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Social Justice Transgender and gender identity discussion

Here's a quote from a real professional on the medical field
'I'm not anti-trans. I've helped hundreds of people while they were transitioning, but when I started to do preliminary research I was taken aback by what I discovered,' he says.

'It wasn't so much that there seemed to be increasing numbers of younger people, particularly females, transitioning, but that there were so many of them who seemed to be later reversing the transition.

'Some of those young women were saying they felt they'd made a mistake, but had been influenced by a kind of social movement ramped up by the internet.

'When I talked to colleagues about what I was finding, one said: 'I didn't think we were supposed to talk about that.'

Discussion is being suppressed by a small, but vocal, minority in the LGBT community who seem to have an agenda to push the boundaries of trans rights whatever the cost. It is why this research was important.

'I think we've arrived at a point as a society where people are afraid to say what they think, and that's not a good thing in my field.'

James is not alone in his concerns. Since going public with an interview on Radio 4 last month about the disturbing censorship of debate on gender identity, he says he has been inundated with messages of support.

One message from a trans woman reads: 'I know many people, including myself, who fully support your research and it was so heartening to hear you speak on such an important contemporary subject."
 
Reading this thread, I can't for the life of me imagine why transgender suicide could be so high. People seem so accepting!
 
My little brother used to crossdress when we were younger.
He turned out to be gay. He likes being male tho.
In the climate of today there's a great chance he would've been turned trans, specially in the US.
"One of Weiss’ subjects, Toronto-based Deborah Soh, who has a Ph.D. in neuroscience, left academia because she concluded that her view (backed by substantial evidence) that children with gender dysphoria usually outgrow it and should wait to transition would make her persona non grata. (Her concerns were hardly groundless: In 2016, eminent Toronto psychologist Dr. Kenneth Zucker was fired from a major clinic over the same issue."
 
Reading this thread, I can't for the life of me imagine why transgender suicide could be so high. People seem so accepting!
Hmm.. I just did research and found out that the suicide rates are actually higher after the gender reassignment surgery and hormones. How is this possible?
 
Hmm.. I just did research and found out that the suicide rates are actually higher after the gender reassignment surgery and hormones. How is this possible?

I dunno, I don't care to argue it.

I can't be fucked arguing this seriously. I would if there seemed to be honest, well intentioned debate by people who just want what's best. But that's not what I see.

I just see a bunch of assholes making justifications for their own bigotry. And all I can think is.. No wonder we don't seem to actually have any transgender members here, or at least no open ones.

It's possible to have an honest debate about transgender kids and appropriate treatment, and reasonable minds can disagree on it. But that's not what this is. It's just bigotry. You can see it in most of the posts here that they're written with total disregard for other people's feelings. More interested in being right or making their own point than actually helping anyone or doing any good.

All this bullshit about the poor kids, this isn't about the kids it's about your outrage against trans activists. The kids are just a political football.

It would be a sensible argument to ask why I bother posting here at all, and I don't have an answer to that.. I shouldn't.
 
I dunno, I don't care to argue it.

I can't be fucked arguing this seriously. I would if there seemed to be honest, well intentioned debate by people who just want what's best. But that's not what I see.

I just see a bunch of assholes making justifications for their own bigotry. And all I can think is.. No wonder we don't seem to actually have any transgender members here, or at least no open ones.

It's possible to have an honest debate about transgender kids and appropriate treatment, and reasonable minds can disagree on it. But that's not what this is. It's just bigotry. You can see it in most of the posts here that they're written with total disregard for other people's feelings. More interested in being right or making their own point than actually helping anyone or doing any good.

All this bullshit about the poor kids, this isn't about the kids it's about your outrage against trans activists. The kids are just a political football.

