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Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1

Nether Animal said:
I kicked a several-gram a day habit around nine months ago. I had been using it daily for around 7-8 months. It wasn't pleasant, and I had trouble finding anything to combat the withdrawal symptoms. Megadosing gabepentin didn't do much, and even morphine injections in the hospital weren't doing much more than giving me ~15 minutes of relief every 3 hours. I was actually still so sick by that point, I walked out of the hospital to go score heroin, which finally brought me back. In hindsight, that was an insanely stupid decision but I really was still that sick from it. I ended up having to go back to heroin to get off of it, which ironically is what I used the tianeptine for originally. But like any other new habit, the first couple of months on tianeptine were amazing. Never been so productive and had a sense of well-being before.
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Seems like mostly your talking about acute withdrawals. I'm very familiar with Tianeptine withdrawals... They really suck.

I'm mostly asking about how things are after withdrawals are over, I suspect that Tianeptine might be able to cause long term PAWS similar but different from opioids because of it's TCA like action. I assume depression and anxiety? Worse than regular opioid PAWS (hopefully not though). Hope I'm making sense...
 
That's not good. Crap. Since Tianeptine seems to wear off quickly I always assumed acute withdrawals would be mostly over in 3-4 days. 6 at the most.

:/

Hopefully by tapering as low as possible I can make things bearable. At 3+ grams withdrawals were frighteningly intense when they kicked in. Worse then I remember all other opioid withdrawals being in intensity (I've withdrawal separately from codeine, hydrocodone, morphine, oxycodone, buprenorphine, tramadol, Poppy pods and probably a few others). Could never make it past a few hours once they set in fully from such high doses.

When at about 400mg I tried going for a couple days without. Was much much more bearable but it still sucked ass... Wouldn't want to have to deal with it for more than a few days... And definitely not for two weeks.

Hopefully getting it down to like 100-200mg a day and it'll be a relative breeze. Though regardless of how low I get I still think I'm going to suffer a long period of depression since I've been on it so long...
 
MDPV_Psychosis said:
Ive mentioned before that I'm slowly tapering from very high doses. Was using 3+ grams a day of Tianeptine sodium at one point.

Got down to around 300-500mg a day of the Tianeptine Free acid awhile back but then my taper stalled.

Found a good deal on Tianeptine sodium around Thanksgiving. I shouldn't have bought the stuff because I find the sodium stuff harder to control. By Christmas I was back up to using 1.2g a day.

Started tapering again with Free acid version and now I'm down to 500mg a day. Hope to back to 300mg a day in a month or so. Then on down to zero.

Has anyone quit tianeptine after using it daily in high doses long term? I'm wondering how bad the depression and Tianeptine specific PAWS will be after I quit.

I'm not so worried about the post acute opioid withdrawal specific related stuff. I'm well experienced with quitting long term opioid use. I'm more concerned with tianeptines effect as a TCA. I suspect there will be lingering depression and anxiety for quite awhile after stopping use for such a long time (3 years now... Holy shit time flies).

Anyone have any first hand experience quitting a long term tianeptine habit? I'm trying to prepare myself in hopes of minimizing relapse. May consider pharmaceutical antidepressants if things get really bad.
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Hey man, you helped me on here a while back ago. I finally quit around october, at my height I was using 7-10 grams of sodium a day and dosing every hour just to feel ok, this shit kinda reminded me of fent for that. The WD's from those doses are far worse though. I got down to about a gram of sodium and a gram of sulfate in the morning before I quit. But i dropped off so fast I'm not sure if it helped at all. I couldn't put it in words how bad the WD's were, oh my god. As far as the PAWS, I wanted to stay off all opiods when i quit, but the PAWS got to me bad and i got back on kratom, I was extremely hypersensitive the first couple months and I didn't sleep for a month easy, even with kratom. I had bad depression and would feel anxious at times, but I dealed with that my whole life so I could never tell if its opiate related or not. It sucks, but its definitely possible. I look back now and quitting Tia was the best i could of done for myself. I actually found almost 5 grams of sodium in my moving garage a little more then a month ago, went through it in 4 days to find i was still having tolerance issues 3 months later, crazy. So i havent thought about it sense, its just not what i want anymore

edit: check up and let me know how you're doing cause i would like to know, hope all is well
 
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Thanks for the reply youniverse.

Im doing ok. Glad to hear back from you. Are you still using Kratom daily? I've been thinking of switching to Kratom for awhile too.

Still using ~400mg a day of Tianeptine free acid right now. My taper always seems to stall around this point, it's just damn hard for me to get any lower than 300-400mg a day. Might have to just jump but I'm always so damn busy with work that the time never feels right...
 
