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unattractive if girl has had more sex partners than you?

Amusing how far we have all taken this (myself included) without a single word from the original poster that I can see!

Anyway, I think there are enough males who have posted that they often share this view to indicate to the poster that it is a widespread feeling. I will conceed however that maybe it comes more down to personal values than it does evolution, though im still sure it played a part.

We seem to have two main camps here, a group of girls who are trying to defend their right to shag, and a group of guys who are being honest and admitting this is how they feel. I must say I really dont like girls trying to explain a relatively fundamental male instinct any more than you lot would accept a guy telling you that its easy to get over ur pms and stop being a bitch, or another female emotional state we cant really relate to.

You have all made one very big flaw in your assumptions. And that is that people like archie and myself have double standards with regards to this issue. I have often found myself intentionally slowing down the increase of numbers, and was questioning myself when i slept with 4 girls in 3 months once. My total figure is 8, only one 1 night stand which was fun and an experience I would deny anyone. Ive also had fuck buddies. I have the view that one day I am going to have to explain this to someone important to me and I want to keep the figure in an area that someone with similar values to myself will find acceptable.

As for how much it bothers me, i think its safe to say its never going to be a deal breaker, everyone has a past and i can accept that but I also think that this "insignificant figure" has much more bearing on their current character than people give it credit for. As an extremely generalised guideline 0-3, would be nice if it was higher to remove some of the curiousity fairnymph spoke of. 4-12, all cool with me, up around 12 i'd be curious as to the situations around all of them, 13-20, now you really have to start making up for this in other personallity traits, you respect sex less than me, i think sex is something you shoudl typically share with someone you care about, and no one can say they cared about that many people. 21+ Sorry but now im thinking you value sex less than you would a hug, chances are there are going to be too many other value differences for this to work.
 
Aknum said:

Anyway, I think there are enough males who have posted that they often share this view to indicate to the poster that it is a widespread feeling. I will conceed however that maybe it comes more down to personal values than it does evolution, though im still sure it played a part.

We seem to have two main camps here, a group of girls who are trying to defend their right to shag, and a group of guys who are being honest and admitting this is how they feel. I must say I really dont like girls trying to explain a relatively fundamental male instinct any more than you lot would accept a guy telling you that its easy to get over ur pms and stop being a bitch, or another female emotional state we cant really relate to.

If you'll look back, you'll notice that all the guys that disagree left VERY short posts. I'd wager that there are MANY more who disagree with this stance but didn't bother themselves to reply because this topic is so inane. They are comfortable enough to not give a shit.

And there is a huge difference between this topic and a woman having PMS. Having PMS is a direct hormonal change that women can't control. Men passing moral judgment on women is a DECISION rooted in their own (warped) values system, having NOTHING to do with biology. *Thinking* in the back of one's mind that a so-called promiscuous woman is somewhat less desirable may be an instinctual reaction in SOME men, but making the decision to deride her and call her a slut is nothing short of rude and hopelessly immature - not to mention a sure sign of insecurity.

And i'll ask my previous question again, and make my remark that all of you women-haters (yes, I'm calling you women-haters) out there so nicely ignored. What's the difference between a woman who sleeps with 5 men in 5 long term relationships and a woman who sleeps with 5 men in 5 weeks? When you're looking simply at the number, you're proving that you're shallow and insecure - and few, if any of you, have made the distinction between quality and quantity of sexual acts. Sure, if a woman fucks 25 guys in three years, I'll begin to question her motives too, but I guess that's even a pre-emptive statement - still almost no one here is tacking on the "in how many years" qualifier. Twenty five guys over the course of ten years still allows plenty of time for committed relationships with each person she slept with.
 
think sex is something you shoudl typically share with someone you care about, and no one can say they cared about that many people.
Now that's just downright silly. I've had the odd one night stand, I've had fuck buddies, I've fucked friends, I've had relationships. I've cared about ALL of these people.

Have you ever considered that maybe some people are inherently more caring and affectionate, and like to show that through sex?
 
It just occurred to me that me and my SO haven't even exchanged this info with each other, and I don't particularly care either.

I think if you can honestly say that you're not embarrassed of admitting to who you've slept with then it shouldn't be an issue.
 
kittyinthedark said:
And there is a huge difference between this topic and a woman having PMS. Having PMS is a direct hormonal change that women can't control.


