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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

Stop dragging up old threads to prove a point. It doesn't have anything to do with the current discussion and if you can think of nothing else to say don't say anything. I'm not going to look at posts I've made over a 5-year timespan in various kinds of mental state.
 
Yeah, murphy, you shouldn't be eating soy regularly (if at all).

Ninae said:
2. Dairy could be produced in limited amounts from free-range animals.
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Produced for the masses, or produced for farmers and their families?
I'm not sure you've really thought this through.
Who gets the "limited amounts"?
And what happens to the calves needed to cause the cows to lactate?

3. Like I said, it's a start, and most need to eat dairy for a transition period or they find it too hard.
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Fair enough. As long as it's a start.

4. Also, I don't see how getting rid of half the problem is invalidated by not getting rid of the other half (unless you simply want to see it that way). In most fields, like if we cleared up 50% of pollution, it would be seen as a spectacular achievement.
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I'm not trying to invalidate anything.
I'm just saying...

Dairy is just as bad as meat.
 
Ninae said:
Stop dragging up old threads to prove a point. It doesn't have anything to do with the current discussion and if you can think of nothing else to say don't say anything. I'm not going to look at posts I've made over a 5-year timespan in various kinds of mental state.
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um its only a couple weeks old, we could really use your perspective, smoky joined and got instant virgin mary status...we can cook something up for you as well
 
Birc0014 said:
problem is cheese is so delicious no one wants to live without it...i say free cheese for all and fuck the cows! not literally, unless your into that sort of thing in which case, all will be permitted
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I agree with you that cheese is very good and in regards to cow, I think it´s made from their milk. It´s not like you are killing them for cheese.
I think a bit of everything is pure common sense. If one starts thinking too much where it´s all coming from you may start developing some sort of OCD relating to food. It´s only a figure of speech not real OCD, but you get the point.

Talking about meat in general is fine by me. I agree with most of it. But going too much further does not seem to be natural IMO neither healthy. But that´s me.
 
What really needs to happen is that the industry for both dairy and meat needs to be totally reworked. Rather than factory farming, animals could be raised free-range in a fairly natural way, and as they become pregnant, we could gather their milk for dairy, rather than keeping them constantly pregnant. And the young would grow up to become adults and do the same thing, rather than be killed.

Of course this would require that everyone be quite moderate in their consumption, which seems an insurmountable dream these days.The original reason for factory farming was efficiency and production... there are so many people in the world, producing enough food is a challenge.
 
Dairy cows (nor any other mammals) don't need to be continuously preggers to produce milk. After a female has birthed, she will produce milk for as long as u milk her (ur human mother included) it's supply and demand. Eventually the body starts to slow down production, but females only stop producing milk once u stop milking them. If this happens, giving birth again will start the production of milk again.
Dairy cows may be impregnated multiple times but that's not because it's necessary to be recently pregnant in order to milk.

Also can u back up/provide literature on overpopulation and feeding people being a challenge cause we have the means/land, technology, water, refrigerators, whatever.
I mean just because heaps of people are currently malnourished and starving to death doesn't mean we're actually unable to feed them, it's just not profitable (the reason any company ever exists, food included) and I see absolutely no reason we couldn't feed twice as many people (which won't take long at the rate humans breed) twice as much meat as we currently eat (that's 400% more farming!!!) but if you've got something to show me otherwise I'd love to see it.
 
It ain't Vegans and Vegetarians we need to be concerned about... or at least not only them... Apparently ANYONE wanting to eat healthy is now considered to be sick.

Officials Declare ‘Eating Healthy’ A Mental Disorder
“Orthorexia nervosa is a label designated to those who are concerned about eating healthy. Characterized by disordered eating fueled by a desire for “clean” or “healthy” foods, those diagnosed with the condition are overly pre-occupied with the nutritional makeup of what they eat”

In short, if you turn your back on low quality, corporate food containing known cancer causing toxic additives and a rich history of dishonesty rooted in a continuous “profits over people” modus operandi, then you may suffer from a mental illness. The cherry on top is that if you have the pseudo-science labeled disorder of orthorexia nervosa, you will be prescribed known toxic, pharmaceutical drugs from some of the same conglomerate corporations that you are trying to avoid by eating healthy in the first place.
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From: http://naturalsociety.com/officials-declare-eating-healthy-mental-disorder/#ixzz3SH4ZBhWi

Apparently soon we will have Respira Nervosa, the sickness that is wanting to breathe actual air - they will release breathing masks that cure that need once and for all by restricting access of all air to the nose and mouth. :D
 
It's a moot point, anyway.
Whether or not they need to technically remain pregnant to produce milk is irrelevant.
Their children are still slaughtered and they are still kept pregnant.

Also: while cows can lactate when they're not pregnant, they don't produce much milk (relative to when they are pregnant).
...and cows DON'T like their children being taken away. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBnZPJJ2QG4)

Dairy remains as bad, if not worse, than meat.
(IMO: In my opinion... NIPETAO: Not in PETA's opinion.)
 
Journyman16 said:
It ain't Vegans and Vegetarians we need to be concerned about... or at least not only them... Apparently ANYONE wanting to eat healthy is now considered to be sick..

:D
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Anyone not concerned with wanting to eat healthy foods is now considered sick. Was that what you meant?
 
Nope. It's anyone concerned WITH eating healthy is now to be considered suffering from Orthorexia Nervosa. Apparently having a desire not to consume weird chemicals and rogue ingredients or GMO's is clearly to be seen as some kind of disorder. Have a read of the link...
 
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