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Miscellaneous Trip stoppers. Are they bullshit?

Speaking of Ketamine specifically, the clinics will tell you to not take your morning dose of benzos or amphetamines, but buprenorphine and SSRIs are fine.

I asked whether they interfere with the efficacy of Ketamine itself or just don't want to risk drug interactions. I was surprised to have been given different answers by different doctors.

Some said that benzos would lessen the efficacy and experience, others said it was for respiratory depression risks. I was told amphetamine avoidance was to keep your heart rate steady. Multiple Drs said bupe was fine, but one said he did see that patients using bupe and trying to treat Depression had to come back much more frequently than those who did not.

Does anyone have any experience and/or knowledge on this topic?
 
Speaking of Ketamine specifically, the clinics will tell you to not take your morning dose of benzos or amphetamines, but buprenorphine and SSRIs are fine.

I asked whether they interfere with the efficacy of Ketamine itself or just don't want to risk drug interactions. I was surprised to have been given different answers by different doctors.

Some said that benzos would lessen the efficacy and experience, others said it was for respiratory depression risks. I was told amphetamine avoidance was to keep your heart rate steady. Multiple Drs said bupe was fine, but one said he did see that patients using bupe and trying to treat Depression had to come back much more frequently than those who did not.

Does anyone have any experience and/or knowledge on this topic?
I have a prescription for ADHD meds in the amphetamine class and am wondering what the interaction is like between taking occasional small dose of ketamine with these meds? What's your take? I usually smoke a little weed every so often while on ADHD meds to handle the intensity and keep focused or relax a bit as I go for lengthy 12-16 hour on-and-off work sessions. Curious for your experience.
 
'bad trip' in itself seems to be quite the spectrum. Minor complications for example could more often than not stem from overreaction/general anxiety.
An effective tool can be to remember to control and influence one's breathing.

Very good practice.
But I know there could be more dramatic situations, or the case of actual physical complications, an overdose for example.
In which case it also really depends on what kind of 'trip' you are on, and what dose etc... A general trip stopper seems pharmacologically naive to me but it could work some times...
 
I have a prescription for ADHD meds in the amphetamine class and am wondering what the interaction is like between taking occasional small dose of ketamine with these meds? What's your take? I usually smoke a little weed every so often while on ADHD meds to handle the intensity and keep focused or relax a bit as I go for lengthy 12-16 hour on-and-off work sessions. Curious for your experience.
A little weed with ADHD stims is fine. I do it the same as you and also if I occasionally take more stims than usual it can help with the comedown irritability. I don't know what other meds you are on or your experience with KET, but I have never had an issue with small amounts of the three together. That said, I typically take KET on it's own though as I specifically use it for treatment resistant depression and feel it works better for that when not combined with anything else. YMMV, best of luck.
 
I can speak not as one who intentionally tried to stop a trip, but one who has not tripped because of medication.
 
Xanax or Valium definitely work to stop most bad LSD trips.
Any benzo will work. Zopiclone works even better and will stop a trip in about 20 mins if taken on a empty stomach

In my humble opinion benzos do not stop trips, they only make them more easily managed.

Saying zopiclone kills trips is dangerous advice imo

Some of my best, most intense trips involved hefty benzo doses... but I take truly heroic amounts.

Antipsychotics KILL trips... benzos dull them. Z drugs might do anything.
 
In my humble opinion benzos do not stop trips, they only make them more easily managed.

Saying zopiclone kills trips is dangerous advice imo

Some of my best, most intense trips involved hefty benzo doses... but I take truly heroic amounts.

Antipsychotics KILL trips... benzos dull them. Z drugs might do anything.

