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To long time RC users, how do you feel while sober?

2 months 2 late

I used 2C-I in the early-mid 2000's often twice a week, but never more than that (as far as frequency is concerned). I developed HPPD exclusively from 2C-I as far as I can tell. Anyway, other than that my body was fucked up before I used drugs and it's fucked up now but I'm healthier now than I was years ago.

One thing to note is that my visual perception of reality is considerably different than what it was when I first started having HPPD symptoms. It used to be isolated incidences. I'd see trails on cars, the carpet would morph, things that were small and insignificant but novel. These persisted (and become more permanent) over the years but it was only when I started playing around with tryptamines, did the HPPD symptoms change. I've used lots of tryptamines in very high doses over the past 2 years, sometimes in binges.

Now the effects are more like a low dose DMT trip than a low dose LSD/mushroom trip like they were before. The visuals are ever-changing, but it's consistent in intensity on a daily basis. I suffer some mild word-salad in high-stress settings and sometimes experience depersonalization and/or derealization and memory flashbacks (usually of things not drug related) that are powerful enough to disrupt my thinking. Oddly the DP/DR doesn't mess with my thinking so much, just distracts it. It's the mini-mind flashbacks that will randomly make me laugh out loud inappropriately, want to cry or just make me feel good. The memory recall is affected by environmental triggers but the recall is intensified in experience.
 
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I feel pretty great tbh. :D

Used a bunch of different 2cs, 4- trypts; other trypts like aMT - 5-meo-aMT - DMT; MDxxs, stimulants, dissociatives, the JWH series of cannaboids, etc.
 
^^^Not really, each RC should have their own progress report cards like Mephedrone and MDPV do. This one is way to broad and the information would be too much to sift through.

On the subject though, I feel great while sober.....except when I'm working my butt off like today!!
 
Am I the only one who thinks the question in this topic is a bit... broad? (Edit: Apparently I'm not :p) May as well as "To long time drug users, have you experienced any negative effects?" it really depends on exactly which drugs you've taken, how often, the kind of doses you took, whether you combined them with anything, what kind of setting you were in, your physical and mental health at the time.. there are too many factors involved for such a broad question to be of any use.

If you focused on a single drug it might make more sense.

Though, of the RC users I know, the only issues I've had people come across frequently are addiction to some of the moreish RCs like Mephedrone and MDPV, and some lasting vasoconstriction and the regular negative side-effects of stimulants in those users.
 
I think doing one specific RC exclusively is good for research on side effects but bad for yourself. The RC I've abused the most was AMT and I had a few issues during that research (about three times I went blind for a few moments, lights would get intense in brightness and then fade to darkness for a couple of minutes) I Dunno if it's an issue just with myself and my blood sugar, since it's something I vaguely get when I stretch but I've never had the blindness last as long as it did during that period in my life.
I think the key to research is just moderating your usage and varying the substances you use. I mean look at Shulgin, he doesn't seem like he's too concerned about side effects.
 
I feel great, actually. :D

I've tried so many different RCs, I wouldn't even know where to start. Odds are if its been available within the last few years I've probably tried it at least once.

But yeah, feelin' good these days. :) I haven't used any psychedelics besides DMT in ~15 months though.

"RC"s and/or other psychedelics have never caused me any problems, honestly (except maybe some goofy-ass thought patterns).

Its shit like opiates and benzos that have really fucked me up, but I've been off of all that shit for a while now as well.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Am I the only one who thinks the question in this topic is a bit... broad? (Edit: Apparently I'm not :p) May as well as "To long time drug users, have you experienced any negative effects?" it really depends on exactly which drugs you've taken, how often, the kind of doses you took, whether you combined them with anything, what kind of setting you were in, your physical and mental health at the time.. there are too many factors involved for such a broad question to be of any use.

If you focused on a single drug it might make more sense.

Though, of the RC users I know, the only issues I've had people come across frequently are addiction to some of the moreish RCs like Mephedrone and MDPV, and some lasting vasoconstriction and the regular negative side-effects of stimulants in those users.
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Lol read the post above you......oh I C your edit!!
 
