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Social Justice Transgender and gender identity discussion

schizopath said:
I read about it and its likely genderfluid. It kinda varies, like when I was off the antipsychotics I sometimes thought I was a woman and stuff. I cant say I have multiple personalities, but it seems like I have features of it. Might be completely wrong, and hope I am. I dont change as much as I think they do, but I do change sometimes. Its weird.
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nonbinary is a word i've seen used a lot too. maybe look into that ??

but yeah the "inbetween" states can be tricky. I'm a bisexual man, and when i was still coming to terms with my sexuality i thought i was becoming like 100% gay lol. but in reality the level of gayness fluctuates on a day to day (or even hour to hour) basis. it's not a 50/50 split or anything like that. just embracing the ebbs and flows as they come has been the most liberating path so far
 
thegreenhand said:
nonbinary is a word i've seen used a lot too. maybe look into that ??

but yeah the "inbetween" states can be tricky. I'm a bisexual man, and when i was still coming to terms with my sexuality i thought i was becoming like 100% gay lol. but in reality the level of gayness fluctuates on a day to day (or even hour to hour) basis. it's not a 50/50 split or anything like that. just embracing the ebbs and flows as they come has been the most liberating path so far
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I think everybody’s sexuality lies on a spectrum. It’s just that the majority of people get rusted into one spot of the spectrum and rarely feel the urge to slide in an alternative direction even experimentally.
 
Atelier3 said:
I think everybody’s sexuality lies on a spectrum. It’s just that the majority of people get rusted into one spot of the spectrum and rarely feel the urge to slide in an alternative direction even experimentally.
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Yeah I would agree that it’s definitely a spectrum. Hence the popularity of the ”queer”. it doesn’t put you in a box of straight, gay, etc. it just means you’re open to sexual experiences with anyone you’re attracted to regardless of their sex or gender identity
 
thegreenhand said:
Yeah I would agree that it’s definitely a spectrum. Hence the popularity of the ”queer”. it doesn’t put you in a box of straight, gay, etc. it just means you’re open to sexual experiences with anyone you’re attracted to regardless of their sex or gender identity
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True. But the problem with the queer identity for me is that it is often really over-the-top performative. Bearded men in floral summer frocks on my campus for example. I do some stuff pretty far along the spectrum from my starting point from time to time but I would never identify as queer. I identify more as “sexual proclivities should not be discussed except with potential partners”. But then again maybe I’m just hypocritically prudish on most days.
 
Atelier3 said:
True. But the problem with the queer identity for me is that it is often really over-the-top performative. Bearded men in floral summer frocks on my campus for example. I do some stuff pretty far along the spectrum from my starting point from time to time but I would never identify as queer. I identify more as “sexual proclivities should not be discussed except with potential partners”. But then again maybe I’m just hypocritically prudish on most days.
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Yeah I agree that sometimes people go a bit overboard with wanting to flaunt it or show off for lack of a better word. But them again, have you ever see a pride parade lol

i normally identify as bi because it’s something just about everyone can understand but I could also easily identify as queer. while the bearded men in dresses may be a bit much, it’s not hurting anyone and if that’s what they want to do more power to em ya know
 
thegreenhand said:
Yeah I agree that sometimes people go a bit overboard with wanting to flaunt it or show off for lack of a better word. But them again, have you ever see a pride parade lol

i normally identify as bi because it’s something just about everyone can understand but I could also easily identify as queer. while the bearded men in dresses may be a bit much, it’s not hurting anyone and if that’s what they want to do more power to em ya know
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Totally. Doesn’t hurt me in any way what people perform as, but it’s just not my style. A bit like double denim - just feels a bit cringey when I see it.
 
Everyone is bisexual. Gay people repress their heterosexuality and straight people repress their homosexuality. Gender identification is meaningless (to me) because I don't believe in gender other than socially enforced clothing / behaviors.

Atelier3 said:
while the bearded men in dresses may be a bit much, it’s not hurting anyone and if that’s what they want to do more power to em ya know
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A bit much?