Benzos and z drugs kill my trips better then zyprexa does. I cant even take zopiclone the night before tripping or it wont work. Same wth high dose klonopin
 
like others have said, a good benzo will definitely chill out a bad trip, if not kill it entirely. seroquel on the other hand WILL kill the trip entirely, you will be done tripping and falling asleep. i like to keep a couple benzos or seroquel on hand, for trips as well as just my panic-riddled noggin
 
like others have said, a good benzo will definitely chill out a bad trip, if not kill it entirely. seroquel on the other hand WILL kill the trip entirely, you will be done tripping and falling asleep. i like to keep a couple benzos or seroquel on hand, for trips as well as just my panic-riddled noggin
Now, I have a question regarding this.
I have taken Seroquel because an old friend of mine had to take them after a psychotic episode of some kind.
I wanted to just see what he tried to take there, since he also was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and I just maybe wanted to empathize better with him. I kind of lost that friend since the psychotic episode, or lets say I couldn't understand him any longer, but in the first few years I really tried keeping up with him and one day said to him, he should give me one dose of Seroquel so I can relate to how he felt then.
So I kind of do know what it is about.

Anyways, I can barely remember how it felt but I still know that it hit quite hard, so I understand that while tripping it will probably 'make you fall asleep and stop tripping' as stated, I guess.
I mean a trip isn't the biggest thing in this world and I do understand one can quite overestimate its effect.
But for me this 'taking that drug so it kills the trip' sounds almost even more mysterious than the effect of lets say an LSD trip itself.

I mean how does that work. It is probably less dangerous than a serious bad trip and its possible implications. (worst case scenarios a la Don't jump out the window etc) Here I can definitely see how it is a valid and sensible option.
But what are the side effects of this?
I mean taking stuff like Seroquel once is I guess not as impactful as having to take it consistently.
But taking it once to kill a heavy trip, will you feel most likely groggy or even confused the following days?
Has someone actually done this, and what were the side effects?
I guess probably minor things in comparison to having wrong set and settings and actually falling victim to its potential bad situation in regard to a too strong of a dose??
I hope you can somehow elaborate, I always wondered how that feels, but my english is also not the finest, I know, sorry for that!
 
I mean how does that work. It is probably less dangerous than a serious bad trip and its possible implications. (worst case scenarios a la Don't jump out the window etc) Here I can definitely see how it is a valid and sensible option.
But what are the side effects of this?
I mean taking stuff like Seroquel once is I guess not as impactful as having to take it consistently.
But taking it once to kill a heavy trip, will you feel most likely groggy or even confused the following days?
Has someone actually done this, and what were the side effects?
I guess probably minor things in comparison to having wrong set and settings and actually falling victim to its potential bad situation in regard to a too strong of a dose??
I hope you can somehow elaborate, I always wondered how that feels, but my english is also not the finest, I know, sorry for that!
honestly i’m not super versed on the pharmacology of seroquel specifically, but with it being an anti-psychotic it ends or heavily dampens the effects of psychedelics. having been on other antipsychotics in the past, namely Abilify, while on it the effects of tripping were heavily reduced. next to no visuals and less of a mental change.

both abilify and seroquel act as strong serotonin receptor antagonists- specifically of the 5ht2a receptors. LSD when taken binds to those receptors and acts as an agonist. if you’re not familiar with these terms- a receptor agonist binds to said neurological receptors and effectively turns it on, activating it at the site. antagonists are the opposite, blocking the receptors and having no effect, effectively turning the receptors off/preventing them from being activated. now, how LSD binding to these receptors causes the major effects it doesn’t isn’t fully understood, but it’s well known that psychedelics cause parts of your brain to communicate that normally don’t- likely a major cause of the hallucinatory and mental state changes.

so when certain antipsychotics are taken they begin to take the place of LSD, blocking the effects. the antagonists reverse the effects once taken, turning off the receptors and negating the effects of psychedelics. the sedating and dampening effects as well play a major role, especially with LSD which has minor effects on the dopamine system too. it’s similar to how certain antidepressants prevent/dampen the effects of psyches. most antidepressants are SSRIs, which prevent the reuptake of the serotonin molecules from the receptors, keeping the receptors occupied for longer with serotonin (ideally) to get more from its effects and duration. so when you take LSD or mushrooms on SSRIs, the drug can’t bind to your serotonin receptors the same way, thus less effects are usually experienced.

