using the torch or not? (smoking methamphetamine)

[_DankOpiAmp_]

You build tolerance lightening fast with IV but initially you need less meth and none of it goes into the air out the pipe or from exhaling so you get more efficiency.

 

[opiatekrzy]

General statement from a friend "banging it is incredible but you need to use more meth" he said 30units of meth in a needle , and draw water in and shake than bang..??!(I would never draw any drug in a syringe without a cotton, and filling a needle with meth up to the 30unit/cc is pretty reckless as eye balling can be decieving that striked me odd, I always needed less to IV. HOWEVER--when I would shoot crack I would need to use much more crack to get high unlike a small pebble to smoke and get a bell ringer ..ANYWAY- the fact.crack is freebase and the fact crystal meth is freebase (right ?) maybe you do need more to IV.

When snorting meth a bump gets me flying for 4hr. When Smoking a tiny shard will give me two Lung
Fulls, feeling like a come up on MDMA ...

 

[_DankOpiAmp_]

Crystal meth dissolves in water because it is a hydrochloride salt (not freebase). The freebase form is rare and it is a nasty, waxy crap substance. I'm assuming you made cocaine citrate before injecting it since freebase cocaine doesn't dissolve either, or perhaps that is why you needed more. Some are also friending for the instant nut-buster high with IV, so they could use more because of that. Meth seems to work better smoked than any other drug but I don't see how you would need more IV unless you just wanted the intense all-at-once rush you can't get with smoking. The difference in the nature of the high may account for it.

 

[meth444]

I just cannot get the hang of using a torch, I always seem to waste some gear from the excess of heat.

I am, however, a good smoker with an ordinary bic, I get many many tokes out of a small amount of gear....and as primarily an IV user, I feel I can gauge how much I am getting/wasting via smoking....i.e., IV has 100% bioavailability and smoking has 90-ish% bioavailability (I think), so if the high from a certain amount of gear smoked is similar to that same amount of gear IV'd, then I have a reasonable idea that I haven't wasted much.

I still remember a horrible incident where I had a pipe, my last point of gear and only a torch lighter....and most of the gear went up in smoke (not in a good way).....sigh.

If anyone has any tips for using torch lighters with a glass pipe I'd love to hear them.

Everything CartoonHead said!