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Upper vs. Downer People

This thread is more suitable for 'Drug Culture', so I'm going to send it over there.

BTW, I prefer downers :)

Opiates in particular, and morphine/heroin out of the bunch are my preference. They are interchangeable for me. Heroin has the better rush due to the acetyl groups, but it is a morphine prodrug and you essentially get high on morphine. "Heroin" is simply an ester salt of morphine ("heroin" is morphine diacetate) and a morphine prodrug.

After that, benzodiazepines with temazepam being my overwhelming favorite of them all it's the only truly euphoric benzo, even stated in the FDA trials - temazepam was the only benzodiazepine to produce a 'euphoria' side effect among all benzo's commercialy available in the United States. Nitrazepam is my second favorite, which I find mildly euphoric. Followed by flunitrazepam, triazolam, and diazepam in that order.

I've tried many, many benzo's besides the ones mentioned above including alprazolam (which I'm scripted 1 mg 3x/day for the past 4 years and I find rather boring and not good for anything but anxiety/panic attacks), clonazepam, bromazepam, flurazepam, estazolam, chlordiazepoxide, clorazepate, midazolam, oxazepam, lorazepam, prazepam, bentazepam, nordazepam, and halazepam.

I'm interested in next trying lormetazepam (close relative of temazepam), loprazolam, nimetazepam, flutoprazepam, and brotizolam.
 
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Used to be uppers, then I got sick of the sketchiness and the intense comedowns around the same time I started using more and more opiates, now I use opiates almost exclusively.

I just prefer the warm natural feel to the high and the relative ease of the aftereffects, opiates just don't feel like they take the same toll on you that stims (in particular, meth) do.

Funny thing is I'm fairly impartial to other downers. Benzos I'll take if I need to relax a little or if I'm bored and they're offered, but I don't usually seek them out. I'll drink alcohol as a social thing, or in combination with other drugs, but after opiates, it's hard to get excited about a drug as boring and uncomfortable as booze.

If MDMA was available in my country I'd still use it regularly, if you want to call that a stimulant, but otherwise opiates all the way.
 
depends. If some one had a handful of OCs in one hand and a handful of clean ass e-pills, i'd probably take the e-pills.
but like crankinit said, comedowns off uppers suck dick (which is why you "cancel" them out with a downer :] )
 
Crankinit said:
Used to be uppers, then I got sick of the sketchiness and the intense comedowns around the same time I started using more and more opiates, now I use opiates almost exclusively.

I just prefer the warm natural feel to the high and the relative ease of the aftereffects, opiates just don't feel like they take the same toll on you that stims (in particular, meth) do.

Funny thing is I'm fairly impartial to other downers. Benzos I'll take if I need to relax a little or if I'm bored and they're offered, but I don't usually seek them out. I'll drink alcohol as a social thing, or in combination with other drugs, but after opiates, it's hard to get excited about a drug as boring and uncomfortable as booze.

If MDMA was available in my country I'd still use it regularly, if you want to call that a stimulant, but otherwise opiates all the way.
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I traded my morphine/heroin habit with methamphetamine and dextroamphetamine for a year and it was the worst in year my entire drug abuse career (almost 13 years). I started using heroin young at 19, but didn't begin using the needle until I was 20 (2 months before my 21th birthday). So I've had a long drug career.
 
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kokaino said:
This thread is more suitable for 'Drug Culture', so I'm going to send it over there.

BTW, I prefer downers :)

Opiates in particular, and morphine/heroin out of the bunch are my preference. They are interchangeable for me. Heroin has the better rush due to the acetyl groups, but it is a morphine prodrug and you essentially get high on morphine. "Heroin" is simply an ester salt of morphine ("heroin" is morphine diacetate) and a morphine prodrug.

After that, benzodiazepines with temazepam being my overwhelming favorite of them all it's the only truly euphoric benzo, even stated in the FDA trials - temazepam was the only benzodiazepine to produce a 'euphoria' side effect among all benzo's commercialy available in the United States. Nitrazepam is my second favorite, which I find mildly euphoric. Followed by flunitrazepam, triazolam, and diazepam in that order.

I've tried many, many benzo's besides the ones mentioned above including alprazolam (which I'm scripted 1 mg 3x/day for the past 4 years and I find rather boring and not good for anything but anxiety/panic attacks), clonazepam, bromazepam, flurazepam, estazolam, chlordiazepoxide, clorazepate, midazolam, oxazepam, lorazepam, prazepam, bentazepam, nordazepam, and halazepam.