the next day effects are kinda variable. i mention seroquel specifically because it’s an antipsychotic that doesn’t need as much time to build up in one’s system. it can act acutely pretty quickly. i’ve taken it on the tail end of an acid trip before- not due to a bad trip, just to get some sleep. i was definitely out of it the next day, only a little more than i would be normally. my ex had taken seroquel to kill trips a couple times too, and it never seemed to have a major impact on them. i never noticed any side effects from it beyond being sleepier the next day. wouldn’t really be any major risk of side effects any more than either of the two drugs alone.

hopefully this helps clear some of it up. this is just the cursory knowledge i know off the top of my head, so apologies it’s not the most in depth. i’m no expert on antipsychotics and there’s a lot of science out on how psychedelics work the way they do. but it basically just blocks and reverses the effects from the psyches in your brain. antipsychotics are definitely a bitch, a necessary one in some cases. being on them at points really has a major dampening and sedating effect on the noggin most of the time. so even that alone will slow down the chaotic racing thoughts of psychedelics. i’m glad that i don’t need to take them long term, love my mood stabilizers tho. the ones im on don’t negatively impact my ability to trip/roll.
 
honestly i’m not super versed on the pharmacology of seroquel specifically, but with it being an anti-psychotic it ends or heavily dampens the effects of psychedelics. having been on other antipsychotics in the past, namely Abilify, while on it the effects of tripping were heavily reduced. next to no visuals and less of a mental change.

both abilify and seroquel act as strong serotonin receptor antagonists- specifically of the 5ht2a receptors. LSD when taken binds to those receptors and acts as an agonist. if you’re not familiar with these terms- a receptor agonist binds to said neurological receptors and effectively turns it on, activating it at the site. antagonists are the opposite, blocking the receptors and having no effect, effectively turning the receptors off/preventing them from being activated. now, how LSD binding to these receptors causes the major effects it doesn’t isn’t fully understood, but it’s well known that psychedelics cause parts of your brain to communicate that normally don’t- likely a major cause of the hallucinatory and mental state changes.

so when certain antipsychotics are taken they begin to take the place of LSD, blocking the effects. the antagonists reverse the effects once taken, turning off the receptors and negating the effects of psychedelics. the sedating and dampening effects as well play a major role, especially with LSD which has minor effects on the dopamine system too. it’s similar to how certain antidepressants prevent/dampen the effects of psyches. most antidepressants are SSRIs, which prevent the reuptake of the serotonin molecules from the receptors, keeping the receptors occupied for longer with serotonin (ideally) to get more from its effects and duration. so when you take LSD or mushrooms on SSRIs, the drug can’t bind to your serotonin receptors the same way, thus less effects are usually experienced.

the next day effects are kinda variable. i mention seroquel specifically because it’s an antipsychotic that doesn’t need as much time to build up in one’s system. it can act acutely pretty quickly. i’ve taken it on the tail end of an acid trip before- not due to a bad trip, just to get some sleep. i was definitely out of it the next day, only a little more than i would be normally. my ex had taken seroquel to kill trips a couple times too, and it never seemed to have a major impact on them. i never noticed any side effects from it beyond being sleepier the next day. wouldn’t really be any major risk of side effects any more than either of the two drugs alone.

hopefully this helps clear some of it up. this is just the cursory knowledge i know off the top of my head, so apologies it’s not the most in depth. i’m no expert on antipsychotics and there’s a lot of science out on how psychedelics work the way they do. but it basically just blocks and reverses the effects from the psyches in your brain. antipsychotics are definitely a bitch, a necessary one in some cases. being on them at points really has a major dampening and sedating effect on the noggin most of the time. so even that alone will slow down the chaotic racing thoughts of psychedelics. i’m glad that i don’t need to take them long term, love my mood stabilizers tho. the ones im on don’t negatively impact my ability to trip/roll.
that's a really elaborate thoughtful answer to my question. this probably took some minutes/time to write down.
Thanks! and yes I think that shined some light on the topic at least for me.

