Using benzodiazepenes as alcohol substitutes.

[Mettray]

Hello everyone, I'm sorry if this has been covered before. I did do a search on it, but came up short. I haven't been around these parts in a long time.

Does anyone else on here use benzodiazepenes completely as an alcohol SUBSTITUTE, rather than in combination with alcohol? I don't drink, but I like to take 4mg Klonopin when I go out clubbing because, to me, it seems to have the same desired effects that alcohol would have in a club situation. My inhibitions become looser, I'm bolder with my statements, I make out with more people, I'm more impish and flirtatious. BUT, I'm not sloshy, I don't get nauseous or hungover, I don't lose my balance, I can still dance great. Benzos are definitely not a 'club drug' in the way that MDMA or speed is, but in a strange way I find Klonopin absolutely tailor-made for nightclubbing. If I only use on Friday and Saturday nights, I get absolutely no withdrawal symptoms throughout the week (at least not yet).

I know that I should acknolwedge that Klonopin has a long half-life and is habit-forming so it's reasonable to say I'm playing with something a little serious. But hey this is OD so this is pansy shit.

Does anyone else use Klonopin or another benzodiazepene as a literal substitute for alcohol? Most people combine benzo's with alcohol. I just can't stand the feeling of being drunk (or the taste of alcohol, for that matter). In comparison with other benzos, Klonopin gives me a pronounced, up euphoria, totally different from Valium or Xanax, but I know mileage wildly varies with benzodiazepenes.

Anyway... tangentially related ideas?


love
mettray

 

[Kerrigan]

If I were to try and substitute benzos for alcohol I'd be asleep well before I got around to having any fun. Mixing them is way better than taking them alone.

But if that's your thing then go for it.

I'd definitely say klonopin wasn't a club drug either. It makes me sluggish, zombie like and sedated. Not what I want in a club atmospher. Naturally, I can talk to anyone and do anything I want to do, but that's if I can get out of the chair I've collapsed into. Or, if I can keep my eyes open long enough...

Keep using regularly and it will eventually catch up to you.

It can take hours to take effect too, so are you sure you're not just feeling placebo for a while?

*shrug*

Just a suggestion.

When it comes down to it, whatever floats your boat baby. %)

 

[Beeebs]

Klonopin doesn't take hours to take effect, more like 30 minutes.

 

[Kerrigan]

Maximum levels of the drug in the blood from an hour to two hours.

EDIT -- I apologise for quoting the Roche website. And, from personal experience they usually take that amount of time to reach peak effects. Thanks.

 

[Hessel R.K.]

^Uh, no.8)



And its just a sign that your lucky if you can take benzos and get alcohol like effects. I am lucky the same way.

Try Soma. It doesnt work for everyone (neither do benzos) but they fucking rock me. I have yet to take anything that hits me as hard as a good soma rush. and I get it off of four pills, when it works. Its like a 2nd plateau dxm that lasts 12 minutes.

And Im not joking or exaderating.

 

[the armed forces]

Ah, the GABA receptor action is wonderful....



for some...

 

[kemikals]

i dont think benzos are an adiquate replacement for benzos on a recreational level, they do give you valium for alcohol detox.

 

[ItchySkratchy]

^^^^^and librium....


I could see the "oh I'll just do benzos instead of get hammered" theory being excersised, after all I'm trying to cut down on my drinking (since cutting down but not kicking heroin) I have increased my drinking, which I'd also like to decrease (currently by my using benzos), but it's kinda a sucky substitiution...


for one, I can't rememeber shit these days.......I feel like a bumbling idiot instead of the sharp-minded (lol) individual I normally am.....I don't know....I'm trying it, but I don't know if I'll continue.....we'll see......and good luck w/your sitch!!!!!

 

[vicodelicious]

Klonopin as a literal substitue? No, they are two different buzzes. They have similar qualitites. Plus their modes of action as much differnet. Benzo's having affinity with GABA receptors, and alcohol.. well whatever the fuck that does. I hate alcohol. Yuck!

Both very addicting substances though...

 

[vicodelicious]

Although they are both depressants. And will starve off the shakes/anxiety...

 

[Mettray]

Klonopin as a literal substitue? No, they are two different buzzes.

Yes, definitely two different buzzes, but I mean, does anyone substitute the k-pin buzz for the alcohol buzz, instead of combining the two. The feelings are different, yes. But, the way I perceive is that people drink at clubs to lower their inhibitions, become more talkative, and be more sexual. Klonopin does all these things for me, but there are none of those nasties like nausea, hangover, loss of balance, slurred words, etc.

Of course, I know I'm ignoring the actual, literal feeling of alcohol, which may be totally euphoric for drinkers. For me it feels shitty, and I know that Klonopin feels shitty for others. But I take Klonopin at clubs for the basically the same reason that others drink at clubs. Thought that was interesting.

By the way Kerrigan, most benzos make me sluggish (especially Xanax, oh my fucking god), but Klonopin doesn't. I just get all fucking giggly and flirty like the world's most confident teenager. I run around and dance like crazy! Lucky for me! I've been using every weekend for 6 months and nothing's 'caught up' yet, but if I konk out on the dancefloor one night, that'll be the end of that!

Also, for me Klonopin hits in about an hour. Take it right when I get to the club and by the time it's getting crowded WHEE!

