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Opioids This is my first time making it to 6-7 days clean. Do people really survive with 0-30 mins of sleep for that many days in a row?

when I stopped seroquel 400mg I didn't sleep more than 90mins per night for 71 days. I was also taking Ambien during that period. I ended up getting on Lunesta and after 71 days my sleep ability finally hit a default.

I saved a few pictures of how bad my eyes and under my eyes looked after 71 days. It was sketchy.
 
I slept I think around 90 minutes last night and that helped a tonne. As soon as this damned RLS goes away I should be good to go for sleep.

Also, I've been taking about 2 mg sometimes 4 mg of Imodium every day once my body starts ejecting. Is it okay to keep taking that?

Otherwise starting to feel a lot better just some stomach pain, sore legs and exhaustion. Fully expecting that damn RLS to be coming back anytime tho.

Also feel non stop cold 24/7 even with a heater 1 foot away going full blast at me and making me sweat like crazy lol.

The cold thing is becoming kind of a barrier to existence cause I really don't want to leave this heater. Well that and when I do get up my brain is like oh fuck that go sit down somewhere.
 
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ovo1024 said:
What was your habit like? And yeah the kratom didn't block the morphine, more likely you just didn't take that high of a dose. But yeah bro I can definitely relate to what you're saying about the no sleep part. The last time I went cold turkey off a heavy Fentanyl addiction because I was in jail, I couldn't eat or sleep for 4 days. It was horrible. Then finally they were so concerned about me because how hard I was detoxing that they actually put me on Klonopin, 2mg three times a day. For 5 days. But omg that made such a difference. I got plenty of sleep from there on out. So if you are able to get Xanax I'd say definitely go for it
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Well I did take 75 mg dose the first time and it didn't relieve a single withdrawal symptoms even for a moment. I heard Kratom being partial antagonist can block other opiates so I just assumed.

My habit has been.... Like 10 years of mostly 1-2 oxies per day, occasionally switch to Suboxone a few times which didn't work out well for me, then back to oxies then dillies then dillies and oxies. Like 12x 8 mg dillies per day recently.

The Xanax did help eventually I just had to keep eating them, waiting and hour, and then eating more as needed until I managed to get 1-2 hours of sleep
 
whereismylife said:
Well I did take 75 mg dose the first time and it didn't relieve a single withdrawal symptoms even for a moment. I heard Kratom being partial antagonist can block other opiates so I just assumed.

My habit has been.... Like 10 years of mostly 1-2 oxies per day, occasionally switch to Suboxone a few times which didn't work out well for me, then back to oxies then dillies then dillies and oxies. Like 12x 8 mg dillies per day recently.

The Xanax did help eventually I just had to keep eating them, waiting and hour, and then eating more as needed until I managed to get 1-2 hours of sleep
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Was the morphine instant release or extended release? Yeah morphine has a low bioavailability when taken orally as well. With the Xanax I would have started at 3mg until I was out for 10 hours lol
 
ovo1024 said:
Was the morphine instant release or extended release? Yeah morphine has a low bioavailability when taken orally as well. With the Xanax I would have started at 3mg until I was out for 10 hours lol
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Yeah kind of wish I did that but I'm new to Xanax so I was trying to be a bit careful on dosing, and I only have so many.

Morphine was 100 mg kadian but I crushed up the balls and sifted out the powder with my little tea strainer thingy. I took 75% the first day to no effect then 25% or less second day might have had some effect.

Regardless, I did get a little sleep and feel much better today, but.

Oh my fucking god with this RLS. It's just starting to come back now again... Super rough pain coming back into my feet.

When will it end? Will it ever end???? Does Canadian health coverage allow me to get both my legs amputated from below the knee???? Will it just spread up from there if I do that???

I fucking hate this RLS so much with a god damned passion.

