took sub this morning, copped H this afternoon . WTF?

So what are you thinking you might do Jake?

Your probably running low on meds, at least that is what it sounds like. Did you ditch your sub doctor or do you have a appointment date that you could go back and score more? Or are you high right now with dope in your pocket and body? The positive thing is that you are seeking a method to try and get clean. Just having that seed in your head is a big obstacle you have already cleared. Now you just have to wait for the seed to grow or let it lay dormant for awhile.

There is really no right, wrong, or definite manner to get clean. I take it you haven't been going to NA meetings you were talking about awhile back. Just go there and dont worry about what anybody says just explain what you are going thru. Get it out, talk about it. Sometimes just talking about 'things' lets me hear my voice out loud and sometimes I will stop when I am saying something and realize, man wtf am I talking about. I dont know.

I know I kinda wanted to get clean for a long time but I just had to grow out of that cycle of opiate abuse. Like I have said before it took me a couple of years on bupe before I put down the needle, than many more years to just acclimate myself to maintenance. Finally I think I was just plagued by always having to have pills on me all the time and decided to get off bupe. That was a long process also but I did it and man things are really starting to feel great clean. Trust me coming from me that is saying a lot.

I cant really say what really helped me though, the biggest thing like I mentioned was just growing up. My family are huge enablers [I still dont work, andget handed money when ever I want it, I dont even buy my own tobacco products or food or shit anything]. Changing that is the next step for me which is going to be eye opening, to say the least. Nobody has pushed me to do that either which is strange at times but it is a godsend. My family has ALWAYS let me take my own course with addiction and would try to steer me in the right direction but never by ultimatums or forcing me.

Get back on the subs, stabilize [how ever long it takes], get around some positive people [no matter how stupid they sound], try to do something daily to benefit your addiction [meetings/talking/something]. Dont worry about 'getting clean' just stabilize yourself for a few weeks where you dont use heroin. Than think about getting clean and what might work. I dont know rambled way too long.

peace.
seedless
 
Im ready to say F it and just become a strait up dopefiend again . i cant handle life. my dads ready to cut me off..............i just cant take this anymore. subs aint gonna cut it and i dont have money for nothin , and no one to help me
 
I was just watching a documentary and an African Shaman suggested Ibogaine as a treatment for heroin addiction.

Ibogaine is illegal in the United States, but in Mexico there are clinics that can administer treatment.

Don't give up Jake. <3
 
hey jake dont do that man i know exactly how u feel when ur sayin just fuck it theres no point of me suffering when i know at the end of the day i cant c myself sober for the rest of my life. You know what it is tho mayb we or just me never hit rock bottom i mean trust me ive bin 2 hell n back the past 6 years but i guess other people had it alot worse "to each his own". Just keep at it bro keep trying like i said b4 when u become a millionar n hav a family n got all ur shit straight then u can fuck around again if u want hopefully u wont want 2. Comeon man try what im doin n stay on the subs 4 alittle while ive heard of people saying that they really get very minimum w/d's if they keep their sub intake at less then 1mg a day so that is also what im doin n i feel aight i guess. I still get crazy cravings thru the day i even called my dealer 2days ago but thank god he wasnt around. Today im like shit if i woulda got it 2 days ago i woulda enjoyed it that day n 2day id b feeling 10 times shittier and would wanna use 10 times more. You gotta make it atleast 2 a week thats when i think ur mind starts goin shit i cant relapse i just suffered all that for nuthing no way n that helps motivate me 2 stay clean. Anyways keep us updated man n dont giv up pls.

ya controled u hav nuthin 2 worry about i really dont get these dumb doctors tho i dont get y they would giv u such a high dose. Like the other person said after 2 weeks of sub use i cant imagine u goin thru paws from the subs mayb u will still get paws from ur original doc but not from the subs especially not for 6 months. If u r worried u can always keep some subs as back up n if u really feel that bad u can take little crumbs 2 help u feel better like defentily less then 1mg tho.

last thing i dont think i would try ibogaine ive read way to many horror stories bout that shit.Ive done rapid detox b4 n that was full of shit so im guessing so is the ibogaine. Id try it at home or something n giv it a shot but i wouldnt go 2 a inpatient 4 it.
 