Despite the really vague topic I feel like there's one thing I could share.

The fact that most "RCs" are purchased in bulk it kind of made it easier to get into abusive use patterns, so I stopped treating psychedelics with as much respect for a while.
 
^^^That is a great point. When all I knew of was LSD/shrooms/mescaline I only tripped about 4 times a year(round the year 2000). With all of the resources now, and countless chemicals, I tripped well over 30 times this year. Big time difference.
 
I do not have any negative lasting effects from any of the 10 or so psychedelic RC's I have tried. I tend to stick with dpt, and, 4-aco-dmt. If anything I would say Phens seem to carry more of a risk of short/long term damage. All the research I have done on the most common 4 substituted tryptamines, its pretty clear how safe they are. Mescaline from all the research I have done on it, its actually not harmful. I would think 2c-I carries more of a risk than Mescaline, this is speculation.
 
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It is likely that all of the 2C-x compounds have similar levels of toxicity, with the 2C-halides (I,C, and B) being indistinguishable in this regard and the 2C-alkanes (E, P, and D) likewise being comparable in terms of toxicity. These simple 2C's are generally accepted to have a low level of toxicity, although a short history of use, and an incomplete understanding of their mechanism of action, leaves some of this to speculation. To give you a ballpark idea, they are likely somewhat more toxic than most tryptamines and lysergamides, and definitely less toxic than MDxx and bk-MDxx compounds for instance.

The 2C-T-x (thioalkane) compounds are considerably less safe than their simpler substituted cousins, and most have at least some deaths associated with their use (usually in combination with one or more strong stimulants). I believe that this is because they exhibit selective monoamine oxidase inhibition, which can cause a hypertensive crisis in high enough doses/combinations due to the contraindicated stimulant + MAOI effect.

The dihydrofuran and tetrahydrofuran 2C's ("flies" and "dragonflies", not necessarily respectively) are far less researched than the 2C's lacking the tell-tale wing structures. I would stay away from these. They are very potent, and it appears much more toxic than the earlier generation 2C's.

The alpha-methylated 2C's (DOB, DOI, DOM, etc) last a LOT longer and are a LOT more potent than their phenethylamine counterparts. I would suspect that they are also somewhat more toxic, although I would speculate that this is to a lesser degree than with the flies and dragonflies.

The alpha-methyled, winged 2C's (Bromo-Dragonfly and the like) are VERY VERY TOXIC, and have been known to cause severe adverse reactions including deaths in the accepted dosage range of the first-gen 2C's. It seems that Shulgin got it right the first time, but you can bet that China is going to continue churning out increasingly toxic substituted phenethylamine varients until they produce something so toxic that you can die just from looking at it, at which point all of these wonderful RC's are going to get scheduled, but I digress.
 
Saucy said:
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It is likely that all of the 2C-x compounds have similar levels of toxicity, with the 2C-halides (I,C, and B) being indistinguishable in this regard and the 2C-alkanes (E, P, and D) likewise being comparable in terms of toxicity. These simple 2C's are generally accepted to have a low level of toxicity, although a short history of use, and an incomplete understanding of their mechanism of action, leaves some of this to speculation. To give you a ballpark idea, they are likely somewhat more toxic than most tryptamines and lysergamides, and definitely less toxic than MDxx and bk-MDxx compounds for instance.

The 2C-T-x (thioalkane) compounds are considerably less safe than their simpler substituted cousins, and most have at least some deaths associated with their use (usually in combination with one or more strong stimulants). I believe that this is because they exhibit selective monoamine oxidase inhibition, which can cause a hypertensive crisis in high enough doses/combinations due to the contraindicated stimulant + MAOI effect.


The dihydrofuran and tetrahydrofuran 2C's ("flies" and "dragonflies", not necessarily respectively) are far less researched than the 2C's lacking the tell-tale wing structures. I would stay away from these. They are very potent, and it appears much more toxic than the earlier generation 2C's.