It would be a sensible argument to ask why I bother posting here at all, and I don't have an answer to that.. I shouldn't.
Very interesting way to attack me. I'm not a bigot and your opinions on that do not matter. I have close family of the LBQT community and I do care about the kids.
It's weird how you have mentality "Oh, he can't actually care about children. He must be a bigot and hate trans people!"
This is a straw man you're doing here. Straw man argument. You should back it up, because I wont - because it's not true :)
 
I don't care. I've had enough for today at least. You win. You're not a bigot. I'm sure you care the world for transgender people.

And it's only with the deepest love that you inform them that they're delusional and wrong.

I just believe that the current way of handling things is not correct.
I've seen lots of pictures of transgender "neo-vaginas" and they look absolutely disgusting. It's basically an open wound and you have to keep a stick inside it to keep it open.
Also, there's hair growing in the walls of it and when you put the stick in there, it rips hair off and every once in a while you have to rip out the hairball out of the "neo-vagina"
They also smell disgusting, or so I've read. And the posts I've read are support forums for people with complications.
The research right now isn't enough.
There's lots of people who really really regret getting the surgery. Like really.

Your words of deep concern and respect for the various facets of this complex question brings a tear to my eyes it really does...
 
I don't care. I've had enough for today at least. You win. You're not a bigot. I'm sure you care the world for transgender people.

And it's only with the deepest love that you inform them that they're delusional and wrong.



Your words of deep concern and respect for the various facets of this complex question brings a tear to my eyes it really does...
Well, could you point to me in any way that my information is not correct?
Those are not words of care, nor are they words of hate. They are just stating what I've realized with my research.
There's difference between knowing facts about something and not knowing anything about the subject and just hating the people who do/are it.
The first one is informed position, where you don't hate the ones who are influenced by it. You might disagree with how it's done right now, but why would you hate the transgenders? It's not their fault.
The second one would be bigotry.
You just looked up the thread to find something "bad" and posted it to make me look bad. Once again, straw man. Address my full arguments and we'll talk.
 
Only a few decades ago and still in some countries it's considered odd for a woman to wear pants. Now we all do and noone thinks she's crossdressing.
Eventually it will be the normal for a lack of wording just like everything else.
In my high school people stayed in the closet , within 10 years we were having the first same sex marriages.

I was at the beer store at 9 am in my pj pants so who am I to judge.
I wish people had freedom to wear what they want without others making them feel bad
 
I will say that I do believe upon reflection that there is a transgender "coolness" factor right now, it's such an "in thing", for some. Now I firmly believe that some people are and have always legitimately been transgender. These people have not attempted to guide others to3wards it, nor do they want anything but acceptance of who they are by society. However I see a lot of people who are confused or looking for acceptance or to wear a badge of valor for their peers (who may be in the trans fad) deciding to transition, seemingly because it's the thing to do, What kinda clinched it for me was when my girlfriend's sister decided that she is actually a man and within 2 days of deciding, got prescribed hormones and is growing facial hair, getting a deep voice, etc. trying to be a man, whereas until all of her friends started transitioning, she was always all about being a gay woman, extremely outspoken about it. She criticizes my girlfriend about being a "normie" by being heterosexual. It's definitely a "scene thing for her and I find it kinda disturbing and sad, and I really hope she doesn't regret it. But she is, honestly, kind of a self-righteous asshole sometimes.

But I strongly believe we need to separate what is perhaps a somewhat toxic agenda by some, from the legitimate claims of self-idenbtification from some people. What the real transgender people want and have always wanted is simply to be allowed to be who they feel they are, without being harrassed, feared, and scorned. I believe it is the moral imperative of a moral society to allow others the freedom to exist as they are, and not have bigotry towards some lifestyles baked into the culture and tacitly (or explicitly) allowed.
 