I'm interested in next trying lormetazepam (close relative of temazepam), loprazolam, nimetazepam, flutoprazepam, and brotizolam.
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Interesting point about temazepam. I found a almost full bottle of it before, it was legit and i tried up to 5 15mgs at a time, with little to no results. benzos never really get me tho, not even xanx. Like they make me a little tired but NO euphoria, could this be because my grandparents and mom have been on benzos for decades due to panic attacs??
 
Neither. They either make me feel cracked out or just plain tired (and in the case of alcohol, sick as a dog).

Psyches are where it's at in my opinion.
 
downers all the way, fucking hate uppers these days, my love for them ended when i was 18
 
Yeah, like most people in here, I use to like uppers when I was younger & never liked the downer feeling back then. How time & age changes how you perceive drugs. Now its all about the downers. I hate uppers now but would still take one of those "legal" speed pills like Neuro Blast by London Underground if it was still available, unfortunately the company stopped making them, grr.....

Meh.....give me an opiate any day of the week anyway!
 
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Interesting point about temazepam. I found a almost full bottle of it before, it was legit and i tried up to 5 15mgs at a time, with little to no results. benzos never really get me tho, not even xanx. Like they make me a little tired but NO euphoria, could this be because my grandparents and mom have been on benzos for decades due to panic attacs??
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No it has nothing to do with your mom or grandparents having been on benzo's for panic attacks. Everybody is different. Believe it or not, some people didn't find Quaaludes (methaqualone) or pentobarbital (Nembutal) and secobarbital (Seconal) euphoric or anything special back in their days. Some just found them good as suicide pills and that's it. GABAnergic drugs can have drastically varied effects from person to person.

Temazepam caused a widespread epidemic of abuse in the '80's and '90's in Europe, Australia, and many parts of Asia and even South Africa. Temazepam abuse is still common in all those places, but nothing like what it was back then. They had the notorious "jelly" variety of temazepam which were legally prescribed for insomnia. Now temazepam is officially indicated for severe to debilitating insomnia and to be prescribed only when all other treatments been exhausted, according to the International Prescribing Guideline. However, it was being prescribed in the millions in Europe as a first-line agent because it was a particularly effective hypnotic. Doctors obviously didn't realize temazepam's deep abuse potential even when compared to most other benzo's, so they were widely prescribed.

All of a sudden death rates began to escalate in Europe, especially in the UK and particularly in Scotland. Not just there, but elsewhere aswell - Sweden, the Netherlands, Finland, Norway, parts of Germany, and where ever temazepam was available on prescription. Deaths in Scotland as a result of drug OD reached record levels - the majority of the deaths were combinations of temazepam and heroin, or temazepam and alcohol or other CNS depressants. Temazepam taken alone as a single agent overdoses were also common - suicides and accidentals. In some years in Scotland, temazepam overdoses (taken alone) surpassed that of cocaine overdoses The "jelly" variety was being injected for a quick rush, which temazepam produces a high in 3 seconds as the drug is extremely lipid soluble and quick acting - crossing the BBB very, very rapidly. It was so addictive that people who got amputations because of it, continued to inject it only to get more amputations. Here is a quote from the Ashton Manual:

The severity of the addiction which can develop to temazepam is illustrated by the case of a temazepam injector who needed his leg amputated but was later admitted for a second amputation since he had continued injecting into his remaining leg (Parrott 1995). A second subject, following a leg amputation, injected temazepam gel into his eye, resulting in bilateral blindness.
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Ashton Manual

Today, under international law temazepam is a Schedule III substance under the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which is a United Nations treaty of which 175 nations are party to. The only other Schedule III benzo's internationally are flunitrazepam and nimetazepam. The rest are all Schedule IV.
Check it out here.

In the UK, temazepam is a Schedule 3 under the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001. However, although technically a Schedule 3, temazepam is treated as a Class A controlled drug in practice (i.e. storage, dispensing, prescription writing format, etc.). The only other Schedule 3 benzo's in the UK are flunitrazepam and midazolam (this one was recently added), but they don't require the special restrictions which are placed for temazepam.

In Asia, Singapore for example, temazepam is listed as a Class A (Schedule I) drug in the Misuse of Drugs Act of Singapore, which means that offences in relation to the drug attract the most severe level of punishment. A conviction for unauthorized manufacture of the drug attracts a minimum sentence of ten years' imprisonment and corporal punishment of five strokes of the cane, and a maximum sentence of life imprisonment or 30 years' imprisonment and 15 strokes of the cane. The minimum and maximum penalties for unauthorized trafficking in the drug are respectively five years' imprisonment and five strokes of the cane, and 20 years' imprisonment and 15 strokes of the cane. The only other drug in the same Class and Schedule is nimetazepam.

