• Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

Opioids Used Nitazenes before? Wanting some community input

toch040

Greenlighter
Joined
Mar 12, 2024
Messages
1
Hey there!
Have you used nitazenes before, either intentionally or unintentionally?
I am running a webinar for the NSW Users and AIDS Association (Australian peer-based harm reduction organisation) on nitazenes, and am looking for some input from people who have used the drug before.
If you're interested in contributing, please contact me at [email protected], or post your experiences in this thread. We could get you to speak on the webinar even if you are interested - the audience is primarily health practioners and peer workers based in NSW.
Thanks!
 
As someone in the scene and medically involved in harm reduction for a good decade plus at this point i can promise you if anyone has or is, they're dead or didnt know what it was. While stories around the world and in America run rampant with people wanting the next best thing for their hit or high and as far as my experience in Australia goes, people were after fentanyl (as niche the group at the time) before any real epidemic was instated bar the old school heroin scare. I however have not heard or seen a similar situation for Nitazenes. BL hasnt does "SWIM" for some time, but my country has no statute of limitations on information I could otherwise provide. Lets just say I KNEW a guy who usto sell it all, the pharmacy would be slower to source, the same person does no longer partake in this life style however is heavily intrenched in the area and people, as far as aware and comes up in conversation. Nitazenes are thankfully still incredibly new and less readily available in Aus.

As for actual current users, not can you not trust them to know or care whats in their supply, they are almost constantly lied to by the dealer, supplier, somewhere along the line if not every bit of the line someones "Stepping on it" watering it down or cutting it. There is a lot to take into account if you really want to refine the data here.
 
Nitazenes are very interesting because they can be designed in all sorts of ways. They are truly "Frankenstein" drugs.
 
The gear I get in Sydney is ok, quality goes up and down, sometimes it's great, but it doesn't "feel" like there is nitazenes in it.
What I mean by this, is that fentanyl puts me on the blink for 30 minutes (the dangerous bit), and then, it is sort of over in a way. You are still stoned but not as stoned as you would be if it was heroin. Just to clarify, I have used fentanyl, but not used heroin with fentanyl in it- that I know of. I am assuming nitazenes would do something similar, and I am not getting that from the gear. Not that I am using very often these days :)
 
I've used heroin, hydromorphone, oxycodone, a few others but the strongest opioid I've touched in around a decade is just 7-OH-Mitragynine, and even that can still induce the homicidal/suicidal behavior that led me to stop using them back when I was terminally ill and constantly in and out of surgery.

Occasionally as a teenager we'd get weird dope, sometimes it was bright colors, and if you eat heroin it doesn't do much since your stomach lyses the acetyl groups off the morphine leaving you with vinegar and morphine HCl, but if you sniff it or drop it under your tongue it works. Sometimes I'd be the one to test the weird shit and even eating it, it often still worked. This was between 2013-2016, and it was probably something like 2MAP or U47700 I'm assuming? We were dumbass teenagers though who didn't care to reagent test a thing.

That same mindset of "I would do ANYTHING not to be dopesick" rn is what leads most addicts into buying whatever "down" they can access. You may have luck sending streetwise people out to go buy dope from randos every 4-6 weeks, then running it through a professional testing laboratory like WEDINOS, if you want to start getting real data on this.

Compounds like 3,6-disubstituted morphinans (heroin, dibenzoylmorphine (the first RC), etc), fentanyl and its countless modified analogs, the countless __zenes and __pynes that could be made, as well as the Bentley compounds are all incredibly potent and can be made by intermediately skilled chemists (say, has a degree and experience but isn't a literal genius). You could almost certainly write a series of Pihkal/Tihkal like books just on a single mu opioid scaffold, let alone all of them together.

Given the recent popularity of O-DSMT and tramadol as well, I'm curious if that's due to availability on DNMs and in Mexico, or if that's due to people genuinely having a taste for opioids that also have (S)NDRI qualities. If that is the case, I'd start combing through peer reviewed academic papers looking for what the next dangerous mu opioid agonist that also features monoamine reuptake inhibition might be. If there's an analog of tramadol with fent's potency, especially if it could be smoked easily (or IV'd without issues), that may be something to look out for too.

Any of those aforementioned skilled chemists with 5 kilos of almond oil (or concentrated vinegar) and a year or two of growing poppies in a 4x8 tent could crank out dibenzoylmorphine, Bentley compounds (___orphine), heroin, etc in their garage. This problem of hyper potent opioids will tragically never go away, the cat's out of the bag imo. The best solution will be focusing on getting people into safer opioids in smarter doses that help them lead happier, more productive lives if that makes sense, and I think everybody here at BL agrees with that. I appreciate the work you're doing for harm reduction a lot.

Sorry for the rant on this, chemistry is a passion of mine and so is helping people, and the opioid crisis is tough. Does a chemist who cares just start growing poppies to convert into pure opium for the lightweights, heroin for the middleweights and Bentley compounds for the heavyweights, to create a safe supply for their community? Then what? How do you keep tolerances down, how do you safely put these in RoAs without hotspots, how do you manufacture enough naloxone to make up for those inevitable mistakes, idk man but it's on my mind a lot.

Thank you again for your work in the harm reduction community, it's genuinely heroic in a plethora of ways.

Edit: Disclaimer for the dumbasses stealing poppies and vinegar after reading this to try making shake and bake dope, you'll kill yourself even attempting this without a serious chem background, and if you had that background you wouldn't need a random BL post to elucidate the requisites for a certain substance like diacetylmorphine, aka heroin.)
 
Hey there!
Have you used nitazenes before, either intentionally or unintentionally?
I am running a webinar for the NSW Users and AIDS Association (Australian peer-based harm reduction organisation) on nitazenes, and am looking for some input from people who have used the drug before.
If you're interested in contributing, please contact me at [email protected], or post your experiences in this thread. We could get you to speak on the webinar even if you are interested - the audience is primarily health practioners and peer workers based in NSW.
Thanks!
I sometimes bought mitonitazene powder. It seemed caustic but the zene blues in my city were the best.
 
Top