Opioids Using methadone to detox, questions, advice.??

[x_fizzler]

Ok so ive been writing some threads lately, ive also been doing alot of research and im not really finding many answeres or reassurance. Im not getting alot of good info from clinic employees at this point either, my counseling doesnt start till monday.

using to detox from about 60/90mgs morphine and 90mgs of hydro a day maybe some days oxy instead of hydro. morphine is the only drug that stayed constant.

So tommrow morning will be my third dose. Fri i took 30mgs about 8am and by 5pm i had to start work and my legs were weak and trebling i was irritated screaming at stupid shit while driving, i took 20mgs of hydro and 15mgs of m i was fine all night.

This morning i took 40mgs of methadone around 830am and felt hi fuck till around 3pm or so, pinned pupils and all. After 3pm i still had no physicall withdrawal but i was tired as shit. around 9pm or so im starting to get wrestless and irritable.

Ok so idk what to think and im afraid of getting addicted to meth, only planning on doing the 21 day program. I will not go over 40mgs. I cant understand why im getting so hi in the morning but feeling so shitee 12 hrs later. I know it takes a few days for meth to hold you 24 hours.

Like at night am i feeling the WD from all the other opiates ive used for a year or, idk what im really asking i know im wding cuz the methadone is wearing off but am i wding also from the methadone use, i mean its just an opiate ughh im confused a bit.

If im just using to detox should i be getting so hi the first 6 hours?? The hi's seem really strong and like a step backwards, but the fact that im not holding at night but getting so hi in the morning is confusing me about my dosage. Im thinking of trying to cut back to 35mgs tommrow if theyll let me but i need to make it till about 12am becuase i work at night, i chose to use meth becuase i thought it would at least last me 18 hours or so everyday and i could stay realtively comftorable.

The clinics whole plan is to give you 30 on the first day 40 the second them keep you at 40 (or stabalized i guess) for 6 days then start tappering off the methadone the next 15 days.

What will happen if i just keep at there plan for like 10 days then stop going, i dont want the meth wds, and i read alot of people just take a base dose for 5 to 10 days and stop the meth with minmal WD discomfort from any of it, thats another reason im confused becuase i would think youd still be in for WDs using the meth..

Please straighten me out and give me some advice thats not so the clinic can make more money. MMT is no option nor is it anything i want being on this drug for the last few days, its definately makes me a sleepy zombie that cant sleep when its acually holding me.

 

[x_fizzler]

http://opiated.wordpress.com/2007/03/ I read this and it went against everything i thought about how opiates and methadone worked. Basically to me this article is saying you can use methadone shortly with no consequences or addiction since it works on diffrent receptors. But this way of thinking would tell me you could use morphine to kick oxy.... so confused now lol

 

[BaybeX]

40mgs is WAY too much Methadone for your tolerance.

I take 30-40mgs a day and I had a much bigger habit than you.
20mgs holds me pretty well.
I really think you should lower your dose now

The clinics whole plan is to give you 30 on the first day 40 the second them keep you at 40 (or stabalized i guess) for 6 days then start tappering off the methadone the next 15 days.

What will happen if i just keep at there plan for like 10 days then stop going, i dont want the meth wds, and i read alot of people just take a base dose for 5 to 10 days and stop the meth with minmal WD discomfort from any of it, thats another reason im confused becuase i would think youd still be in for WDs using the meth..

If you stop cold turkey after taking 40mgs/day you will not be in 'minimal discomfort'.
You most definitely will feel some harsh w/d quitting at that dose.
I would taper down as your doctor advises.. it will make the pain of w/d MUCH more tolerable.

I think you should drop down to 20-25mgs/day and taper down from there.. maybe drop 5mgs every other day to get it over with quickly. This taper schedule will not leave you completely pain free but will be MUCH better than quitting cold turkey off of 40mgs Methadone.

http://opiated.wordpress.com/2007/03/ I read this and it went against everything i thought about how opiates and methadone worked. Basically to me this article is saying you can use methadone shortly with no consequences or addiction since it works on diffrent receptors. But this way of thinking would tell me you could use morphine to kick oxy.... so confused now lol

Yes, you can use Morphine to kick Oxy.. you can use any opiate to kick another opiate essentially..
Of course, you would have to taper with these opiates the same way you would with Methadone.

 

[x_fizzler]

well like i said ive only been on it 2 days so tommrow ill just go back to 30mgs i guess, the hi i not very enjoyable after about two hours. just wondering why im not holding longer than 12hrs or so before i start getting WD symptoms again. Wouldnt be a big deal except i work at night, so its a bit annoying for the meth to feel like its ran most of its course by the time i get my ass to work.

BTW the dosages i listed above for what i was taking was pretty much doses that got me through the day not always comftorable counldnt afford to buy enough to get hi anymore, basically been walking around for a real long time always feeling shitee, maybe catch a solid buzz when i first wake up. ughh im just over it i guess and i dont want this clinic to fuck me up more they dont seem to give any practical advice, and they just put be on a dose that gets me super fed up for 6 hours. Im doing this with a friend and they put the poor guy on 40mgs to and he only uses 75ngs of hydro a day hes defintely going to make them cut it but the poor guy is in almost more uncomfort than wds becuase hes so hi. I guess i was going to just do it how the clinic said to but im starting to loose trust in this whole process real quick and am afraid im going to get an MD habbit of pay for more MD than really needed especially after reading the article above. Im always the skeptic doing things my own way with my own research. So i guess thats why im hear asking for any advice i can get becuase im really not trusting these drs now but idk why im no holding.

 

[SZodiac]

Just drop by 5mgs a day till you get to nothing. Then see whats what for a few days and if it's too nasty, try 2mgs of subo, then 1mg, the 1/2, then off. That's how I've used M-done in the past and it's worked well. You got to remember though, nothing is a free ride. When you get to zero, you always have a little discomfort. Got to pay to play.

 

[x_fizzler]

well i took 40 today becuase i felt super sick when i woke up, its been an hour and a feel mostly normal a little spacey but i was already nodding yesterday. I just hope it holds me physically all day so i can start droping, i dont mind a lil bit of pain i excpected it acullay. The whole point of mdone though is it should last otherwise i might as well used any other opiate to taper. Sucks to be fully sick again almost and know you got 8 more hours till the next dose.

As far as when i drop off im going to try and taper the meth hopefully to 1mg and then drop off, i cant get subs there alot more exspensive and i dont have insurance. The clinic i goto also has a sub program but its hella spendy. Im assuming tappering off mdone and dropping at 5 or 1 mg after using it only 21 days is gonna be fairly comftorable. I can deal with WD for the most part i just cant deal with hours 24-96 very well while i have to work so thats what im hoping the meth will do for me.

 

[30$bag]

Hey, I am on a MM program.
You should start a bit lower,
and only take the done for like...four days.
and slowwwly taper.

I just think if you take that much methadone for that long, you will really feel some withdrawals afterward, even while tapering.

 

[McFeces]

You're just going to have to stick it out those few days till it starts to hit you longer! Day two and a half for me, but I've had pills to take whenever I feel the need for them so i've been getting by on 25mgs daily, 10-15 in the morning and the other half at night. 2.5 days later I woke up feeling fine. Took 5 mgs for good measures while at work and it's been officially 24 hours with only that 5 mg in my system and I feel no signs of sickness. One more day and I'm going to try and completely stop :D