I have a beard and I have walked around hippy festivals wearing nothing but a dress... and I looked fucking amazing, I'll have you know! ;)
 
Hippies are always a bit much.

Bearded men in dresses are definitely too much, they know it too, because its deliberate.

Remember the good old days, like 5 minutes ago, when people would say about an erratic and unstable person 'they don't know if they're Arthur or Martha'. Its still true. And relevant because the not knowing is a symptom not a cause.
 
Xorkoth said:
But I strongly believe we need to separate what is perhaps a somewhat toxic agenda by some, from the legitimate claims of self-idenbtification from some people. What the real transgender people want and have always wanted is simply to be allowed to be who they feel they are, without being harrassed, feared, and scorned. I believe it is the moral imperative of a moral society to allow others the freedom to exist as they are, and not have bigotry towards some lifestyles baked into the culture and tacitly (or explicitly) allowed.
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So let bigots be bigots then. After all, Its the moral imperative of society to allow people the freedom to exist as they are without being harassed, feared and scorned.
 
All I know is we need more people to start powerlifting so they can have actual trans divisions

I dont see how someone who spent the first 10, 15, 20 years of their life with the T levels of a male should be able to compete in female competitions in any point in their life. It's not even close to fair. And if anyone who was born with female hormones and takes male hormones to compensate, well, then what do we do about guys with naturally low T, can they boost up to normal levels too? Who defines normal levels? AAS usage is hard to moderate, it tends towards being strictly regulated or completely ignored.

I think people should be free to change their image how they see fit, much like I think bodybuilders taking AAS should be accepted and legal. I dont think they should expect normies to "get it", just to be tolerant. I also dont think you should expect for sports who heavily rely on use/abuse of hormones to give anyone exceptions to all the rules.

Random observation, some trans people seem to have an aversion to acknowledging how lacking medical science is in terms of truly changing gender. At best changes are purely aesthetic. It must be tough, I guess. It just seems so rigid to go through questioning identity, and end somewhere binary. Like, if i had a feminine aesthetic but Y chromosomes all over my DNA, I don't think I'd ever choose between male and female. I think I'd just be my own thing, somewhere between.

As a kid, my friend all joked I was an alien, because I was weird as shit, loved space, and had an alien shaped head. The older I got the more I subconsciously wanted to not be human. I legitimately wish I could be an alien, or something in between, so i sorta get it, maybe


Tl;dr I would love for there to be an appropriate, fair competition for trans people
 
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I think the focus on athletics is entirely misplaced and unnecessary; both with regard to trans people and also performance drugs. For some reason I have simply never fathomed, we seem to assign some sort of unique and misplaced nobility to “athletes” that we don’t expect out of other entertainers. And yes, that’s all that they really are: entertainers. Their job is not to put the ball or puck in the end zone, goal, or basket; nor is it to ride their bike fastest across France or to swim a better butterfly. Their job is to put butts in the stadiums and eyeballs on the televisions, period. And it’s not like we drug test and take away Lady Gaga’s Grammy for testing positive for pot (which she has said helps her creativity), or take away Elliott Page’s Oscar for testing for the “wrong” hormones, nor do we suspend Keith Richards from the next half-dozen Rolling Stones concerts for testing positive for Keith Richards.

So far as I’m concerned; the same goes for trans and drug-using athletes. If a trans woman plays a better game of soccer or if a trans man does a better gymnastics routine due to their pre-trans development or hormone levels or if Lance Armstrong juices to ride faster or if a special suit helps Michael Phelps swim faster. It’s all the same and all A-OK to me. It’s all just show business. And if any of them put on a better show, all is fair and more power to them. And the only other people who have a legitimate say would be their doctors.
 
@SvnLyrBrto

You've got to be kidding?
I take it you're not a professional athlete.
Sports and show business are not the same thing.

Perhaps there should be juicing events and non-juicing events?
 
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