The Dexedrine + varenicline + ALCAR combo worked super well for about 1.5 days as long as I did consistent dosing every 6-8 hours but that's just not working anymore as of yesterday

I just want to rest off this exhaustion and lingering nausea/stomach issues and feel okay but this god damned RLS is haunting me. It doesn't even seem to become less strong or painful as the days go by. I'm tired of taking so many showers and all that crap
 
Anyone have any remedies for the RLS??? I've tried every form of heat imaginable, I've tried magnesium lotion. I've tried every supplement I have. I've tried doing as many squats as I can manage before being out of breathe right now (which honestly isn't many in this state)

Shit I read somewhere pickle juice helps I was just chugging some back. Which is delicious btw I got a drink that more often.

But this god damn leg pain and RLS is going to end me.

The Kratom did help a bit when I had a tonne of withdrawal symptoms but at this point I feel like I'm only taking it to try and help the RLS and it ain't doing shit for that.
 
pixies+ said:
100% agree with you.

Two things in particular stood out.

Clonidine needs to be tapered depending on dose and length of time taking it.

I can see your gamble and it’s very important to take advice from people they went you well even if were total strangers

And nice recommendations for supplements/.vitamins.

How’s the benzos tolerance these days?

I hope you’re well ❤
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I don’t know what the fuck I meant by that gamble shit
😂
 
Sorry just reading some comments again cause I was a little out of it earlier.

I don't really have any clonidine and really trying to avoid doctors. In 10 years fo addiction all they ever did was try to get me on other opiates that dragged shit out longer and enabled me to continue using.

Hell, one addiction doctor I was seeing, my girl called them after finding some Oxy to talk to them hoping it would help me with getting help. That doctor called the local driving authority and got my driver's license taken from me.

So anyway yeah fuck doctors man. I'm almost through this I think. If I can get through the RLS.

I don't have any theanine but I've taken lots of magnesium.

However I do have agmatine so fuck yeah Ima try that

Edit: holy shit forgot how gross agmatine powder tastes lol
 
Temazepam is flat out the best drug for sleep i have taken during wd's. Zopiclone also works well.
 
Last night I went to bed with my feet hurting like crazy. Took all the Xanax I had but couldn't sleep. The pain eventually faded in the middle of the night but then the RLS just kept getting more and more insane. I

It did finally stop around 5 am and I got a short nap in. I don't know why but at the time I got this feeling maybe the RLS is going to be over with. Felt like I just had this insane battle with it all night until it finally gave up and left.

But then the difference today was I was actually able to get back to sleep again. Every other day after a nap I'd have the RLS again immediately but it hasn't come back today. Just some soreness

So I laid around in bed and took another 3 or 4 naps. None of them were very long. I kept having these weird dreams that these people were after me and they weird alien stretchy arms trying to get me with something LOL.

Man at one point I woke up with sleep paralysis while it sounded like someone was walking around and I saw the top of their head at some point but I couldn't move. I don't know if I've ever had that before.

Anyway eventually I got tired of laying in bed just disgustingly sticky with my own sweat and managed to get into the shower. It really was difficult to get going today, felt more exhausted then all week even after sleeping. I think because the half my brain that has been 120% awake all week has finally been able to chill out a bit.
 
Fuck man is this ever gonna end?

Tried to get up. Shower and some toast and a coffee but I'm just too exhausted to live and now I've got the harsh aches coming back which likely means more RLS ain't far behind

I'm so over laying around feeling awful
 
Do you have access to Clonidine? It is one of the best options for WD. Zanaflex is another go to for RLS.

Cyclobenzaprine is another go to.

All three of these will reduce stress, discomfort, and act like strong sedatives on the CNS, spinal cord, and brain.
 
Unfortunately I do not. I'd have to get into see the doctor which feels like an impossibility right now.

The amount of pain/soreness in my legs and feet, or at least the amount of time out of the day that I have that pain badly has definitely been going down.

But at night time it just becomes insane again. My feet felt like they were going to explode lol. I read somewhere compression helps so I ended up wrapping them tight. The pain comes for an hour or two and then the RLS joins in.

I don't really have any opiates around but I did have the left over crushed beads from the 100 mg Kadian morphine I had crushed up last week and around 9:30 PM last night I ate those. I dont think there could have been more than a few mg of morphine in them but an hour and a bit later the pain and RLS stopped which was extremely relieving

So I did end up with at least 4 hours of sleep in one night finally which was amazing.

