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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

LOL - you don't find it... um... interesting that wanting to eat good food is being defined as having something wrong with us?
 
Journyman16 said:
Nope. It's anyone concerned WITH eating healthy is now to be considered suffering from Orthorexia Nervosa. Apparently having a desire not to consume weird chemicals and rogue ingredients or GMO's is clearly to be seen as some kind of disorder. Have a read of the link...
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It's just a way of lashing out against a threat towards the economy. If everyone suddenly insisted they will only eat food that is reasonably pure and has some real nourishment most of the food industry would have to be completely re-organised. Besides, there's much more profit in selling people synthetic crap.
 
Journyman16 said:
It ain't Vegans and Vegetarians we need to be concerned about... or at least not only them... Apparently ANYONE wanting to eat healthy is now considered to be sick.

Officials Declare ‘Eating Healthy’ A Mental Disorder

From: http://naturalsociety.com/officials-declare-eating-healthy-mental-disorder/#ixzz3SH4ZBhWi

Apparently soon we will have Respira Nervosa, the sickness that is wanting to breathe actual air - they will release breathing masks that cure that need once and for all by restricting access of all air to the nose and mouth. :D
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That's insane. But yes the reason for this is clear.
 
I don't buy the conspiracy angle... I think what Journyman is describing is an eating disorder, in which people - through over-saturation - become terrified of certain "bad" foods and end up neglecting their diet resulting in severe nutritional deficiencies. I have seen this before. It's not that uncommon for people who attempt to maintain strict healthy diets to end up with nutritional deficiencies. I haven't checked the statistics, but I'm pretty sure that vegans and vegetarians have more malnutrition issues than people who eat junk food.

Although on the surface it doesn't seem to make sense that you can be unhealthy by being healthy, it doesn't take much working out.
The quote is being taken out of context and, generally, misinterpreted.

I see..maybe some sort of fixation..
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Yep. People can be fixated on \ obsessed with exercise, similarly.
 
It's a way of regulating the economy, which has always been done, and is seen as necessary.

I don't get this new trend of calling any observation of social control a conspiracy theory, you almost can't criticise anything about the way the world is being run any more. The world is clearly crazy and millions of things are done every day more for profit than your best interest.

Everyone should have the freedom to live as a health freak if that is what they want. It's nobody's business. There are many worse things someone can do, like living on junk food/processed food.
 
Conspiracy was implied...
I'll explain...

While it is a new term, some doctors (and other practitioners) are starting to use it diagnostically. If the term in fact refers to nothing, then they would have to be "in on it". Meaning that either the government and/or the hideously wealthy paid them off... or, perhaps, that they have been specially trained to pose as doctors so they can use the term and balance the economy. Either way, it is a conspiracy... and not a particularly convincing one.

The junk food industries are not threatened enough by people eating healthy, to warrant that sort of conspiracy.
It doesn't really make much sense, when you think about it.

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(It's funny that you dislike "the modern trend" of calling things conspiracy theories... I dislike the modern trend that I have observed, of the tendency to call things conspiracy, which is what you did.)
 
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I wish i was vegetarian but i dont make my own food i just eat what my fam makes

I want to be... vegetarian except occasional fish. And no milk, but i still want cheese.
that would be my ideal diet
 
Trying2Iso said:
I wish i was vegetarian but i dont make my own food i just eat what my fam makes

I want to be... vegetarian except occasional fish. And no milk, but i still want cheese.
that would be my ideal diet
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It´s common sense issue. A bit of everything..plus eating at home is way better and healthier.
My grandma always says there´s love in cooking.
My wife cooks great family meals. She works as well so I and my kids end up washing the dishes. :)
 
Erikmen said:
It´s common sense issue. A bit of everything..plus eating at home is way better and healthier.
My grandma always says there´s love in cooking.
My wife cooks great family meals. She works as well so I and my kids end up washing the dishes. :)
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I'm lactose intolerant so i avoid dairy products
and i get acid reflux so i avoid meat when i can
plus meat contains harmful enzymes, or so ive heard.

I am grateful i have a dishwasher because i hattteee washing dishes
 
There's nothing wrong with meat, unless it's the hormoned, antibioticed, chemicalised shit they create to make money. Most people don't eat dairy any more, they eat pasteurised, homogenised calcium liquid processed into... something - I am unsure what it should be called. They pump all kinds of shit into it to make cheeses and even colour it so it looks like what actually WAS cheese before they killed all the enzymes.

It is interesting the rise of lactose intolerance when you compare it to the instigation of processed milk.

And there is nothing in the article, nor in my searches for Orthorexia Nervosa that would suggest what they are talking about is people wioth some kind of compulsion about 'health' - it is quite clear they are talking about people who do not want to eat processed and chemicalised near-food as presented in the supermarkets.

You do not need to be a conspiracy theorist to get classified as having Orthorexia Nervosa, you just need to be aware of health issues an not want to eat what the Corporations want to sell you.
 
The big corporations have quite lot of influence on politicians, laws, and the media, and official nutrition advice often seems to be the opposite of what Naturopaths or those who heal people with nutrition for a living do.