I think it's again an experience which is always hard (maybe even impossible if one wants to be that nitpicky) to explain if you haven't gone through it.
Maybe one day I will see for myself.

Well yes, I think some mild mood stabilizers do sound very reasonable to take if you already know that you are someone who profits from such a thing.
Most important thing is to feel safe/okay or maybe even good (simple but also very complex word sometimes) :)

If these things were available OTC where I live maybe I would actually be more versed in their usage, but I have to admit Seroquel wouldn't be my first choice then, maybe a kind of last resort.

Benzodiazepines might be a good idea to have for a person like me. But I don't like the almost alcohol like loss of inhibition they kind of spark in me. Haven't rouched them in years...
But gut instinct tells me they might be a good option if I misjudge a trip and end up somewhere I didn't intend to land.

What I do take use of are even milder things (which are available here) like certain herbs to brew tea from. But I have to admit, when a really harsh trip has happened, which for me is already quite some time ago (but still goes to show I am just as vulnerable as anyone else I guess) a little baldrian or maybe green hops would surely help a little bit, but definately wouldnt cut the mustard for stopping that impending doom feeling that had arisen once already.

I am very careful nowadays where/when and with whom I take something.
But even then I can still misjudge a little I have already noticed.
Experience I think helps though.
Especially first few trips might have been the most impactful and riskiest, at least for me.

I guess it's handy to have, even when not taken, just to feel safer. But I also think they should be regarded with similar caution and respect
 
Benzodiazepines might be a good idea to have for a person like me. But I don't like the almost alcohol like loss of inhibition they kind of spark in me. Haven't rouched them in years...
But gut instinct tells me they might be a good option if I misjudge a trip and end up somewhere I didn't intend to land.
yeah, they definitely work well to chill you out while tripping. i’ve found that the mental stimulation from psyches tends to counter act that loss of inhibition a bit, but i’ve also only ever used relatively low doses on trips. alcohol works well for this too honestly but it’s not nearly as “clean” feeling. ime the psyches make it take more to get the same effect from alcohol, that the stimulation from a trip tends to cancel out some of the effects. i’ve only done it a few times but sipping a drink or two on a trip can be pretty nice, especially on the tail end. i tend to get real tense and muscle pain after a trip, on most any psyche (DMT excluded.) i’ve found a couple light drinks or a benzo helps that as well

What I do take use of are even milder things (which are available here) like certain herbs to brew tea from. But I have to admit, when a really harsh trip has happened, which for me is already quite some time ago (but still goes to show I am just as vulnerable as anyone else I guess) a little baldrian or maybe green hops would surely help a little bit, but definately wouldnt cut the mustard for stopping that impending doom feeling that had arisen once already.
i love a nice herbal tea while tripping. i drink a lot of herbal teas, especially stress relief/sleepy blends and i love sipping on a nice warm cup of herbal tea when tripping, especially on the tail end. i find it pretty calming too. like you said, i don’t think a cup of tea would do the job if shit really hit the fan. but my noggin is riddled with anxiety as is and i’ll get bouts of anxiety while tripping as i do normally. they’ve almost always been manageable during the trip, especially now having the experience of well over like, 50-60 trips from over the years. i find tea to be a nice help in managing them during. with how much tea i drink i even find that just the ritual of prepping/making the tea is soothing for me. a cup of tea is by no means as strongly anxiolytic as a benzo or anything, but when the anxiety is just general jitters i find it helps quite a bit if not solely due to the fact it makes me more comfy. then of course the herbs have relaxing effects. they can absolutely be helpful, grounding, and relaxing. but if you’re in nightmare psychedelic hell a bit of chamomile probably won’t fix that lmao

i find making myself comfy in a broader sense helps keep the baseline bouts of anxiety in check when tripping. if i get anxious on a trip and am unsure why i am, i always go over the basics- am i too hot or cold, do i need to pee, am i hydrated, am i physically comfortable, etc etc. usually there’s one of those factors making me uncomfortable that didn’t register until i thought about it. then usually once fixed it helps me feel more comfy and thus relaxed. and when there’s no easily recognized/fixable problem, i just chalk it up to jitters from the drug/baseline anxiety. usually it resolves in a short enough time and i just make myself as comfy as i can (in whatever capacity depending on the setting) for the next 15 minutes.
 
