Thumbprinting LSD

[squerll]

I never found the “thumbprint” chinacat post that interesting not enough to read more then 2 pages of the thread. But man people will be posting about this forever. It is kind of entertaining actually I usually don’t find Deadheads that amusing but it is always funny to see people get riled up about them. Hahaha

I’m with chinacat LSD is magic.lol

 

[B9]

I read/heard somewhere - so may or may not be true - that the police who raided the lab in the Op Julie bust all started tripping because there was either LSD "dust" all over the shop which they absorbed through their skin, or they inhaled it or something. Probably a myth, who knows.

It was said that the chemists didn't trip whilst manufacture because they built up a huge tolerance.

Please feel free to delete this post if it's a load of crap

Apparently true, tho not at Kemps lab, but at the one Henry Todd was running in London.

 

[Ness]

I could believe it. The dose on LSD is so tiny it'd be easy to inhale some or get some on your finger then in your eye while dismantling a lab.

 

[fastandbulbous]

I read/heard somewhere - so may or may not be true - that the police who raided the lab in the Op Julie bust all started tripping because there was either LSD "dust" all over the shop which they absorbed through their skin, or they inhaled it or something. Probably a myth, who knows.

It was said that the chemists didn't trip whilst manufacture because they built up a huge tolerance.

Please feel free to delete this post if it's a load of crap

Yes, airbourne particles produced a state that required a couple of officers getting treatment for the effects. Fuck knows what sort of dose they'd have ingested though...

 

[squerll]

On the subject of officers and LSD on dead tour their used to be crews of DEA agents that would try to get people laying sheets in hotel rooms. Their strategy was to storm a room line everyone up out front and then a couple of agents would go in the room turn off the lights and run through the room with large backlight wands. When people had used the room for laying sheets the handles and doorknobs would glow.
They scared the hell out of a lot of deadheads I don’t think they caught that many people though. I knew a few people that got terrorized in hotel rooms by them.

Thinking about it now it makes me wonder if the next people that rented the room would ever get high from touching the doorknobs and handles.

 

[drew345]

^^^
how is that a legal search? did they have warrants

 

[Ness]

They were hotel rooms. The owner of the hotel would be able to give consent.

 

[squerll]

^Those kinds of agents are some hard-core goons I don’t think they care about warrants.

 

[tobala]

They were hotel rooms. The owner of the hotel would be able to give consent.

In general, this is untrue. From a post by Banquo in the Legal Discussion forum:

"A hotel guest is entitled to the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. The hotel clerk had no authority to permit the room search and the police had no basis to believe that petitioner had authorized the clerk to permit the search...

At least twice the U.S. Supreme Court has explicitly refused to permit an otherwise unlawful police search of a hotel room to rest upon consent of the hotel proprietor."

Stoner v. California, Lustig v. United States, United States v. Jeffers.


This is the thread:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=352163

Please, no wisecracks about the plaintiff's surname. :D

 

[Max Power]

Please, no wisecracks about the plaintiff's surname. :D

Damn you for adding this disclaimer!!

 

[Ness]

The clerk doesn't have authority, but I think that the actual property owner/lease owner does. I could be totally wrong, I admit, but I think that is the case. If it's not, well, that's nothing but good news.

 

[It's a baby!]

This information has led some to speculate that Albert Hofmann actually didn't trip off LSD in that second, bicycle day synthesis; that he actually had a divine vision similar to some sort of vision he experienced in the woods as a child that he describes in LSD: My Problem Child. I don't ascribe to this theory at all, but it does lead one to wonder if Albert realized the psychoactive potential at some point decides to resynth this 5 year old chemical and dose himself. Or he licked his fingers like a naughty little chemist.

Peace,
PL

Meh, I think it's far more likely that he accidentally got some in his mouth. I know he was a meticulous chemist and all that, but it's not very hard to absentmindedly touch the area around your mouth or whatever. At least, I find that a lot more likely than "the magick lsd faeries gave him the sacred shamanic trip so that he could fight the nuclear weapons!!!" Kinda funny how chinacat says "lsd is the cure to the nuclear bomb" when the government was the first one to experiment with the stuff, trying to develop a powerful mind control drug for the cold war 8)

In fact if it wasn't for assholes like the CIA (and trust me, I agree that our government is composed of assholes) most of us would probably never even hear of the stuff.

[Edit: Decided that's not true, the two-line paragraph; psychiatry was into the drug before the CIA]

I guess the other possibility is that Hofmann's weird idea to revisit LSD was mystically influenced. I try to be scientific but I do believe in something "more", and I suppose it is possible that Hofmann, say, dreamed about the crystal and decided to eat some without telling everyone (because such behavior would have been seen as very unprofessional and maybe even gotten him fired).

