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Truth ,What is your Source

biolabear said:
I guess we'lll all Know the Truth When we Die....
But the Bible says its too late by then.. Heaven or Hell
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we will.
i cannot believe that God will send a good man to hell because his God-given reason gave him reason to doubt the literal truth of the Bible. now that would really contradict the essence of God as he reveals himself in the the NT. If the doubter is sent to hell for not believing the Bible to be literal, then a whole other part of the Bible would be untrue, and as such proving the doubter to be right about doubting the Bible.
 
Yerg said:
And perception is not truth. I've perceived straight sticks to be bent when they were in water.
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thats different. here you would by way of your perception claim the stick to be physically bent. which it is not. but this does not make your perception of a bent stick untrue.
unless you define 'truth' to be simply correspondence with the 'objective' world (dry science truth). unfortunatly, we don't really have an 'objective' an sich world beyond our senses. so truth will never really be pure correspondence. same goes for coherentist theory of truth, only the other way around (it can't go without correspondence to senses).
 
So you agree that perception alone is not sufficient for truth? That was all I was claiming. I don't see why the fact that we don't have direct, objective knowledge means that truth cannot be objective.
 
truth itself may be objective then, but since any our perceptive knowledge is not, we don't have access to that kind of truth (of the objective outside world). which effectively means that any of our such truth is always characterized by margins of subjectivity. the idealistic road remains open though (a priori knowledge etc). which i believe was your point (bit tired, sorry)
 
capstone said:
Evil only exists because Good allows it to.
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just as darkness cannot exist without light, good cant exist without evil. without evil, good stagnates and becomes evil itself. without good, evil destroys itself, and could thus be seen as "good."


my source for truth: my heart.
 
One day I understood how needy I was and how in subjection and dependent I was to principles, Authorities ect. I didn't know if there was a God. I fell on my face and asked a Question???? Is there a God? He revealed Himself to me. Through His Word , I beheld the Living Word, Heb.4:12.... I read that man had a Problem... & That all sin is ultimately against God... and I didn't Have to do anything, because all my life I had tried to be good. I found out that God had already done everything and new about this problem long before I did .. God Loved me so much that He sent his Son to take my Punishment, Death,.. The burden of guilt was taken away..John 1:29 Behold the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world......But as I recall it was Rom.3:9-21 God was satisfied ,His Righteousness Has been revealed and Satisfied....... Like the Passover The blood was put on the outside of the door posts. And the Angel of Death would passby the doors that had blood on them......Seee the Blood on the doors is a witness that a death had already taken place..and when I see the blood I will passover you....Its that God see the Blood. I have Peace..Why? Because I know that Gods at Peace with Me.. Now God comes forth to all men in Love...God is Love
Christ says I didn't come into the world to condemn the world but to Save the world..Christ is the love of God Revealed....
This is just one aspect of the Gospel
{GOODNEWS}Christ Died For Our Sins
But another aspect of the Gospel {GOODNEWS} THAT He Rose From the Dead What does this Proclaim::: that God is FULLY SATISFIED WITH The SACRIFICE...
 
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Does that make sense. Christianity is Christ . Gods Love revealed to man is Christs the Finished Work on the Cross. Gods Mercy is Christs Finished work on the Cross...GRACE,GRACE,
The Gospel shouldn't be Preached
but the Gospel (GOODNEWS) is a PROCLAIMATION !
You Hear This PROCLAIMATION and either Believe it or Reject it
 
GoddessLSD-XTC said:
^^^ How do U know it was God that revealed that to U and not a deceiver? (Truth vs Dogma.)
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It's not about me. It's about you. I know..I'm as sure as I seat Here at my computer PROCLAIMING People either Believe and Recieve Or reject...
This is not a Blind Faith, The Graveyards Prove, Death is real and we are all headed for the BONEYARD. Christ is the First fruits From the DEAD
THE First ADAM was disobedient and the whole human race suffers because of that one man , THE last ADAM; CHRIST was obiedent and the new creation will reap the results... Thats why in John 3 ,Christ said "you must be born again.. Actually BORN FROM ABOVE A SOURCE, A seed .. HAS not man proven his failure {science will save us} Things are not getting better....The 3rd law of thermodynamics....The universe is not exspanding but depleting.
 
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tathra said:
just as darkness cannot exist without light, good cant exist without evil. without evil, good stagnates and becomes evil itself. without good, evil destroys itself, and could thus be seen as "good."


my source for truth: my heart.
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When I take a candle and bring it into a dark room what Happens to the darkness? It runs away.... I was Blind BUT now I SEE.. It's How the light effects the darkness.....Thats why They crusified Christ....Men Love Darkness Rather than light Because their deeds were Evil. That word Love in the Greek is Agapao
 
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biolabear said:
Somethings wrong, your lying in your bed and you hear a noise. You get out of bed and look out the window to see that it is only a branch, brushing the side of the house.
What has taken place?
It takes the Principle of Time and Principle of Knowledge to be @ Peace Or Wisdom ={applied Knowledge}
Am I Missing something? Maybe I should explain More clearly?
Whats in-between a state of FEAR and a state of PEACE
Need and the answer to that specific Need
Please Reply.
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in between fear and peace is transformation, the world is in a state of it right now. I'm not going to take the time to elaborate so please see the thread I made just a bit ago.
 
rantNrave said:
Science is the only real truth, because it speaks to what IS, not to what we WANT to be.
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Agreed.

As an Atheist I find a paradox in your using of Jesus as an example to talk about "truth". Truth is something that can be proven yet I have never seen any credible evidence that the man ever existed.

I don't want to stop anyone from believing what they believe or preach Atheism but think that people should be aware that their beliefs are based on "faith" not "truth".
 
Atheism is a faith as much as religion in. We have no conclusive evidence to make a decision on whether or not there is a deity. It's not decidable from the data we have. Anyone forming beliefs that are not wholly proven by truth is exercising faith.
 
badandwicked said:
Ask any lawyer - truth is perception.
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or a public affairs officer. Truth is what you tell them and what you keep hidden. The masses well go for that as truth.

ask an intelligence op? truth is probability based on the source, currentness, and other factors to render 67% true that something is at location <y> the only 100% is friendly observer relaying info..i.e. observing it yourself, and not from a third party, let alone a multi party written, 2000 year old book of allegory.
 
^What do you mean by that? Truth is a property that some statements, beliefs etc. bear and others do not. I don't really get how that's a way to live life-isn't that what "good" is for?
 
Theories proved by scientific investigation that can be verified by others.

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Time saving truth from falsehood & envy.
 
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Erm...I still don't see how this relates to the idea that "truth is the way to live life". I know what a fact is, I just didn't get what you were referring to when you said "those are facts".
 
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