Even though they can show great results, and what they teach can be verified in practice, the general opinion is more that this is an extremist practice, which has no real benefits (could even be harmful), and it's best to live like everyone else.
 
Journyman16 said:
You do not need to be a conspiracy theorist to get classified as having Orthorexia Nervosa, you just need to be aware of health issues an not want to eat what the Corporations want to sell you.
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Did you think to read between the lines of that article you posted? It displays an already conspiratorial tone and certaintly gives no impression of being veracious or non-biased. There are no sources listed, so its claims are just opinion. I think most people with criticial thinking facilities would know to take the facts presented seasoned sparsely with (iodine infused/cancer causing) salt.

I can't find the source of this (I didn't look hard):
"Orthorexia nervosa is a label designated to those who are concerned about eating healthy. Characterized by disordered eating fueled by a desire for “clean” or “healthy” foods, those diagnosed with the condition are overly pre-occupied with the nutritional makeup of what they eat".

But that's a good example of weasel words. The 'disorder', such as it is, has nothing to do with negatives of just eating healthy. It is about eating 'healthy' to the detriment of actual health that is referred to by this disorder, not having less sugar in your tea. If you look at a more impartial website such as Wikipedia, the disorder is quite a different thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa Also, this isn't even a recognised disorder so lets not start seeing Elvis here too ;) This is just some dudes on the internet saying Jim Morrison can be found busking down at Flinders St.

At times, I think the greatest conspiracy is the ease with which humans believe conspiracies and the way believers refuse to use critical thought when faced with them. It makes it seem that people are invested in obscuring the truth by claiming connections between disparate things when this stuff is really a by-product of the superstitious magical thinking inheerent to human mind. I think these people are trying to drag us down.
 
Well they aren't exactly trying to make it difficult to be defined as Orthorexic. Questions to be asked for diagnosis...
Other questions concerning those who may be suffering from orthorexia provided by Davis on the WebMD (2000) website are:

Do they spend more than 3 hours a day thinking about healthy foods?

When they eat the way they're supposed to, do they feel in total control?

Are they planning tomorrow's menu today?

Has the quality of their life decreased as the quality of their diet increased?

Have they become stricter with themselves? Does their self-esteem get a boost from eating healthy?

Do they look down on others who don't eat this way?

Do they skip foods they once enjoyed in order to eat the "right" foods?

Does their diet make it difficult for them to eat anywhere but at home, distancing them from family and friends?

Do they feel guilt or self-loathing when they stray from their diet?

If yes was answered to two or more questions, the person may have a mild case of orthorexia
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I figure anyone who takes even moderate care of themselves diet-wise would classify under such criteria. What I haven't been able to find are papers regarding just WHY people might have such a disorder - which is fairly common in psychiatry actually. Describe the disoreder/sybdrome and prescribe for it - causes are things that may possibly cure the patient, cutting off the flow of money.

For example, what if it's the feelings they get after eating the crap we are told is food these days? Subconsciously maybe they associate the poor food choices with the debased feeling that comes from eating junk and so they begin to look for foods that do not give them such feelings? Orthorexia at that point would not be a disorder but a sane reaction to a hidden problem.

@Willow - Sources aren't that hard to find - they are listed on the Wiki page you linked to. Steven Bratman and there's a paper by Donin et al referenced as well.

It may not be listed in DSM5 but doctors ARE using it as a diagnosis. Which means it is going mainstream.

I think we have too many names we throw around for things that can as easily be called bad behaviour or even stupidity. There's an example of a US woman who went to live in Germany - she mentioned being surprised on a trek up a steep hill with a cliff on one side that their were no warning signs nor guard rails to prevent people falling off. The German with her kind of sniggered and said something like, "Only stupid people would not know falling over a cliff is dangerous!"

We now have a society where people are so mollycoddled they can't be trusted to not fall over and will do stupid shit like (apparently) eat to their own detriment and expect others to solve their problems that come from it. How weak minded must we be to be unable to say No to eating Maccas 5 times a week?
 
Quoting some of the questions used to diagnose something that isn't even yet recognized, from a questionable website, doesn't disprove it's existence.
I can find an internet source to back up any particular agenda I might have, in any particular situation.

Until you show some evidence of widespread misdiagnosis, I don't see your point...

I mean, do you actually know anyone who's been diagnosed with this?
If not, why are you inclined to think that people who shouldn't be diagnosed are being diagnosed?
(Seems like you're taking something out of context, and sensationalizing details, like mass media.)
 
I think this thread is evidence enough of people taking their diets to an unhealthy extreme. It is one thing to eliminate things you don't enjoy eating, but conspiracies and pseudo science approach to nutrition is often just as unhealthy in impressionable minds. There is nothing unhealthy with eating meat, fish or poultry just as there is nothing unhealthy about a vegetarian diet. The risk increases as you start eliminating major food groups that you start to create deficiencies in essential minerals, vitamins and even groups like amino acids. Listening to your body is key.
 
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