In Thailand, is a Schedule II controlled drug under the Psychotropic Substances Act. Possession and distribution of the drug is illegal and penalties for possession or smuggling are very severe. The only other benzo's in this Schedule in Thailand are flunitrazepam, nimetazepam, and triazolam.

In Europe and across the world, the "jelly" variety of temazepam has been banned pretty much everywhere. However, it is now being manufactured illicitly in clandestine labs, mostly in Eastern Europe and China for the European, Australian, and Asian drug markets. Nine temazepam seizures (which were en route to Western Europe), equalling 1,430,231 capsules of the "jelly" variety, between July and December 2005 were recorded in Turkey. These are clandestinely made, so they aren't 10 mg or 20 mg capsules - we don't know how potent they are. They can each be packed with a 100 mg of temazepam, who knows?

Later in 1993, studies were done in Britain, which were corroborated by other studies in Australia, Ireland and Scandinavia that found temazepam to be the most toxic benzo with a fatal toxicity index of 11.9, which was higher than some indices for tricyclic antidepressants and equal to some barbiturates.

That came from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), 2006b. Bi-annual temazepam seizure report 2005/2, April 2006, UNODC in Vienna.
 
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I love amphetamines + downers.

I don't really feel a lot of pleasure from downers, I really just take them to take the edge off of stimulant anxiety. It makes me have the ability to talk and read social situations with ease without worrying too much about random paranoid mood swings.
 
Downers all the way. Shitty comedowns and not being able to fall asleep blows; then there's the whole psychosis issue you get with coke/mdma/other amphetamines and stimulant RC's.
 
Tried 2-FA (fluoro-amphetamine), and liked it a lot. The comedown is so smooth you come to enjoy it.

Anyway I'm a downer guy all the way. Opiates, benzos and other less known downers.
 
opis are both depends on person i get energy and a mood that allows me to work and get shit done...uppers i cant find my ass w/2hands and a floodlite...cant function...slowed down..makes you speedy and take things slow...i like methadone and mdpv when i gotta work...its my speedball doc
 
kokaino said:
No it has nothing to do with your mom or grandparents having been on benzo's for panic attacks. Everybody is different. Believe it or not, some people didn't find Quaaludes (methaqualone) or pentobarbital (Nembutal) and secobarbital (Seconal) euphoric or anything special back in their days. Some just found them good as suicide pills and that's it. GABAnergic drugs can have drastically varied effects from person to person.

Temazepam caused a widespread epidemic of abuse in the '80's and '90's in Europe, Australia, and many parts of Asia and even South Africa. Temazepam abuse is still common in all those places, but nothing like what it was back then. They had the notorious "jelly" variety of temazepam which were legally prescribed for insomnia. Now temazepam is officially indicated for severe to debilitating insomnia and to be prescribed only when all other treatments been exhausted, according to the International Prescribing Guideline. However, it was being prescribed in the millions in Europe as a first-line agent because it was a particularly effective hypnotic. Doctors obviously didn't realize temazepam's deep abuse potential even when compared to most other benzo's, so they were widely prescribed.

All of a sudden death rates began to escalate in Europe, especially in the UK and particularly in Scotland. Not just there, but elsewhere aswell - Sweden, the Netherlands, Finland, Norway, parts of Germany, and where ever temazepam was available on prescription. Deaths in Scotland as a result of drug OD reached record levels - the majority of the deaths were combinations of temazepam and heroin, or temazepam and alcohol or other CNS depressants. Temazepam taken alone as a single agent overdoses were also common - suicides and accidentals. In some years in Scotland, temazepam overdoses (taken alone) surpassed that of cocaine overdoses The "jelly" variety was being injected for a quick rush, which temazepam produces a high in 3 seconds as the drug is extremely lipid soluble and quick acting - crossing the BBB very, very rapidly. It was so addictive that people who got amputations because of it, continued to inject it only to get more amputations. Here is a quote from the Ashton Manual:



ashbzab.jpg


Ashton Manual

Today, under international law temazepam is a Schedule III substance under the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which is a United Nations treaty of which 175 nations are party to. The only other Schedule III benzo's internationally are flunitrazepam and nimetazepam. The rest are all Schedule IV.
Check it out here.

In the UK, temazepam is a Schedule 3 under the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001. However, although technically a Schedule 3, temazepam is treated as a Class A controlled drug in practice (i.e. storage, dispensing, prescription writing format, etc.). The only other Schedule 3 benzo's in the UK are flunitrazepam and midazolam (this one was recently added), but they don't require the special restrictions which are placed for temazepam.

