I think people's problem is that The Dark Side is for people who are actually trying to recover, stop getting high, and work towards a healthy lifestyle.
"People's problem"? Don't you mean "My problem" (as in YOURS)?
Don't try to displace responsibility onto other people, claiming they (which includes me) have a problem, when you are the only one I see bitching right now.
Also, where in the TDS guidelines does it say this forum is for "trying to recover, to stop getting high, and working towards a healthy lifestyle"? You are talking about your own goals, and it makes me think you haven't even really read the TDS guidelines.
And wtf, if everyone in TDS was getting clean and sober in the first place shouldn't it be called TBS? The Bright Side? overidealized forum of yours sounds like a happy place, TDS is not a happy place. You have people here with drug addictions who have merely become aware that it is a PROBLEM. You also have people with mental disorders who could care less about "recovering", they use the forum mainly to vent their issues.
You don't have to stop getting high to post here, nor do you even need to work towards a healthy lifestyle, if you did, there'd be a whole 3 people on this entire forum.
Being on methadone, while staying away from other drugs and NOT using it as a means to get high (you state yourself you get high taking it plus the benzos) would be no problem.
Again let's get this bs straight. Your wording implies things that it should not. Don't write "would be no problem", WRITE, "would be no problem with me".
Jake slipped up and said one time he was nodding out from his methadone. I'm sure this happens everyday, but he knows enough not to mention it here everyday. The truth is though, almost everyone in his position who was just put on methadone, is likely feeling the same exact way (we've got to reach that anti-craving dose or everyone will relapse!! lol). Is it stupid? Of course, does it give you any right in the world to single Jake out? No way.
And what exactly classifies as a "high"? I tend to believe there's a lot of people "getting clean" on sub in this same exact forum who are also getting high. SHOOTING THE SHIT for christs sake (when its not even prescribed for that use, isn't THAT "breaking guidelines"?). People taking 24mg of it who just stopped a 1 bag a day dope habit. I call ANY improvement in mood due to a drug a "high". And theres TONS of other people on this forum on either sub or methadone who I consider to be getting high everyday.. who also think they're clean. We usually try not to talk about sub in that manner, but you're still getting high of the shit regardless. No you're not nodding your face off, but you still feel good on it, that’s a HIGH. Same as a great deal of methadone patients.. just that with meth you can actually nod.
And remember, "would be no problem" FOR YOU.
But it seems like you want to avoid the legal issues, but still want all the "good times" that come with nodding out all day and getting high...which is still living in the addictive lifestyle and mindset and NOT in the long run bringing you anywhere close to recovering.
Who doesn't want to avoid legal issues?
Is that wrong or something?
Don't tell me that what you are actually saying here is "its wrong for Jake to try avoiding legal problems if he's still getting high… but if he's not getting high then he's allowed to actually focus on it… cause I give him my permission". I honestly have no idea what you're saying there but it sounds pretty close to that.
And don't expect me to believe for a second that there's not about a million people in recovery this second who are CLEAN and presently obsessing about the "good times". That’s the whole point of being an addict.
Also, how is Jakes "lifestyle" taking him further away from recovering?
Is he driving an hour away to the ghetto everyday to cop dope? Buying syringes and slamming that shit like its going out of style? No. In fact, he's not even using dope anymore… wouldn't a rational mind say that IS actually closer to recovering?
Eventually you'll hit the clinics ceiling dose, not get high any more which you seem to be after, and probally find other means to get high again, unless you start making positive changes in your life.
Thank you psychic Sylvia Brown.
I was looking to invest in some stock for the holidayz, and since you're so kindly helping Jake out here, would you mind helping me too?
Don't expect nothing to change going the route you're taking, it's just a matter of time. Plus it's triggering to people who do want to get better to have this thread in the Dark Side since he's just being on methadone and benzos to get high, only cause it's legal?
This was the best. You are right I read through this entire thread as a drug addict and completely missed out on the fact that Jake was "triggering" people.
You HAVE TO BE kidding me? What was it the one single comment he wrote about how he was "nodding"?
You're right, because guess what? Just writing this response to you I could feel all the self control I once had slip between my fingers. The word "nodding" is a real bitch man let me tell you. I have 10lbs of dope I was forced to go cop just for writing that shit and now I can blame Jake for it… right? WRONG.
If that was genuinely "triggering", then I'll tell you what, your ENTIRE post was "triggering". Look how many times you wrote the word "high", it makes me want to get high just by reading it. Same way you're actually trying to imply that Jake is triggering us. Lets not forget what triggering really is, its an excuse to use and blame something other than yourself. By buying into the whole concept of triggering, you buy into the fact that you're just an irresponsible drug addict… kind of a catch 22 eh? Only way you don't get triggered is by realizing you are responsible for 100% of your own behavior, NOT words, not pictures, not smells, YOU.
But don't expect me for a second to believe that other addicts will actually believe that. "Wait BO, do you mean to tell me if I smell pot then go relapse and smoke a whole pound it was **MY** fault…. And not the smells fault?! You see where I'm going with this? Does triggering exist? Sure. Is it more an excuse than anything? Absofreakinglutely.
Like that somehow changes anything or makes it better for him...please! I find it insulting how you ask people here who are trying to recover how to lie to the clinic and use other peoples urine to pass drug tests because you dont want to follow their guidelines..Idk why this thread is even open based on all these things.
I find YOU INSULTING. ***YOU ARE INSULTING**
Jake didn't ask a single g/damn person here how to use urine to beat a test. YOU talk about HIM "lying" to a clinic? You're the biggest hypocrite in here. You are straight lying your ass off right now to everyone just to make a point.
And I love how you wrote "because you don't want to follow their guidelines" What deceptive bs language that is. Yeh sure you're right that’s EXACTLY why Jake is passing urines off, BECAUSE (as you said) "he doesn't want to follow their guidelines".
That had NOTHING in the world to do with him wanting to break rules, and everything to do with the fact that he obviously needed help, and made a merely unethical judgement call.
The REAL reason Jake likely did that (and not because he's some defiant criminal) is because he senses intuitively that by having a consistent methadone source, he is MORE LIKELY to distance himself from heroin. Why didn't you write that as the "because"? Oh I know, cause it didn't support your point.
Same way you don't know why this thread is open, I don't know why you are allowed to outright lie, manipulate & twist words around just to make an already fragile addict feel even more fragile. Why else would you blatantly lie about him asking for advice on how to beat urines? He asked questions *pertaining to urines, but moreso WHAT WOULD HAPPEN if he was ever caught. He never once insinuated about the process, and whats even more disgusting about your comment is he did all this crap BEFORE he even came here making a post about it. Therefore there was not even a NEED for him to lie about what you lied about in the first place.
The last 4 pages have been nothing but Jake obsessing and asking the same questions over and over again while ignoring people's advice anyway.
You are just a rude asshole.
Jake has both OCD and generalized anxiety disorder.
If Jake suffered from major depression, and I had came into his thread and said "all Jake does is cry and talk about how depressed he is when he refuses listen to anyones advice and just get happy" I WOULD BE BANNED from this forum in about 5 seconds flat. I can't believe you are actually scrutinizing another person for having a psychological disorder, how would you feel if I did that to one of your family members? You'd prob wanna punch me in the face for the idiot I was.
Please, if you do not like this thread, STAY OUT of it. You have done EVERYTHING you have just accused Jake of times 1000, and if you wanna talk about what's "insulting" to other people, your post is insulting.