They fade off some effects of psychedelics at low doses and almost kill it at high dosages. I have a good amount of experience since I used to mix them in the past with 4-aco-dmt.

Sometimes the mix is even interesting since it allows you to have much stronger visuals without ego loss. I wouldn't recommend this as regular but I had pretty epic experiences doing that.

Also in my case 4-sub tryptamines give me a lot of brainzaps during the trip (interestingly this doesn't happens to me with lysergamides or pheniletilamines), this usually happens 1-5 times per trip and it terrified me, leading into bad trips. I've found that if I mix those 4-sub with a benzodiacepine in low dose they dissapear or reduce the intensity in 95%. This is very interesting and I don't think was documented before.
 
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Benzos will mellow out your trip but will not stop it, unless your psychedelic dose is low and/or your benzo dose very high.

Antipsychotics are far more reliable; by antagonizing the very same serotonin receptors that psychedelics act on, they directly counteract the effects of the psychedelic, as opposed to trying to overpower the trip with a separate sedative mechanism.
 
Something weird might be happening to me.

I get Uzedy (risperidone depot injections) and I've been having issues getting high on DXM lately. I usually take half a bottle (444mg polistirex) than the other half 30 minutes later. On two of my last three attempts I took an entire bottle (888mg polistirex) at once and nothing happened except maybe some mood improvement. It's making me nervous.

I took two bottles earlier today, one whole bottle each, with about 3 hours inbetween. So far there haven't been any effects. It's freaking weird.

It's weird because I'm getting depot injections of Vivitrol, which are meant to stop alcohol cravings. I still feel like drinking a lot (and I do). I really like prescription opiates and I'd be interested in seeing how the Vivitrol would effect the effects of say, Vicodin or Oxycodone. I'm worried about getting into an accident and opiates not working, and the medical staff not knowing I'm on vivitrol. I have a little pendant I can carry but it might be of very little help in an emergency.

IME 50mg naltrexone oral stopped 40mg oxycodone completely within 30mins. Puked a bunch & felt 100% sober. Could not get a high from oxy the next morning either.
 
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How to stop a Psychedelic Trip: The Promise of Ketanserin

Psychedelic Science Review

Psychedelic trips often unfold without issues, but what if a trip needs to be stopped? Drugs such as benzodiazepines and antipsychotics are recommended as rescue medications and have been around for decades. Can ketanserin be used as a more targeted trip stopper?

A trip, as a direct cause of ingesting psychedelics, can be both healing and exhilarating. Giddy feelings, melting walls, and merging of yourself with everything in the universe are but some of the experiences people have on psychedelics.

But it’s not all fun and games. Confusion, paranoia, intrusive hallucinations, and losing your sense of self can also manifest during a trip. In those cases, do you ride it out, or is there another solution?

So-called trip stoppers are substances that promise to get someone back to the reality they were familiar with. Coincidentally, it could offer drug companies a way to shorten the duration of a trip, but at what cost?

How trips were stopped before

Vitamin B3 (niacin)


Theories on how to stop a trip were first conceived 68 years ago by Abram Hoffer.1,2 He hypothesised that high doses of vitamin B3, also known as niacin, could help treat various illnesses, including schizophrenia. Similarly, he hypothesised that it could stop the effects of an ongoing LSD trip.

Reports from that period note the use of niacin to stop a trip,2 but no modern research has been done to replicate these findings. The only use of niacin in contemporary psychedelic research has been as an attempted active control for psilocybin.3 At high doses (250 mg), niacin can lead to skin flushing and dizziness, a far cry from typical psychedelic effects.