Im ready to say F it and just become a strait up dopefiend again . i cant handle life. my dads ready to cut me off..............i just cant take this anymore. subs aint gonna cut it and i dont have money for nothin , and no one to help me

Heres a wild idea since suboxone hasent worked for you maybe try methadone for instance. It works better for some people then buprenorphine does and ive known more then a few people who have had sucess with it. Sure methadone withdrawal sucks worse then heroin withdrawal but hey atleast if your on a stable dose your not constantly looking for another fix to get your sick off.

So i don't know maybe give it a try.
 
man you're letting ifs and buts get you down too much. positive thinking is the most important for anyone in ANY kind of crisis!

you say you have "no one to help me". i dont get it. if your parents are basically funding your dope addiction, cant they also fund your recovery from it? they cant be THAT evil. theres something you're not telling us here.

i cant imagine an IV user "having it too easy to hit rock bottom". ive only been shooting for a year and im convinced this is not the life for me and i need to get clean!
 
had a 60-90mg hydro/oxy a day habit for a year...and using less but still consistently for two years prior. i've been wanting to clean for almost a year now and tricking myself saying one more time, i can taper, ect...

i got lucky. i got 16mg of subs last week, 4mg wed - sat. 25 mg hydro on mon and tuesday this week. it's been about 130 something hours since my last sub and almost 48 hours since last tab. usually i'd be doing anything for dope on the day of stopping or for sure the day after if i ran out and wasn't trying to stop. this is the first time i've gone this long without bad w/ds. i don't know if i was lucking timing the subs right but i don't even want tabs anymore. i don't think it can still be the subs after this long.

jake - i know how you feel. not as extreme but i can relate. i know it's hard. shit sucks. glad i made it this long. i just told my dad that even if i relapsed I still was able to do this and have inspired myself.

-forgot to mention i haven't taking a bar or any reefer since saturday either. i did get a few somas today from the doc for my carpal tunnel but only took one. def dont want to get hooked on that.i used that as an excuse for opiate use...even though the pain was real it made me feel better about the addiction
 
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um took like a third of 4 mg of sub today , takin some tmrw and may get some methadone saturday morning , meantime im broke as hell and have a court ticket to pay tuesday , a crazy girlfriend, my dad is threatening to cut me off, i only get about 6 hours of work a week paying 8 bucks an hour at job i have and cant find a better one...............and my mom is so depresssed she sits on a couch watching tv every damn day all day .............what a life.................
 
I know since i became addicted to heroin my tolerance for physical pain of any sort has decreased drastically. Common colds i previously shrugged off, feel like im dying etc
Withdrawal physically isnt that bad really its the mental thoughts that mess you up and most of all cravings. Im on methadone and find it far better than subs for cravings and at a fairly high dose just as effective a blocker.i wish you well
 
yeah too bad jerks wont gimme methadone . just cuz i take klonopin

I'm not buying this. Albeit not every MMT clinic allows patients to use benzodiazepines, I know someone who was on alprazolam and methadone at the same time, and the clinic they went to was OK with that, he just had to sign a waiver.

I think if you cared enough about your recovery, you would call every MMT clinic until you found the one that was OK with concurrent benzodiazepine use.
 
Dont you live in New Jersey jake? I have a hard time believing that there are only 2 methadone clinics within an hour of where you live. I agree with you jake there is no alternative you should just go shoot dope all hope is gone. Thats what you want to hear right? You want us to help you justify your continued drug abuse. This thread has gone for 7 pages I think everyone who posts in the darkside has offered suggestions but you got so many reasons why every option wont work. Yes there will be consequences for seeking help but what are the consequences if you continue to shoot dope? You need to wiegh the pros and cons of each option then decide if you think your life is good the way it is if so then fuck everybody keep on going and live your life. This constant conflict between you trying to get sober and wanting to use seems to be causing more damage then just commiting to one or the other and going with it. but thats just my .02 cents
 
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