Veganism

[socko]

I found a honey bee nest a few years ago. HAD TO GET THE HONEY. I filled a jar and got stung maybe 100 times, but i didn't care. TAht fresh honey was so good.

 

[skahead17]

i dont worry about honey too much, i think some dumb vegan made up that rule one day and it caught on. i just follow not eating honey because its a commitment to being vegan

 

[skywise]

With that being said as a biologist I understand that humans are omnivores. They have evolved from omnivores, and have evolutionarily adapted to omnivorous diets. In order to live healthfullly (It is possible) you have to know how to create amino acid combinations, and obtain good healthy fats. Its alot of planning, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Nothing is exaggerated more than the danger of not getting enough amino acids in a vegan diet. You can get all of the essential amino acids you need, quite *easily* from plants alone. Hell, there is a case of people surviving (due to an avalanche, i believe) on potatoes alone for six months and being deficient of many vitamins but not protein! The necessity of consciously combining amino acids (i.e. eating rice & beans together and the like) has been disproved for about 20 yrs. now. Your body pools amino acids. Just so long as the vegan isn't trying to survive on candy canes or something crazy s/he will be just fine.

 

[skywise]

vegan is just a natural progression from vegetraian. some people it takes no time some epeople it can take years. i went vegetarian to vegan in like 3 or 4 months, but my friends mom took 6 years of being vegetarian to turn vegan.

I think its a logical progression from a lot of the main reasons people become vegetarians (health, environmental, animal abuse). I don't know if its a natural progresssion in actuality for most people however because we're just not entirely logical. I know for me my love of cheese, convenience, and what I consider to be "the good life" outweigh the fact that veganism makes more sense on the three issues I listed above.

 

[Dtergent]

I'm vegan except for the occasional honey or pastry or cake.

I've been vegetarian for about 4-5 years now or something, and mostly-vegan for about a year or more?

It feels right for me, in all ways.

 

[Whitespy420]

My vegetarianism (or lack thereof!) stems from a rather unique belief - I eat that which I can catch/kill/cultivate with my own hands or tools I've made. For example, anything I can pick or harvest, I will eat (yes, some will say "But you can't make bread!" but alas, I can), fruit, vegetables. I eat fish, and eggs, as I've caught fish with poles made from sticks and bait I've found myself. I have yet to slay a cow or chicken with a homemade spear, so I don't eat them. I figure that if I can expend the energy to capture and kill an animal then I have every right to eat it, however if I'm unable to do that, then I shouldn't be partaking in it. Granted, this doesn't mean I catch all my own food, as I live in western society and this is almost impossible, but its the philosophy that I live by. It works well for me, I get all the protein/carbs/fat/vitamins/minerals that I could possibly need this way, and I'm probably quite a bit healthier than most other people

 

[saturnine]

^^ i laugh at meat-eaters that argue that it's natural to eat meat but get all grossed out by the sight of a dead animal.
..isn't hunting/killing part fo that 'natural process'?!

part of the reason i chose to go vegetarian was that i knew i could never kill an animal for food.

 

[Tritoch]

^ But you could milk them and sell them to someone who would kill them after their milk had run dry?

 

[Tritoch]

skahead17...

Are you sure this is the case for all bee hives? Do vegans cut out honey because of this? That seems silly... lots of bugs die becaue humans eat (or alter) plants.

Bees are systematically exploited and the honey is THEIRS - it's what they feed on. We steal it from them and give them sugar water to keep them alive and "processing".

That seems silly...

unneccessary

 

[saturnine]

^ But you could milk them and sell them to someone who would kill them after their milk had run dry?

i could do the former, certainly not the latter.

i was a vegan for almost a year. no honey included, and i'm even a bit allergic to bee stings.

i still abstain completely from gelatin and other by-products, leather, suede, etc ..wool and silk..

i stopped being vegan ultimately because i couldnt afford it..i have a fast metabolism and need to eat pretty frequently.
i'm 19 and have had no familial financial help for the past year also; if you have a suggestion for me, i'd love it, oh wise one.

edit: making things personal in a thread like this is lame.

 

[StagnantReaction]

Tritoch, I would recommend you stop triple posting and attacking people. Thanks.

Keep threads clean. 8)

 

[basix]

I'm a meat eater, and I think I always will be. Personally I don't like the fact that animals are killed for humans to eat/use, but the reason I will keep eating meat is because I like the taste, and it's easier for me to meet my macronutrient goals (im trying to put on weight) by using animal products.

