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UK's new internet laws, are we going to lose our anonymity, and become as heavily censored and monitored as China, North Korea, Russia etc?

Perkins : Reborn said:
Apparently there were 1675 non-suicide firearm deaths in the US in 2024 alone.

In the same period, there were 30 in England and Wales.
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Not really fair, obviously if guns are hard to get in Britain, some deaths that would have been gun deaths become knife or hammer deaths

There's also the fact that gun laws in Britain were very loose until the mid 20th century, and we didn't have anywhere near the amount of gun deaths that America has, America is more violent in general for various reasons
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
Not really fair, obviously if guns are hard to get in Britain, some deaths that would have been gun deaths become knife or hammer deaths

There's also the fact that gun laws in Britain were very loose until the mid 20th century, and we didn't have anywhere near the amount of gun deaths that America has, America is more violent in general for various reasons
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I'm talking 2024 figures, so how do British gun laws from seventy years ago have any relevance?

Surely the difference between thirty and 1675 is significant?
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Apparently there were 1675 non-suicide firearm deaths in the US in 2024 alone.

In the same period, there were 30 in England and Wales.
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Colleagues give emotional on-air goodbye after sports reporter dies in suspected murder-suicide [From People Magazine (national paper) online, local reporter who was murdered]
Pastor Husband Charged For Allegedly Harassing, Posting Nude Photo of Wife Mica Miller Before She Died By Suicide [From New York Post (national paper) Sports]
These are both online versions of the "national news" magazine and paper, but still really national media outlets.
However, I did use Yahoo news aggregator to get ahold of them, so that's another strike against me.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
I'm talking 2024 figures, so how do British gun laws from seventy years ago have any relevance?

Surely the difference between thirty and 1675 is significant?
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If gun laws were loose here seventy years ago, and there wasn't a lot of gun murder, it indicates that loose gun laws MIGHT not be the main factor at play

Yes, 1675 is bigger than 30 obviously, I got a C in A Level Maths so can confirm this. But you need to take population size into account, and look at how many of those murders would still have been committed by other means if guns were not easily available.
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
If gun laws were loose here seventy years ago, and there wasn't a lot of gun murder, it indicates that loose gun laws MIGHT not be the main factor at play

Yes, 1675 is bigger than 30 obviously, I got a C in A Level Maths so can confirm this. But you need to take population size into account, and look at how many of those murders would still have been committed by other means if guns were not easily available.
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And if your aunty had bollocks...

Gun laws have been well in place since 1920. We've had three mass shootings (double figures) since 1765 at least.
 
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abefourth said:
Based on two of your comments you guys in the UK must be getting your google feeds straight from hell. I just now searched for mary jane. seen 50-100 results in a manner of seconds and not 1 from pinterest or instagram. Maybe I'm an idiot and using the wrong search term to stake my claim. Out of an image search for "scary makeup looks" the first 100 results have about 7 pinterest or instagram results. Tongue-in-cheek search of "heroin chic" returns 100 results + and only 1 instagram result.
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I may have been exaggerating a bit, but the overall impression absolutely is that google search and google image search especially is nowhere near as good as it used to be.

Both are now massively limited, shrunken, curtailed, etc etc compared to what they used to be.

IIRC you'd get endless pages of results, now the results stop after 2 pages or so. And half the first page is paid for sponsored results, and adverts, so it really is bad.

It's a process called "enshitification" and we are getting served it big time, in so many aspects of life these days.

Surely things were supposed to go the other way.

But it seems that we peaked in everything, some time ago.

In terms of the internet, the golden era was the noughties imo.

In terms of general standard of living and quality and enjoyment of life, much harder to say. But once again the noughties were definitely much better in terms of cost of living. And not feeling like you've literally paid half a days wages or more just for a few very basic provisions, to keep you going for the next couple of days, sandwiches for work lunches, evening meals etc.

