using the torch or not? (smoking methamphetamine)

[_DankOpiAmp_]

You build tolerance lightening fast with IV but initially you need less meth and none of it goes into the air out the pipe or from exhaling so you get more efficiency.

 

[opiatekrzy]

General statement from a friend "banging it is incredible but you need to use more meth" he said 30units of meth in a needle , and draw water in and shake than bang..??!(I would never draw any drug in a syringe without a cotton, and filling a needle with meth up to the 30unit/cc is pretty reckless as eye balling can be decieving that striked me odd, I always needed less to IV. HOWEVER--when I would shoot crack I would need to use much more crack to get high unlike a small pebble to smoke and get a bell ringer ..ANYWAY- the fact.crack is freebase and the fact crystal meth is freebase (right ?) maybe you do need more to IV.

When snorting meth a bump gets me flying for 4hr. When Smoking a tiny shard will give me two Lung
Fulls, feeling like a come up on MDMA ...

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

Crystal meth dissolves in water because it is a hydrochloride salt (not freebase). The freebase form is rare and it is a nasty, waxy crap substance. I'm assuming you made cocaine citrate before injecting it since freebase cocaine doesn't dissolve either, or perhaps that is why you needed more. Some are also friending for the instant nut-buster high with IV, so they could use more because of that. Meth seems to work better smoked than any other drug but I don't see how you would need more IV unless you just wanted the intense all-at-once rush you can't get with smoking. The difference in the nature of the high may account for it.

 

[meth444]

I just cannot get the hang of using a torch, I always seem to waste some gear from the excess of heat.

I am, however, a good smoker with an ordinary bic, I get many many tokes out of a small amount of gear....and as primarily an IV user, I feel I can gauge how much I am getting/wasting via smoking....i.e., IV has 100% bioavailability and smoking has 90-ish% bioavailability (I think), so if the high from a certain amount of gear smoked is similar to that same amount of gear IV'd, then I have a reasonable idea that I haven't wasted much.

I still remember a horrible incident where I had a pipe, my last point of gear and only a torch lighter....and most of the gear went up in smoke (not in a good way).....sigh.

If anyone has any tips for using torch lighters with a glass pipe I'd love to hear them.

Everything CartoonHead said!

 

[SinbadVine]

From what I have been reading, meth, crack, and cannabinoids all vaporize at much lower temps than a bic lighter (butane yellow flames), which burns at around 3,500°F! A torch is considerably hotter (blue jet flames), hitting temperatures over 4,500°F! So, it seems that these substances are easily overheated, which causes different undesirable chemical reactions than the desired vaporizing of the good stuff... I suggest only using a lighter, not a torch, and you will have lower temps (a good thing) and more control. Also, BTW as a side note, the hottest part of the flame (lighter or candle) is the top of the blue cone inside the flame (not the yellow tip or top of the flame, as I used to assume). For vaporizing drugz, I think less heat and slower (electric vape tool or a lighter) is better than higher heat (a torch), in terms of avoiding wasting product, and avoiding overheating product. IMHO... And with combusting cannabis, the best method for lighting is to use a piece of hemp twine.

 

[WellTram]

I like to use candle. Putting pipe approximately 4cm above the little fire of candle makes the meth in pipe turn into liquid in a few seconds and than it gently vaporise and I inhale until I cannot more but I always inhale for a few seconds after putting pipe away from the heat because if u stop inhaling then a lot will just go into the air. So u need it to take away from heat sooner than you have to stop inhaling because it will cool down and it won't be escaping and u will avoid ( seems like just a little bit but it's probably 25 % ) loosing quarter of your product. Smoking ( vaporising ) meth requires little bit of skill.

Using torch is too much intensive for meth to inhale slowly and gradually until your lungs are full because the heat the torch is producing turn shard into liquid in a blink of an eye and into dissapearing in just a few seconds. Instead of 4 big clouds u will exhale 1 moderate and 1 small cloud. Absolutely bad way to vaporise meth. But if u have to use torch, hold your pipe 10 cm away from it.

My best experience is using reliable but classic lighter and when I can I prefer using candle. With candle u can inhale almost everything and nothing will escape and you won't burn your toxic shards of ultimate monoamine ( or i would rather say dopamine, serotonine, noradrenaline and other excitatory and mood elevating molecules ) releasing effects. I am sure ingesting amphetamines leads to endogenous opioids release too. Meth is great painkiller because of it combined with intensive noradrenaline release and to a smaller degree serotonine and dopamine helps to feel any pain even less. But after your body is depleted of all of these lovely molecules you will feel any pain even more, much more and to make it even more painfull, your muscles will be literally oposite of being relaxed which results in another pain. And even this is not all. Body and cns inflammation is garanted to be very noticable after u run out of monoamines, endorphines, catechonalines and also vitamines, minerals will be depleted. But there is buildup of very toxic nasty shit after just 2 days of using amohetamines.
I always take a lot of active charcoal after my binge is over. It absorb that toxic buildup which is the cause of your skin looking horrible, your sweat smells disgusting, your urine is like almost brown etc etc etc...