I'd say most vegetarians/vegans are probably a bit healthier than the average meat eater, but that's because the average person is overweight and doesnt give a shit what they put into their mouths. Vegetarians/vegans on the otherhand Im sure are much more conscious about what they are eating. Personally I think you can have a healthy balanced diet that includes lean meats and fish and be just as healthy as any vegetarian. So for me I see no reason to become vegetarian for health reasons, as I don't think I would become any healthier.

One thing I despise is snobby elitist vegetarians/vegans like Tritoch telling people how they have no right to use animals, seriously get the fuck over yourself, come down from your self proclaimed moral highground, and stop trying to make others feel bad for their personal choices that you disagree with.

 

[Solksjaer]

Vegetarians are fine in my book, but vegans are idiots. I dated a vegetarian, she had no problem with me eating meat in front her, I accepted her stance and she mine. All the vegans I have met are arrogant and shove there propaganda campaign in your face relentlessly. Let me be and I'll let you be.

 

[basix]

Solksjaer not all vegans are like that, like any group though, its often the more fanatical members that are the most vocal and can make the rest look bad.

 

[saturnine]

^^ true dat.

one of the reasons i try to talk about vegetarianism (in a mostly non-combative setting that is) is to hopefully change the omnivores' perspective on vegetarians as people. i want to be the one non-fanatic vegetarian they hear from in a way, not to be special but just so others see that being herbivorous isn't synonymous with being a nutjob..

i mean it's not like i don't end up in the same conversation/debate half the time..but i do it over and over because i feel it's important to have a positive attitude; i want to hear opinions and share mine..healthy debate is the best thing IMO..

i don't care what other people put in their body. IMO it only becomes my business when your diet is directly affecting me..which is pretty much never.
if people were hunting deer say in my backyard, then i'd be pissed. but that's about as likely as heff getting a boner these days.
as long as i don't have to see the slaughter or smell meat cooking (almost all vegetarians dislike the smell; even if we once ate meat) i don't care. i openly admit that i would prefer a vegetarian world because of its environmental & health benefits, but i also am realistic and understand that diet is a personal choice, no exceptions. if i ever bring up vegetarianism to a meat-eater, i never (and i do mean never) tell them to become veg.; i feel that the only proper thing to do is educate, be patient, answer questions. as vegetarians, i think we have somewhat of a duty to teach people about our diet and what it entails, not to push our reasoning behind the diet onto others. personally all i want is an informend and openminded society; i don't expect everyone to be a level 5 vegan ("you don't pocket mulch?!") i am something of a buddhist and part of my abstinence from meat is spiritually-based..but i don't think that's any more of a justification for being on my high horse than saying "meat tastes poopy". sure, it sickens me when i see people bringing their toddlers to McDonalds, but it just isn't my business.

apology for a long post!

 

[StagnantReaction]

Vegetarians are fine in my book, but vegans are idiots. I dated a vegetarian, she had no problem with me eating meat in front her, I accepted her stance and she mine. All the vegans I have met are arrogant and shove there propaganda campaign in your face relentlessly. Let me be and I'll let you be.

Those vegans are pretentious assholes. They make the rest look bad.

But on the converse, meat-eaters who outright attack vegetarians are just as bad.

Let's all try to be accepting, eh?

 

[Tritoch]

Vegetarians are fine in my book, but vegans are idiots. I dated a vegetarian, she had no problem with me eating meat in front her, I accepted her stance and she mine. All the vegans I have met are arrogant and shove there propaganda campaign in your face relentlessly. Let me be and I'll let you be.

They're saying "let the animals be".

 

[Tritoch]

Tritoch, I would recommend you stop triple posting and attacking people. Thanks.

Keep threads clean. 8)

I triple-posted because i hadn't attended the thread...I could have combined it all into one post - that would have been better, I admit.

I didn't attack anyone either.

Example:

^ But you could milk them and sell them to someone who would kill them after their milk had run dry?

edit: making things personal in a thread like this is lame.

^ That wasn't a personal attack or "making it personal" - I was just using her above comment to make my point.

 

[saturnine]

^ didnt attack, but you definitely didn't stay in pretty white neutral territory.

your lack of response to what i said in response to your comment speaks enough for itself.

 

[Tritoch]

but i also am realistic and understand that diet is a personal choice, no exceptions.

What if someone's a cannibal?

See..vegan's don't buy the whole "animal's are lower beings" thing - the basis for almost every argument of animal exploitation.