Even newer cars these days are far shitter than they were 15 years ago. There is just so much that can go wrong that even a minor bump can result in a new car needing to be written of, as they are no longer cost effective to fix, due to the increasing complexity of all the electronic technical driver assistance that is now added, like it or not. Many believe that cars peaked around 15 years ago, in terms of affordability, reliability, performance, and repairability. And I absolutely agree with that. The main dealers are stitching everyone up with propriety codes etc meaning everything now has to go through them with post 2020 cars, and they charge about 3 times as much as independent small back street garages etc.

Before I was even born I gather than the 1950s were the last proper boom decade. Probably hence my grandparents having 4 children, and that being the norm, and they still had plenty of money, a nice big house, although my Grandfather did have a successful career. My childhood in the 70s and 80s was pretty idyllic, at least in parts, although I gather things were very hard economically for many during those decades.

In terms of personal freedoms and privacy, the future looks very bleak indeed. It's just as well I don't have anything major to be concerned about, but that's not the point.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Apparently there were 1675 non-suicide firearm deaths in the US in 2024 alone.

In the same period, there were 30 in England and Wales.
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According to the scottish government's website there were no homicides involving guns in 2024-2025
45 homicides in total and 12 fewer than the previous year
I guess it's hard to shoot and kill someone when guns are only in the hands of persons who are strictly regulated
A guy I do work for had his licence revoked due to a messy break up with his wife who had accused him of psychological domestic abuse.
 
lost weekend said:
According to the scottish government's website there were no homicides involving guns in 2024-2025
45 homicides in total and 12 fewer than the previous year
I guess it's hard to shoot and kill someone when guns are only in the hands of persons who are strictly regulated
A guy I do work for had his licence revoked due to a messy break up with his wife who had accused him of psychological domestic abuse.
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But according to American logic, we should widely distribute guns so model citizens can protect themselves from the guns that the villains wouldn't have without easier access.

I live in Manchester, which has been notorious for gun crime. Whilst here, I've seen about five guns, three of which were licensed. There aren't that many illicit ones; criminals tend to rent them.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
But according to American logic, we should widely distribute guns so model citizens can protect themselves from the guns that the villains wouldn't have without easier access.

I live in Manchester, which has been notorious for gun crime. Whilst here, I've seen about five guns, three of which were licensed. There aren't that many illicit ones; criminals tend to rent them.
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Yeh it certainly lived up to its nickname Gunchester .
Glasgow had a similar problem with the ice cream wars but that's all long in the past ,I guess if a high level criminal with contacts all over UK due to drugs etc wanted a gun they could get it no problem, but there not stupid getting caught with an illegal firearm carries a hefty jail sentence so why bother ,there's plenty otherways to get there message across
 
lost weekend said:
Yeh it certainly lived up to its nickname Gunchester .
Glasgow had a similar problem with the ice cream wars but that's all long in the past ,I guess if a high level criminal with contacts all over UK due to drugs etc wanted a gun they could get it no problem, but there not stupid getting caught with an illegal firearm carries a hefty jail sentence so why bother ,there's plenty otherways to get there message across
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Can't believe Glasgow still has open air markets outside pharmacies.

Love Glasgow. It's never needed a gun problem, but I always carry a blade whenever I'm there. But I've never had trouble, even walking down Sauchiehall in the early hours.
 
lost weekend said:
Yeh it certainly lived up to its nickname Gunchester .
Glasgow had a similar problem with the ice cream wars but that's all long in the past ,I guess if a high level criminal with contacts all over UK due to drugs etc wanted a gun they could get it no problem, but there not stupid getting caught with an illegal firearm carries a hefty jail sentence so why bother ,there's plenty otherways to get there message across
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Of course people found a way to corrupt ice cream. Ice cream. If ever there was a call for the death penalty it's right there.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Can't believe Glasgow still has open air markets outside pharmacies.

Love Glasgow. It's never needed a gun problem, but I always carry a blade whenever I'm there. But I've never had trouble, even walking down Sauchiehall in the early hours.
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What kind of blade? A few years back in New York there was an interesting story about a guy fighting off 5 attackers on the rail with just a switchblade style knife.
 
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