In Asia, Singapore for example, temazepam is listed as a Class A (Schedule I) drug in the Misuse of Drugs Act of Singapore, which means that offences in relation to the drug attract the most severe level of punishment. A conviction for unauthorized manufacture of the drug attracts a minimum sentence of ten years' imprisonment and corporal punishment of five strokes of the cane, and a maximum sentence of life imprisonment or 30 years' imprisonment and 15 strokes of the cane. The minimum and maximum penalties for unauthorized trafficking in the drug are respectively five years' imprisonment and five strokes of the cane, and 20 years' imprisonment and 15 strokes of the cane. The only other drug in the same Class and Schedule is nimetazepam.

In Thailand, is a Schedule II controlled drug under the Psychotropic Substances Act. Possession and distribution of the drug is illegal and penalties for possession or smuggling are very severe. The only other benzo's in this Schedule in Thailand are flunitrazepam, nimetazepam, and triazolam.

In Europe and across the world, the "jelly" variety of temazepam has been banned pretty much everywhere. However, it is now being manufactured illicitly in clandestine labs, mostly in Eastern Europe and China for the European, Australian, and Asian drug markets. Nine temazepam seizures (which were en route to Western Europe), equalling 1,430,231 capsules of the "jelly" variety, between July and December 2005 were recorded in Turkey. These are clandestinely made, so they aren't 10 mg or 20 mg capsules - we don't know how potent they are. They can each be packed with a 100 mg of temazepam, who knows?

Later in 1993, studies were done in Britain, which were corroborated by other studies in Australia, Ireland and Scandinavia that found temazepam to be the most toxic benzo with a fatal toxicity index of 11.9, which was higher than some indices for tricyclic antidepressants and equal to some barbiturates.

That came from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), 2006b. Bi-annual temazepam seizure report 2005/2, April 2006, UNODC in Vienna.
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Why in the FUCK would you inject pillz into your EYE? What the fuck man do you even have any fucking arteries in your eye wtf????
Any way yea, i did plenty of research on temazepam before i did it(as i do with ALL drugs) but yea i took about 75 mgs and basically nothing so yea, benzos just not for me. but all the other downers yea their cool.

Id like to try some psychs too but they arent easy to come by round here.
And i would assume that MOST people like opiates. Not all just most since they are so fucking pleasurable and addicting and shit.
 
I love downers but the reason I prefer them is because I'm a natural tweaker. Honestly I always feel energized and I'm usually always awake. Right now I've been up for over 24 hours and I haven't even used any drugs. I also enjoy psychedelics, mdma and cannabis. Maybe I would enjoy uppers more if I didn't feel like I was already taking them.... Usually if I do take uppers I just get really paranoid and on downers I'm pretty chill.
 
I find it very interesting, what different peoples DOCs are.

Do you guys consider alcohol to be a downer in the sense that opiates or benzos or barbs are downers? Just wondering, because I love opiates and muscle relaxants n stuff (I also happen to suffer from chronic pain) but I don't enjoy getting drunk very often. Most of the time I get antisocial and introspective in an all around negative way. People start to bother me by asking me whats wrong and stuff because I seem antisocial, which then causes a vicious cycle where I think about seeming too antisocial and then I get mad that I drank because it is the reason I am so depressed or down or whatever. It's pretty shitty.

Anyway, I like uppers but only for working out, or daytime use. I don't like the side effects of adderall (mostly the sweating and sometimes after being on it for a few days I'll start to get headaches). I have never done a bump of coke bigger than a capital "O" but when I did do the bump I did enjoy it alot (I also know it was really good coke) and I wanted to do more but I just wouldn't..I've never tried X/Molly/MDMA or meth or crack or any stimulants other than adderall and ritalin and caffeine. I've been offered free coke before and turned it down just because "I don't do coke." but I dunno, I've never actively sought out any uppers for any reason, they just don't really appeal to me. The only one I would really try is MDMA, and that's only if it was free.

I have spent lots of time acquiring/using opiates though. I also sought to soak up every bit of pharmacological and chemistry related knowledge I could about them. For some reason they just fascinated me, not just the way they feel but the way they work too, so much so that I am thinking about getting a degree medicinal chemistry/synthetic chemistry and neuropharmacology. The fact that they could help change some peoples lives so drastically. I can also tell you that the quality of my life is maintained by hydrocodone. Without it I wouldn't be able to get out of bed every day, sleep every night, or enjoy myself while doing something that is supposed to be fun. They save my life and I don't know if that's the reason they're so interesting to me, but I spend alot of my free time looking up the pharmacology of various opiates and the chemistry behind which they are made.
 
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