Benzodiazepines

Benzodiazepines, colloquially known as benzos, were invented the year after Hoffer conducted his experiments.4 They work by enhancing the action of GABA, a neurotransmitter that generally has an inhibitory effect on our nervous system. This leads to feelings of relaxation and sedation.

Benzos don’t directly stop the psychedelic effects as they don’t interact with the 5-HT2A receptor, primarily responsible for the effects of classical psychedelics. Instead, they provide relief during a trip by making a person feel less anxious, and can do so rapidly within 10 to 15 minutes. This relaxation can also manifest as drowsiness, dizziness, and decreased alertness.

Valerian

The same mechanism of action – the enhancement of GABA – is thought to underlie Valerian’s potential to stop an ongoing trip.5 Valerian is a flowering plant that people have used to treat insomnia and anxiety for centuries. However, research on its efficacy is mixed, with a comprehensive review finding no effects on anxiety.6

Online shops that sell psychedelic-related materials tout Valerian as a trip stopper, though they also point out that having a “trip killer” at the ready might be doing most of the work here.7 In other words, knowing that there is something to stop a trip may help prevent a bad trip in the first place.

Antipsychotics

Atypical antipsychotics such as quetiapine and olanzapine are partial antagonists of the 5-HT2A receptor.8 They also act as antagonists for dopamine, histamine, and adrenergic receptors. As a result, their use is associated with dizziness, sedation, and dry mouth, among other side effects. Though antipsychotics are the first group of trip stoppers to abort a psychedelic trip by directly competing for 5-HT2A binding, their lack of specificity presents tolerability issues and the potential for serious side effects.

Ketanserin finds another use case

Ketanserin is an antihypertensive drug that acts as an antagonist of the 5-HT2A receptor.9 The selective antagonism of the 5-HT2A receptor has made ketanserin a useful molecule for researching the effects of psychedelics.

In a seminal paper by Vollenweider and colleagues, ketanserin was used to elucidate that psilocybin’s psychedelic effects are modulated through the 5-HT2A receptor.10 Pretreatment with ketanserin (40 mg) prevented the acute effects of psilocybin. Half this dose (20 mg) reduced subjective psychedelic effects by 50-70%. In the same trial, the atypical antipsychotic risperidone (1 mg) also effectively blocked the psychedelic effects. The typical antipsychotic haloperidol, which acts primarily as a dopamine antagonist rather than targeting 5-HT2A, reduced scores on the subscale of oceanic boundlessness but not other psychedelic effects.

It was long understood that ketanserin could thus prevent the onset of psychedelic effects. Experiments with LSD, psilocybin, and ayahuasca showed that pretreatment with ketanserin would prevent the manifestation of typical psychedelic effects.

Nonetheless, not all of the effects of psychedelics are blocked by ketanserin. A study where participants received up to 200 µg of LSD found that ketanserin didn’t prevent the increased emotional empathy experienced by participants.14 Nor did ketanserin affect the reduced attentional tracking (a computer-based measure of attention) induced by psilocybin.15 In both instances, the authors argue that these effects are not mediated by the 5-HT2A receptor and are thus not influenced by pretreatment with ketanserin.

In all these experiments, ketanserin was given before a psychedelic was administered. If a psychedelic molecule was already activating its target receptor, would it still be possible to stop the trip? Evidence from atypical antipsychotics would suggest yes, but until recently, this hadn’t been tested with ketanserin.

What about ketanserin after LSD

A study by Anna Becker and colleagues confirmed that giving ketanserin (40 mg) after LSD administration (100 µg) can stop a trip.
Ketanserin was given one hour after LSD and reduced the total length of the trip from 8.5 hours to 3.5 hours, a 60% reduction.

For most participants, the psychedelic effects started declining after one hour, and within 2.5 hours after ketanserin administration, nearly all of them were back to baseline.

Though not as rapidly acting as benzos and atypical antipsychotics, ketanserin was well tolerated by the participants and even significantly reduced tiredness associated with LSD. The authors posited that ketanserin could be given anytime during a trip, winding down the psychedelic effects within 2 to 2.5 hours.