Hessell: Soma is the shit! But I have to space my doses by 2 weeks or I just feel groggy, nothing fun. Keep it to every-other-weekend and I have an awesome time on it. (I don't use it in combination with k-pins.)

Float that boat!


love
mettray

 

[jaxon]

you should be VERY grateful if you can avoid alcohole through benzos. very very very lucky you are yes.

But, regulare use = higher dose/less effect = withdrawl from hell

 

[ebola?]

>>Benzo's having affinity with GABA receptors, and alcohol.. well whatever the fuck that does. I hate alcohol. Yuck! >>

Alcohol is a very "dirty" and complicated drug. It also has GABAnertic activity but is also an antagonist at NMDA receptors...it also has a variety of lesser affinities and seems to also alter neural impulse transmission via soluability in lipid membranes of neurons...

ebola

 

[Mettray]

you should be VERY grateful if you can avoid alcohole through benzos. very very very lucky you are yes.

YAY!

But, regulare use = higher dose/less effect = withdrawl from hell

My dose of 4mg/night, 2 nights/week, has yet to lessen in effect (6 months so far). BUT, once the effects lessen I'll know it's time to taper off them altogether. I have some big old bottle of boring old bromazepam that would hopefully help me with any impending benzo withdrawals.


love
mettray

 

[negrogesic]

Alcohol does effect the opiate receptors indirectly. Ethanol's metabolite, acetaldehyde, when introduced to dopamine forms tetrahydroisoquinonolone (TIQ), which is a naturally occuring opiate agonist. This is probably why alcohol feels more euphoric than benzos, but alcohol is a toxin to nerve cells and, as a solvent, turns the nerve membranes into a fluid, resulting in the toxic feeling that alcohol causes.

Benzos are a good, essentially non-toxic alternative to alcohol, as diazepam (or librium) is the most common substance used to wean people off of alcohol. This is not to say that benzos are harmless, they are definately have their own set of problems. But they are far more benign than alcohol........

 

[K'dOUTinAZ]

Can benzodiazepines be used as a substitute to alcohol?

Yes they can, but they won't be as exciting or euphoric. Why? Ethanol may act on opiate receptors through its first metabolite, acetaldehyde, which can combine with dopamine to form tetrahydroisoquinonolone (TIQ). This interaction with opiate receptors may be responsible for the euphoric sensation in alcohol intoxication, as well as some of the general anesthetic properties. However, both alcohol and benzodiazepines work by enhancing the effect of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA at post-synaptic receptors. The enhancement of the GABA-A neurotransmitters produces a sedated, relaxing and calm state. When you take an abundance of benzodiazepines you will reach a state of drunken-stupor just as alcohol produces.

If you plan on using benzodiazepines as a substitute to alcohol when going to a club, you may not find it nearly as fun for the reasons mentioned above. It is not as euphoric. Benzodiazepines can enhance social events though as you lose your inhibitions. Some of these benzodiazepines are exclusively prescribed to defeat social phobia.

Benzodiazepines such as diazepam and chlordiazepoxide are used for alcohol detoxification. They help deminish the withdrawl symptoms from alcohol because both of these drugs affect the GABA-A receptors and clam down potential muscle problems such as convulsions, seizures, and DT's. So they are used as a substitute for alcohol in the medical field just as well.

I used to be a very violent alcoholic and quit over time by using benzodiazepines to do so. Great, I'm free from alcohol. This is where my real problems started. I started finding that benzodiazepines such as Xanax and Klonopin to be both very useful and recreational. I started using them all the time for just about every situation and at night I would abuse them to get all drunk, just as alcohol would do to me. I became addicted to benzodiazepines and the addiction to benzodiazepines is just as bad as alcohol addiction. Withdrawls can be deadly...but this has nothing to fo with your question so I'll stop there. Just be careful with your use.

But yes, benzodiazepines can be used as a substitute for alcohol

 

[ebola?]

>>I became addicted to benzodiazepines and the addiction to benzodiazepines is just as bad as alcohol addiction.>>

albiet, not as neurotoxic.

ebola

 

[negrogesic]

Ethanol may act on opiate receptors through its first metabolite, acetaldehyde, which can combine with dopamine to form tetrahydroisoquinonolone (TIQ). This interaction with opiate receptors may be responsible for the euphoric sensation in alcohol intoxication, as well as some of the general anesthetic properties.

You copied and pasted that essentially word for word from a pharmacology website. This is from the website:

Finally, ethanol may act on opiate receptors through its first metabolite, acetaldehyde, which can combine with dopamine to form tetrahydroisoquinonolone (TIQ). This interaction with opiate receptors may be responsible for the euphoric sensation in alcohol intoxication, as well as some of the general anesthetic properties.

That is no coincidence that it is word for word the beginning of what your post. If you are going to use something, please cite the source.

 

[K'dOUTinAZ]

Is there any reason to cite the source? Seems pointless to me. If the information gets across, it gets across. Its not like plagiarism from somebodies novel, I'm not taking credit for it. Just providing information which is what is meant from these websites.

In fact, the website that I got my information used the exact same information from the website that you thought I got my information from...because that was not how it was wordered. This information is meant to be passed down.

 

[vicodelicious]

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