealthy in the long run...one of the reasons being that aside from veggies being good for you, its enzymes also help a lot in digesting animal protein. I rarely if ever eat a nice juicy steak without a huge bowl of vegetables...I just don't feel good after.

Omnivores FTW!
 
^^^ tell me about it, and i was the one who posted! Most of the replies aren't even related to my original question.


I think my choice of thread title "veg Vs meat" was very misleading really hehehe
 
FATALITY!! Hahaha..

Anywho, it seems I have yet to spark any real discussion on what this thread is supposed to be about-- health concerns contrasting omnivorous and vegetarian diets.

Everyone seems to like to bicker about their beliefs on the diets, but not get to the meat of the issue. Okay, that was a bad pun. I'm hibernating away from this thread until someone picks it up.
 
I was trying to steer the conversation back in the direction of health concerns. BUt the fact is, there is NO health concern to a proper vegetarian diet...protien, iron, etc., all these things can easily be taken in while eating vegetarian. So since you dont NEED meat, the only reason to eat it is as a luxury.
 
...Or for those of us who are broke and can't afford expensive crazy supplements. I'm speaking from experience. I was a vegetarian for 18 months and a vegan for 6 months, and at the end of that 2 years, I had gotten fairly emaciated. I was eating all the best vegetarian diets I could study about, and I still wasn't getting the proper nutrition that my body [apparently] needed, and I went broke in the process. So I started eating meat again, and, surprise, in about 3 weeks, I had gained like 15 lbs.

Some of us can't do vegetarian diets... which is perfectly fine since humans were designed to eat and digest meat. =D :p
 
Maybe its just some people then..cuz I dont take any supplements *well I DO but not to compensate for lack of meat* and Im fine. Although I DID lose weight when I went vegetarian, I consider this a very good thing.

Just curious, what supplements did you feel you needed when you went vegetarian? I can understand being a vegan as its harder to get iron and protien sometimes..but I dont take any specific supplements for my vegetarianism.

I suppose if you went vegetarian and didnt like beans/nuts/soy products you might have a problem..Ive known "vegetarians" who ate nothing but doritos soda and candy so if you refuse to eat what you need I can see getting emaciated (or just severly malnourished).
 
Nope, I ate all the beans and nuts in the world. I got protein. But I'm no nutritionist, so I can't tell you what exactly is missing from these beans and nuts that animal meat has... but there is definitely something. I took B-complex and iron supplements, and when I went vegan I took calcium and D supplements, and it still happened. And losing weight for me is a bad thing, as I am 6'2" and weigh 145lbs after a big meal. I can't afford to lose any weight. My metabolism is way too fast, and is showing no signs of deceleration... even at 29 years old!
 
>>Some of us can't do vegetarian diets... which is perfectly fine since humans were designed to eat and digest meat.>>

bracketing aside the fact that our bodies weren't designed... :)

yeah...different diets work for different people.
Were you eating a variety of...er...vegetables? :)

ebola
 
ebola said:
bracketing aside the fact that our bodies weren't designed... :)
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Thats totally untrue. Whether you believe in creation or evolution you believe our bodies were designed.

Whether it be by selecting desireable traits by genetic drift, and proliferation of adaptive traits or, god making you just right, your body is in fact designed to live.

All life on earth is designed to fit in an ecological niche. Ours niche just happens to be GLOBAL DOMINATION. =D
 
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I want to apologize for that. Honestly I feel badly about the whole thing.

I started taking this thread to a bad place, then when you responded, I got offended, and I edited your post. I should have deleted my own and just let it go.

Thankfully, the discussion has gone back to and good place.
 
^ shit happens. i accept your apology and hope we can have a nice, civil discussion in here from this point on - maybe the shit between bigbenn and i will be an example to the other twats..er, argumnetative people around here...

we herbivores and omnivores can live in peace. :)
 
Church said:
My metabolism is way too fast, and is showing no signs of deceleration... even at 29 years old!
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Sounds like me. 5'7'' and 136 lb ... at 33 years old. I ingest food and excrete it only hours later. The one thing meat really gives me is stamina. But still don't eat much of it because I don't like it that much and because I have a slightly anorexic tendency, i.e. I hate it when I'm too full for too long.
 
ebola? said:
>>Some of us can't do vegetarian diets... which is perfectly fine since humans were designed to eat and digest meat.>>

bracketing aside the fact that our bodies weren't designed... :)

yeah...different diets work for different people.
Were you eating a variety of...er...vegetables? :)

ebola
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Yes definitely... I've always loved just about every vegetable in existence, ever since i was a kid eating Gerber food. I love vegetyables, and have always had a varied diet. Health has never been a foreign concept to me, because my mom was a hippy, and grew her own vegetables and stuff. But we also ate meat. Maybe it has to do with being raised on meat for the first half of my life or something?
 
^ i was raised on meat, too.

i was taken to mcdonalds on atleast a monthly basis as a kid :(
 
I was raised eating meat as well.
It just seems to me the issue of you losing all this weight...that really just comes down to calories. So you must have been eating MUCH less calories as a vegetarian which I dont understand, unless 90% of your daily calories came from meat before. *which wouldnt be healthy anyways*

I lost weight when I FIRST went veggie, only because I hadnt learned fully what I could eat yet so I didnt eat much for awhile. Once I learned different meals and things I could eat my weight went pretty much back to what it was.

The only way I can see someone losing that much weight is if they ate mostly meat in the first place and didnt replace it with anything... I dont get it.

I also disagree that humans were neccessarily designed to eat meat. Just because you can digest something doesnt mean its the most optimal diet for you.
 
>>Maybe it has to do with being raised on meat for the first half of my life or something?>>

I'm a vegan, and it's been going well for 5 years. I was on the chicken fingers and mac 'n' cheese diet beforehand.

>>I also disagree that humans were neccessarily designed to eat meat. Just because you can digest something doesnt mean its the most optimal diet for you.>>

Well, I would basically agree, but this needs to be elaborated. I think our bodies have evolved to survive robustly to slightly passed child-rearing age under a variety of dietary conditions, all of them based in hunting and gathering (be they based on roots, as in the African Savana or on hunted large game, as in Northern Europe).

Does this tell us what the optimal diet is to live healthily for roughly 3/4 of a century in modern industrial society?

ebola
 
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