The study, conducted at the University of Basel, was started in 2020. Around this time, MindMed bought the commercialization rights to the research and spoke extensively about a Trip Neutralizer technology. The company attempted to patent this intervention to stop an ongoing trip in 2021, but has since toned down claims related to the technology due to questions around its patentability.

The value of stopping a trip

Stopping a trip that has devolved into experiencing endless suffering has value. Acutely, it can help someone feel grounded again. Knowing that something is available to stop a trip also may help people feel safer and prevent a bad trip from occurring in the first place.

Ketanserin is another tool that makes this possible, though not as quickly as with benzos or atypical antipsychotics. The value for drug developers may lie in shortening a psychedelic trip, without reinventing the molecules to do so. However, whether shortening a trip will dampen potential therapeutic effects – that is a question we will likely only have the answer to in years to come.

by Floris Wolswijk

Floris has a master’s degree (MSc) in Psychology (2008-2012) from the Erasmus University in Rotterdam, The Netherlands. Through first personal experiences with psychedelics and subsequently an encounter with the scientific literature, he fell in love with the psychedelics field. He hopes to play a small part in making psychedelics more widely available and used both in medicine and for self-development.

 
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How to stop a Psychedelic Trip: The Promise of Ketanserin

Psychedelic Science Review

Psychedelic trips often unfold without issues, but what if a trip needs to be stopped? Drugs such as benzodiazepines and antipsychotics are recommended as rescue medications and have been around for decades. Can ketanserin be used as a more targeted trip stopper?

A trip, as a direct cause of ingesting psychedelics, can be both healing and exhilarating. Giddy feelings, melting walls, and merging of yourself with everything in the universe are but some of the experiences people have on psychedelics.

But it’s not all fun and games. Confusion, paranoia, intrusive hallucinations, and losing your sense of self can also manifest during a trip. In those cases, do you ride it out, or is there another solution?

So-called trip stoppers are substances that promise to get someone back to the reality they were familiar with. Coincidentally, it could offer drug companies a way to shorten the duration of a trip, but at what cost?

How trips were stopped before

Vitamin B3 (niacin)


Theories on how to stop a trip were first conceived 68 years ago by Abram Hoffer.1,2 He hypothesised that high doses of vitamin B3, also known as niacin, could help treat various illnesses, including schizophrenia. Similarly, he hypothesised that it could stop the effects of an ongoing LSD trip.

Reports from that period note the use of niacin to stop a trip,2 but no modern research has been done to replicate these findings. The only use of niacin in contemporary psychedelic research has been as an attempted active control for psilocybin.3 At high doses (250 mg), niacin can lead to skin flushing and dizziness, a far cry from typical psychedelic effects.

Benzodiazepines

Benzodiazepines, colloquially known as benzos, were invented the year after Hoffer conducted his experiments.4 They work by enhancing the action of GABA, a neurotransmitter that generally has an inhibitory effect on our nervous system. This leads to feelings of relaxation and sedation.

Benzos don’t directly stop the psychedelic effects as they don’t interact with the 5-HT2A receptor, primarily responsible for the effects of classical psychedelics. Instead, they provide relief during a trip by making a person feel less anxious, and can do so rapidly within 10 to 15 minutes. This relaxation can also manifest as drowsiness, dizziness, and decreased alertness.

Valerian

The same mechanism of action – the enhancement of GABA – is thought to underlie Valerian’s potential to stop an ongoing trip.5 Valerian is a flowering plant that people have used to treat insomnia and anxiety for centuries. However, research on its efficacy is mixed, with a comprehensive review finding no effects on anxiety.6

Online shops that sell psychedelic-related materials tout Valerian as a trip stopper, though they also point out that having a “trip killer” at the ready might be doing most of the work here.7 In other words, knowing that there is something to stop a trip may help prevent a bad trip in the first place.