I will say that I do believe upon reflection that there is a transgender "coolness" factor right now, it's such an "in thing", for some. Now I firmly believe that some people are and have always legitimately been transgender. These people have not attempted to guide others to3wards it, nor do they want anything but acceptance of who they are by society. However I see a lot of people who are confused or looking for acceptance or to wear a badge of valor for their peers (who may be in the trans fad) deciding to transition, seemingly because it's the thing to do, What kinda clinched it for me was when my girlfriend's sister decided that she is actually a man and within 2 days of deciding, got prescribed hormones and is growing facial hair, getting a deep voice, etc. trying to be a man, whereas until all of her friends started transitioning, she was always all about being a gay woman, extremely outspoken about it. She criticizes my girlfriend about being a "normie" by being heterosexual. It's definitely a "scene thing for her and I find it kinda disturbing and sad, and I really hope she doesn't regret it. But she is, honestly, kind of a self-righteous asshole sometimes.

But I strongly believe we need to separate what is perhaps a somewhat toxic agenda by some, from the legitimate claims of self-idenbtification from some people. What the real transgender people want and have always wanted is simply to be allowed to be who they feel they are, without being harrassed, feared, and scorned. I believe it is the moral imperative of a moral society to allow others the freedom to exist as they are, and not have bigotry towards some lifestyles baked into the culture and tacitly (or explicitly) allowed.

Like the early 90's it was a fad for 2 girls to make out at a party. I'm sure some were bi sexual but a few doing it for attention from the guys.
What a silly thing to judge people about.

One of the best peices of advice I have ever gotten is live and let live. Of course we are all guilty sometimes depending on lifes circumstances but i make an effort every day to be a kind person. Quitting cigarettes and methadone made it hard but at least I have appolgized to the ones that I owed an apology to and bluelight being bluelight they all understood and accepted my apology
 
Yep, my girlfriend (then wife, then ex-wife - same person, just felt the need to specify that me and that person are not together anymore thank god) was into making out with girls in freshman year of college, especially one girl in particular, a friend of ours, who would always tell me she was going to steal her from me (she was gay). My girlfriend was just doing it for fun, definitely not gay or even bisexual.
 
I think the man in the picture looks bad simply because his fashion choices are hideous. He should not be caught dead in a skirt like that. It doesn't suit his body shape at all.

My main issue with cross dressing is taste level. It's generally fully adult men who start doing it, and they never went through the acculturation process of learning how to look good. So they usually end up looking hideous and then claim prejudice is happening. No... it's that your taste level begs for improvement.

I've honestly seen some guys in women's fashion and I thought they looked good. Really well styled, they pulled it off. Other guys just look tacky, especially when they put their Party City wigs and dollar store panty hose. God help us! It's not enough for a man to slap on a skirt and call it a day. Because of societal pressure, women put in concerted effort into pulling off a look. If guys want to join that world and be respected - even if it's shallow - then they kind of have to do the same thing.
 
I mean but... why is it a problem for anyone if they don't nail their fashion sense? Who cares if someone doesn't dress fashionably? What impact does that have on anyone else?
 
I think the man in the picture looks bad simply because his fashion choices are hideous. He should not be caught dead in a skirt like that. It doesn't suit his body shape at all.

My main issue with cross dressing is taste level. It's generally fully adult men who start doing it, and they never went through the acculturation process of learning how to look good. So they usually end up looking hideous and then claim prejudice is happening. No... it's that your taste level begs for improvement.

I've honestly seen some guys in women's fashion and I thought they looked good. Really well styled, they pulled it off. Other guys just look tacky, especially when
I mean but... why is it a problem for anyone if they don't nail their fashion sense? Who cares if someone doesn't dress fashionably? What impact does that have on anyone else?

Most important question- what impact does it have on everyone else?... it doesn't have an impact on anyone's life and I wish more people would think that way
 
Aren't the Scotts half way there already? ;)

I think a lot of it has to do with whether the culture and society you're part of is secular or not. I'm in Tennessee(transplant) and my part is getting more woke and secular and I'm starting to see some out of the hetero-norm fashion. It's frankly enlightening for such a backwards uneducated state to start seeing social progress.

As for the older generations, I don't know if they'll ever accept it. They are so stuck in their ways. For example my father looks down on his children that aren't professionals and god forbid if he finds out you've done drugs. Meanwhile marijuana is close to being legalized.
 
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