Oh, so PMS excuses everything - meanwhile us guys have to contend with being pumped full of testosterone everyday, but god help us if we act on it.

but making the decision to deride her and call her a slut is nothing short of rude and hopelessly immature


I won't call someone a slut aloud, I keep those thoughts to myself. In this thread we were ASKED for our opinions - do you want us to lie to make you feel better about yourself?

make my remark that all of you women-haters (yes, I'm calling you women-haters) out there so nicely ignored

So I'm a woman hater now? you are nothing but a shallow angry bitch with no respect for anyone elses beliefs.

My religious beliefs certainly do not make me a woman hater, and my girlfriend shares the same beliefs - is she a woman hater too?
 
fairnymph said:
Have you ever considered that maybe some people are inherently more caring and affectionate, and like to show that through sex?

It doesn't make you any more caring and affectionate, it just means you're incapable of expressing that without opening your legs.

(and yes that sounds harsh, but calling the rest of us less affectionate is just stupid.)
 
Well, neither my gf nor myself is a women hater.

Funny how it's implied that we are just because we have some sort of moral values.
 
I have plenty of values, and I'm not judging you for yours. I disagree with your opinion of what a slut is, not with your values system. I agree 100% with you that people shouldn't just go around sleeping with anyone. I've only ever had 5 partners - two of them were in VERY committed relationships, one was a monogamous fuckbuddy arrangement (we may as well have been dating), and the other two were in a well-planned sexual adventure. Suffice it to say I've turned down plenty of offers, even when my hormones told me I wanted to take them.

I am not an angry bitch either. I find this thread hilarious. :)

And please, tell me where *I'M* being shallow.... 8)
 
archie said:
Well, neither my gf nor myself is a women hater.

Funny how it's implied that we are just because we have some sort of moral values.

funny how you imply that anyone who's opinion differs to yours lacks morals.... How christian!
 
You're shallow because you seem to have assumed that I'm sort of woman hating bigot for disagreeing with you.
 
did i ever say your name? and did i say all?

You make a lot of assumptions and do a lot of shouting for someone who claims to be secure in his beliefs.
 
swifty said:
funny how you imply that anyone who's opinion differs to yours lacks morals.... How christian!

I don't imply that at all, you can still have morals and not be christian.

How stupid!
 
Not at all, I think said something more along the lines of "if you sleep around a lot outside of relationships, you lack morals"

Christianity or lack there of has nothing to do with it.
 
well what you're saying is that people who don't confine their sexual endeavours to 4 people or less lack morals, that's coming across pretty clearly and you can dispute that.

Does it make you feel less special being number 5 or 6 or what, does having more partners take away the intimacy of sex?? or do you just feel insecure because you wanted that intimacy all to yourself and you can't get the image of another man being in the same position as you are now out of your head everytime you have sex with that person??
 
LOL... I'm thorougly enjoying this debate, and I say that with no sarcasm whatsoever. This thread is quality.

Just wanted to say a couple of things:

1. No more name calling. Period. That means everyone.

2. Thanks everyone for being honest and forthright... because someone disagrees does not invalidate your contribution. I'm sure none of us are looking for everyone to agree (and we probably won't), just perhaps striving for their point of view to be acknowleged. That's what a "discussion" forum such as this is all about.

carry on.
 
kittyinthedark said:

And i'll ask my previous question again, and make my remark that all of you women-haters (yes, I'm calling you women-haters) out there so nicely ignored. What's the difference between a woman who sleeps with 5 men in 5 long term relationships and a woman who sleeps with 5 men in 5 weeks? When you're looking simply at the number, you're proving that you're shallow and insecure - and few, if any of you, have made the distinction between quality and quantity of sexual acts. Sure, if a woman fucks 25 guys in three years, I'll begin to question her motives too, but I guess that's even a pre-emptive statement - still almost no one here is tacking on the "in how many years" qualifier. Twenty five guys over the course of ten years still allows plenty of time for committed relationships with each person she slept with.

Sure, I agree completely. If you read my latest post you will see that i directly take all that into consideration. Ive also said I wont completely rule a girl out based on it, it just has a bearing on my overall view of the person with respect to her being the type of girl I want to go out with.

Your entire post just then says that you also will begin to make judgements based on how many people a girl sleeps with. 25 in 3 years is probably not all that huge for a lot of people, and yet there are probably people in this post right now who have exceeded that rate at some point and are wondering why people may question it.

You completely just validated my points, everyone has this at the back of their mind just different people have different understandings of what is acceptable. Yours is 25 in 3 years, other might thing 100 in 3 years and a small amount of people may set no limit. So what are we argueing about here? The notion that this emotion exists and how acceptable it is? or what rate of shagging we consider acceptable.

How do u know the posters gf hasnt shagged 25 ppl in 3 years?
 
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