300-400mg would of been a huge accomplishment for me. I would try jumping and see how you feel. I know what you mean about work though, quitting almost cost me my job. I would think at your doses kratom should still work well for you, at least enough to help you quit or switch. I'm been taking kratom almost everyday since, i work five days a week and on my off days ill usually drop my dose big time to help control tolerance a bit. I use that and kava now and it helps tremendous from keeping me off strong opiods, stimulants, phenibut/etizolam which i all had a bad problem with. I would really suggest trying to jump though, i might just say that because ive always been horrible at tapering but i think at the dose your at you can easily switch to kratom to help you manage. Kratom might not seem like its doing much at first but overtime I promise you once you get in that PAWS area kratom will make you not even think about Tia, I was surprised how much it killed my cravings.
 
I know from previous experience that I can switch to Kratom no problem at least at the low Tianeptine dose I'm at now. Hopefully I'll find it easier to taper down with kratom... I've got lots of Tianeptine on hand though so I might as well taper even lower with it, at least for the time being.

When I was using high doses of tianeptine I found that Kratom was essentially useless. At 3g of Tianeptine a day I couldn't feel Kratom and it did a horrible job as a substitute when I tried to switch suddenly. But once I tapered to less than a gram a day I noticed Kratom started to be much more effective. Then once I got to about 500mg a day I noticed Kratom worked very well.

Guess high dose Tianeptine just wrecks tolerance. I think I remember reading earlier up in thread where a guy said even heroin didn't hold him so well when he tried to switch to that from high dose Tianeptine. Crazy huh.
 
Yeah, well it did but I went back to $80 of smack a day like it was nothing. Didn't even need to start low. Fucking crazy. Morphine didn't touch it either. I remember one morning I was literally putting water in my old jars and shaking them and drinking it just to get some of the dust I was so raunchily sick.

Now I've gone from smack to tianeptine back to smack to neurontin/lyrica. The ride never ends...
 
Nether Animal said:
The ride never ends...
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Sigh. I hear ya.

I've been keeping every jar of Tianeptine since day one. Since I've been using it 3-4 years I've got a shit load of them. I bet if I scrapped em all out I'd have numerous grams worth. It's my backup in the event I suddenly run out.
 
No, quetiapine is an anti-psychotic, by antagonizing dopamine 2 receptors, along with serotonin 2 receptors. It's also a anti-histamine. Those things make it really good at ending meth/amphs trips, but I doubt they'd help during withdrawals.

Tianeptine is basically an opioid. It's a full agonist at the MOR, and like nothing else, not even delta or kappa receptors.

There's probably some other aspect that keeps it from being abused more often, and keep in mind, you'll have to withdraw off of it.
 
I am going to snort three lines of methylphenidate and after I will take 250mg tianeptine with 100mg clorazepate and 75mg doxylamine.
 
I am snorting methylphenidate and right now I have taken 125mg tianeptine and when finish with methylphenidate I will take other dose of 250mg
 
Hello, i just want to share my experience...i have been smoking hydromorphone powder -pure from medical factory, 4 months in crazy amounts...than i ran out and i used tramadol as a substitude just to not feel like i am gonna die, for like 2 weeks..today is my first day without any opiod,not even tramadol. When i woke up today i took 100mg modafinil,so i can wake up and take care of my 5 months old dog. Since 12 pm i feel moderate opiate withdrawal, huge depression, cold hand, legs, runny nose and my eyes and head hurs..but before 1 hour i took 200mg tianeptine, i am prescribed 2x12,5mg daily by my psychiatrist, alongside with 0,5mg alprazolam daily..30 minutes after administration i felt nothing, than i ate some food and boom...huge warm feeling, itching, have energy and feeling good..iam really surprised by the potential of tianeptine sodium...but what do u think,am i just delaying my suffering or can i use in lower doses, like 50 mg, not to feel this good morphine-like high, but not to feel terribly depressed ? And i wont get hooked on tianeptine cause i am limited to 90x12,5mg pills per month.
 
Consuming your antidepressant in massive doses is not sustainable as you already know. Try taking it as prescribed it might work.
 
Just like seiko said.. Its a "Opiate". Tianeptine is a full agonist at the mu opioid receptor. Which is probably why you felt that "huge warm feeling".

I know opiates are great for depression (at least for me anyways) but if you're trying to get off opiates, I wouldnt take this. Maybe they can give you something else for depression?


 
The problem with tianeptine is, that it does not help me in recommended dosage, and i was given it only because i told my doc, who wanted to put me on citalopram, that i want velafaxine or bupropione or tianeptine, nothing else..so he put me on tianeptine, but i am not sure if i will even need any antidepressant cause i am starting to feel better. Which one of SSri class is the best and have the least sexual and weight side effects ? I would love to try wellbutrin because i like modafinil and in past i loved meth but he wont prescribe it to me for some reason...
 
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