It's been about 14 hours since I took that bit of morphine and I decided I could skip the Kratom this morning. Just starting to get some slight aches and need to stretch now but trying to hold off on Kratom dose if I can. Still really low energy but my head feels way better after a bit of sleep.
 
Fuck man..I don't know how much longer I'm going to succeed..I'm on day uhm. 10?

After one night with a few hours sleep, last night went back down to less than 30 mins sleep and I feel fucking worse than yesterday. The RLS was less severe and didn't last quite as long but my legs were burning all night still and I just couldn't sleep at all.

I don't have the energy to do anything with life it feels like I've just been wasting away forever now with no end in sight.

The Kratom doesn't seem to do anything at all whatsoever to help with the RLS or sleep

I'm almost considering getting some Suboxone dropped off but then I'd be back to square one again like fuck
 
whereismylife said:
Fuck man..I don't know how much longer I'm going to succeed..I'm on day uhm. 10?

After one night with a few hours sleep, last night went back down to less than 30 mins sleep and I feel fucking worse than yesterday. The RLS was less severe and didn't last quite as long but my legs were burning all night still and I just couldn't sleep at all.

I don't have the energy to do anything with life it feels like I've just been wasting away forever now with no end in sight.

The Kratom doesn't seem to do anything at all whatsoever to help with the RLS or sleep

I'm almost considering getting some Suboxone dropped off but then I'd be back to square one again like fuck
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Even if you do decide to go on maintenance you likely would of largely reduced your dependence, and with a competent doctor you can reduce at a rate that’s comfortable.

I’ve heard initial induction can even sometimes be rapidly tapered down with little discomfort, so you can become opioid free quicker but again this is individual.

The kratom will only maintain you at best but less effectively due to it needing multiple doses a day, and id speculate also the possibility of different batches having different potency.

Similar could be said with the couple of doses of morphine, as it will rapidly come and go, not allowing the receptors to adjust.

If you haven’t tapered down appropriately with these things it has the potential to bounce back the withdrawal.

I’d really recommend try getting agamatine if you’re able to OTC and then clonidine from a doctor to see if you can get any further on your own.

Either stick to Kratom, and try obtain enough of a single batch and slowly drop it as slow as you need (even if only 50-100mg at a time)

Else keep going best you can, with an emphasis on clonidine and things like Agmatine, Theanine, Magnesium Malate, Lemon Balm, Taurine IF you can obtain them.

It’s a stab at a dark, but a ethical and competent doctor should give a clonidine prescription under the understanding of aiding someone come off Opioids!

It’s however not a failure to decide to use buprenorphine however, you have been braver than many to get this far with minimal aids and it’s merely a tool to aid getting of or to long term keep someone stable and aid cravings.

You’ve done amazing.
 
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Thanks.

I didn't sleep at all again last night which is making me feel worse and worse. I got someone who's going to bring some Xanax at some point later on. Then I might try to get to a doctor on saturday
 
I should have some Xanax within an hour or so. Last time I only had 5 grams kind of spread out over 2 days it didn't help a tonne for sleep just anxiety. Going to try just to use it at night

I don't know if it's just lack of sleep or what but my anxiety has been through the roof since last night and I keep getting brutal nausea every other hour
 
Hey man. I totally empathise with what you are going through. RLS is the single worst part aspect of opiate WDs in my experience. The sleep deprivation is literal torture.

I'm sure you don't want to hear this, but I would urge you to go for semi-lengthy walks each day. Keep it slow and steady if you have a suitable physical space to walk around in. Even just walking in circles can help. Your feet will probably feel like they're encased in concrete and you will be constantly out of breath, but sustained gentle exercise is one of the best things for gradually getting you away from RLS and towards more regular sleep patterns.

From what you've described, I'd say you are very close to seeing some slow but precious relief from the RLS any day now. You are so close to the part where it slowly starts to become manageable. Keep going.
 
Thanks for all your input everyone..I finally had another order of SR-17018 come in the mail thank God. I started taking the SR-17, was able to drop everything else and finally sleep okay without Xanax or anything. Took it for a week and then tried a day without and I was fine. Feeling a million times better. So thankful to finally be through with this.
 
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