Blech and don't bash the deadheads I love the grateful dead, it's just great music.

 

[swilow]

Meh, I think it's far more likely that he accidentally got some in his mouth. I know he was a meticulous chemist and all that, but it's not very hard to absentmindedly touch the area around your mouth or whatever

The only problem is that he was working with ergot alkaloids. He would have to be crazy/tripping to think about absetnly eating a bit, or eating it after dreaming. If you actually read the timeline of his accidental ingestion, the effects only seem to last for 3-4 hours which is VERY strange if it were LSD

Last Friday, April 16,1943, I was forced to interrupt my work in the laboratory in the middle of the afternoon and proceed home, being affected by a remarkable restlessness, combined with a slight dizziness. At home I lay down and sank into a not unpleasant intoxicated-like condition, characterized by an extremely stimulated imagination. In a dreamlike state, with eyes closed (I found the daylight to be unpleasantly glaring), I perceived an uninterrupted stream of fantastic pictures, extraordinary shapes with intense, kaleidoscopic play of colors. After some two hours this condition faded away.

From LSD: My Problem Child

Thats kind of weird I think. To have 'intense' CEV's off LSD usually (at least for me) requires a highish dose that would last a lot longer then 2 hours plus time to get home for Albert etc. plus I think the comeup would have been described as more then restlessness. Thats not to say I don't think Hofmann was tripping, but there are SOME odditties about his account.

 

[B9]

^It's possible he wasn't clock watching tho, I've lost chunks of time (hours) in a second, so if he was talking purely subjectively, it doesn't seem implausible or even odd. Guess we'll never know.

 

[swilow]

^Yes, true, hadn't really thought of that.

 

[tobala]

But didn't his assistant accompany his home--the world's first LSD "trip sitter"? :D

 

[It's a baby!]

Nah, it was a long time ago, but I my still be tripping from it!!

It appears that my edit button is actually a dyplicate button instead!

Not sure if I'm misinterpreting your words, but it appears from things you've said in other posts that you were somehow involved with upper-level LSD distribution. Care to give us more of an insight into how the LSD really is laid to paper?

If it was me, I'd get some everclear, and soak a large quantity of my brand of paper in it, hold it in window screen over the dish, and then, after all of the excess has dripped off into the original container, measure the change in volume to see how much liquid it'd hold.

For the actual laying of the LSD I'd probably do the same thing with the window screen, that way I don't lose anything to dripping and because the sheets are suspended horizontally I wouldn't have to worry about the "end piece" phenomenon (i.e. all the doses would really be 100mcg or whatever concentration I used, not doses on one end being 70mcg and doses on the other being 130).

Edit: This might be offtopic come to think of it, though there was a little discussion of the "LSD: Crystal to Blotter" thread further up so I figure it might be relevant. I'm new here and not sure how stringent you guys are about keeping everything directly related to the title. If so I'll just move it to a more appropriate thread or start a new one; I just figured it might be acceptable as this whole thread has become more of a "Chincat Sunflower: Bullshitter?" thing rather than about thumbprinting LSD specifically.

 

[swilow]

I just figured it might be acceptable as this whole thread has become more of a "Chincat Sunflower: Bullshitter?" thing rather than about thumbprinting LSD specifically.

Hmm, not really. Its still on the general subject of thumbprinting.

Really anyone who provides REAL information on the 'distribution' of LSD on this website is very unwise.

 

[tobala]

...I just figured it might be acceptable as this whole thread has become more of a "Chincat Sunflower: Bullshitter?" thing rather than about thumbprinting LSD specifically.

Well I think it's important to question people who romanticize behavior that is incredibly stupid and dangerous.

It's quite possible that the only reason there haven't been more casualties (systemic bleeding, severe HPPD, severe persistent depersonalization disorders, triggering of latent psychoses) as a result of people ingesting 50 milligrams or more of LSD is that--thankfully--it's so rare in that form and quantity.

And on that note, it's also quite possible the only thing that will outlive the immortal magick faeries is this fucking thread... 8)

 

[robatussin]

^^^ Noone knows the LD50 for any drug with humans (what researcher is going to get a grant to research that?). So that's probably for rats.

actually the ld50s for humans are known....all they need to do is take all the doses for people who died and match them to large doses people took and lived to tell the tale, find out what the average is for half the population to be a "fatal" dose and whala.