The alpha-methylated 2C's (DOB, DOI, DOM, etc) last a LOT longer and are a LOT more potent than their phenethylamine counterparts. I would suspect that they are also somewhat more toxic, although I would speculate that this is to a lesser degree than with the flies and dragonflies.

The alpha-methyled, winged 2C's (Bromo-Dragonfly and the like) are VERY VERY TOXIC, and have been known to cause severe adverse reactions including deaths in the accepted dosage range of the first-gen 2C's. It seems that Shulgin got it right the first time, but you can bet that China is going to continue churning out increasingly toxic substituted phenethylamine varients until they produce something so toxic that you can die just from looking at it, at which point all of these wonderful RC's are going to get scheduled, but I digress.
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Please give me your brain now...............j/k great post, I just learned many things from your wisdom =D=D
 
I've used unresearched psychedelics about once a month for 13 years, more frequently recently, including aMT, a monoamine releaser, for that whole duration. The worst I've gotten is brain zaps from releasers (aMT, MDAI, methylone, mephedrone), but I've recently found a combo of 5HTP and green tea extract (to block liver enzymes from destroying the 5HTP to give it a chance to get to my brain) effectively prevents them. Releasers are definitely more dangerous than the non-monoamine releasing 5-HT psychedelics. I've never had any worrisome after affects from that type of psychedelic.
 
Quote: "I have a friend who swears that 2C-I disrupted his ability to regulate his body temperature, though. However, it should be noted that this problem has never caused him any medically-documented adverse events-- it could be purely perceptual. "

I took 8, 17-23mg doses of 2c-I over 5 months and had some similar side effects, many of which have gone away for the most part. Although I am pretty skinny, I have felt the cold to be much more unbarable then ever before. Sometimes it will get my body to shake/contract over and over from the cold. Never really had this happen before, I could manage it and go inside and then shake out the cold. Dunno if it is similar to what you are discussing.

Quote: "i decided to take a break form weekly and monthly use of psychedelics and the following year i started to develope fasiculations(muscle twitches) in my back.they moved to my thighs and now they are pretty much all over my body and almost constant"

For 6+ months after taking 2c-i, I had some muscle spasms as well, regardless of temperature. It is similar to the stimulant effect while on 2c-i, where so much energy builds up your need to shake/shiver it out of you (not in a cold way, but more an energy release way). I felt that I would get little spasms, that seems to be a left over 2c-i body load. It has disapeered for the most part after 8+ months. It really did take awhile, but I feel almost completely back to normal, and even a little sharper mentally than ever before.

One of the biggest helps was this White Noise / Binaural beats Burnout Recovery mp3 I used. That thing seriously works wonders, I'll upload it for everyone here with some other Key ones. They only take 10-20 minutes to listen to, and if you que them up before sleep they are great, and will have you feeling so much better and recovered in the morning from RC burnout. I was surprised at how well it worked. I'll zip some of them up and post it.
 
Burnout Recovery (White Noise) - Helped me more than anything it seems.

Every morning after listening to this Burnout Recover mp3 I felt more and more recovered, more like myself. After doing a fair amount of 2c-I in a short period of time, I had muscle spasms, a left over stimulant body load, some memory issues, and a left over burnt out feeling.

Since this helped me in recovering to an even sharper mental state than before, I thought I would upload it for anyone here who is in need. Each session is two 10 minute mp3s, one with whitenoise and the sounds of a creak/water flowing by your head with slow wind blowing, and a second track which is ultrasonic and appears to be silent.

I have tried out hundreds of these types of things, and found this to be one of the best if not the overall best I've come across. I hope this helps out others on their path to recovery...

I uploaded the mp3's as a zip file here @ http://www.mediafire.com/?qzqfn688gjopoc8

Be well,

Bi0hazardOpeth
 
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I take RC's a lot and my Nazi fish is better than ever. Although they really should not-deeply battered cod- have cut that tree down.
 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this before. Just look at the Shulgins. Decades of experimentation with many products that were never synthesized elsewhere.
Most Phens and Tryps known to man were tried by Sasha or Ann. Sasha is 80+ and so far keeps it up!
 
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