On a side note, I've tried all the opioids including H and fentanyl but by far the wierdest opioid is not tramadol but demerol. Demerol hits so many receptors and snorted around 100mg-150mg you feel like you just did some good coke with a bump of ketamine. It is very strange excecpt its very euphoric even in small doses.
Tramadol on the other hand is not too special. I like codeine much better but the codeine only lasts 2.5hrs so very short buzz to say the least. With tramadol I think the best use is for depression (esp with the depression/lack of motivation) that comes when your are in withdrawl. In terms of nodding out and euphoria its not much to be honest (very little euphoria) and you can't take more than 400mg due to seizures per day so to each their own.
p.s. In my opinion I think kratom (normal not extract) is way more of an opiate than either tramadol or codeine, itd compare its strange effects almost to demerol except not as demented (i had histamine like halluciantions on demerol) and i think with the right tolerence and right dose one could get the euphic effects of demerol without the fucked up side of demerol and depending on dose it can be very similar to tramadol but much more euphoria in my opinion
Tramadol on the other hand is not too special. I like codeine much better but the codeine only lasts 2.5hrs so very short buzz to say the least. With tramadol I think the best use is for depression (esp with the depression/lack of motivation) that comes when your are in withdrawl. In terms of nodding out and euphoria its not much to be honest (very little euphoria) and you can't take more than 400mg due to seizures per day so to each their own.
p.s. In my opinion I think kratom (normal not extract) is way more of an opiate than either tramadol or codeine, itd compare its strange effects almost to demerol except not as demented (i had histamine like halluciantions on demerol) and i think with the right tolerence and right dose one could get the euphic effects of demerol without the fucked up side of demerol and depending on dose it can be very similar to tramadol but much more euphoria in my opinion