Antipsychotics

Atypical antipsychotics such as quetiapine and olanzapine are partial antagonists of the 5-HT2A receptor.8 They also act as antagonists for dopamine, histamine, and adrenergic receptors. As a result, their use is associated with dizziness, sedation, and dry mouth, among other side effects. Though antipsychotics are the first group of trip stoppers to abort a psychedelic trip by directly competing for 5-HT2A binding, their lack of specificity presents tolerability issues and the potential for serious side effects.

Ketanserin finds another use case

Ketanserin is an antihypertensive drug that acts as an antagonist of the 5-HT2A receptor.9 The selective antagonism of the 5-HT2A receptor has made ketanserin a useful molecule for researching the effects of psychedelics.

In a seminal paper by Vollenweider and colleagues, ketanserin was used to elucidate that psilocybin’s psychedelic effects are modulated through the 5-HT2A receptor.10 Pretreatment with ketanserin (40 mg) prevented the acute effects of psilocybin. Half this dose (20 mg) reduced subjective psychedelic effects by 50-70%. In the same trial, the atypical antipsychotic risperidone (1 mg) also effectively blocked the psychedelic effects. The typical antipsychotic haloperidol, which acts primarily as a dopamine antagonist rather than targeting 5-HT2A, reduced scores on the subscale of oceanic boundlessness but not other psychedelic effects.

It was long understood that ketanserin could thus prevent the onset of psychedelic effects. Experiments with LSD, psilocybin, and ayahuasca showed that pretreatment with ketanserin would prevent the manifestation of typical psychedelic effects.

Nonetheless, not all of the effects of psychedelics are blocked by ketanserin. A study where participants received up to 200 µg of LSD found that ketanserin didn’t prevent the increased emotional empathy experienced by participants.14 Nor did ketanserin affect the reduced attentional tracking (a computer-based measure of attention) induced by psilocybin.15 In both instances, the authors argue that these effects are not mediated by the 5-HT2A receptor and are thus not influenced by pretreatment with ketanserin.

In all these experiments, ketanserin was given before a psychedelic was administered. If a psychedelic molecule was already activating its target receptor, would it still be possible to stop the trip? Evidence from atypical antipsychotics would suggest yes, but until recently, this hadn’t been tested with ketanserin.

What about ketanserin after LSD

A study by Anna Becker and colleagues confirmed that giving ketanserin (40 mg) after LSD administration (100 µg) can stop a trip.



For most participants, the psychedelic effects started declining after one hour, and within 2.5 hours after ketanserin administration, nearly all of them were back to baseline.

Though not as rapidly acting as benzos and atypical antipsychotics, ketanserin was well tolerated by the participants and even significantly reduced tiredness associated with LSD. The authors posited that ketanserin could be given anytime during a trip, winding down the psychedelic effects within 2 to 2.5 hours.

The study, conducted at the University of Basel, was started in 2020. Around this time, MindMed bought the commercialization rights to the research and spoke extensively about a Trip Neutralizer technology. The company attempted to patent this intervention to stop an ongoing trip in 2021, but has since toned down claims related to the technology due to questions around its patentability.

The value of stopping a trip

Stopping a trip that has devolved into experiencing endless suffering has value. Acutely, it can help someone feel grounded again. Knowing that something is available to stop a trip also may help people feel safer and prevent a bad trip from occurring in the first place.

Ketanserin is another tool that makes this possible, though not as quickly as with benzos or atypical antipsychotics. The value for drug developers may lie in shortening a psychedelic trip, without reinventing the molecules to do so. However, whether shortening a trip will dampen potential therapeutic effects – that is a question we will likely only have the answer to in years to come.

by Floris Wolswijk

Floris has a master’s degree (MSc) in Psychology (2008-2012) from the Erasmus University in Rotterdam, The Netherlands. Through first personal experiences with psychedelics and subsequently an encounter with the scientific literature, he fell in love with the psychedelics field. He hopes to play a small part in making psychedelics more widely available and used both in medicine and for self-development.

it upsets me floris didnt mention trazodone. bro literally mentioned vitamins but not trazodone a literal 5ht2a ANTAGONIST
 
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