Opioids This is my first time making it to 6-7 days clean. Do people really survive with 0-30 mins of sleep for that many days in a row?

[whereismylife]

I feel like I'm starting to absolutely lose it.



Restless legs are so incredibly painful and non stop needing to move at night I just can't sleep. Only thing that I figured out that stops all the painful RLS is some combination of Dexedrine, varenicline, and ALCAR... All things that are stimulating. Last night I took some small amounts of that stuff and got relief, then finally as it was wearing off hours later I slept for about 15 mins until my legs started kicking.

I just gave up laying down for today... Took a shower and having a coffee but holy fuck I am drain bramaged right now. I feel like I'm turning into the salad fingers guy.

Should I call to get some Xanax dropped off? Will that help me sleep later?

Doing my best to take vitamins and eat a food every day. Mentally right now, well, at least with these last two firing neurons I've got left that are both fighting over third place, I'm not too bad. Not really having any cravings either. But this lack of sleep from RLS and just general inability to sleep is starting to get to me. I'm all shakey and can barely see straight.

It feels like even though most of my withdrawal symptoms have past, this sleep issues is making things worse and worse.

What do?

Love you all

P.S. hopefully that came out well I can't focus well enough to proof read it

 

[lost weekend]

I can't speak for opiates but wd from benzos are hell on earth.on holiday in Spain I reckon I slept 30 to 40 mins at start of night just because I drank to excess befor bed .Gabapentin can and does help for sleep but don't expect 8 hours ,more like 2 hours if your lucky.

 

[whereismylife]

I had a very limited supply of maybe 750 mg gabapentin and 300 mg Pregabalin. I've been using both in small amounts which is probably why I got the sleep I even did but I definitely didn't get 2 hours. All out of both of those now.

Kind of regretting the coffee and dexedrine cause it ain't working as well as it did every other day, just making me way more shaky

 

[lost weekend]

I had a very limited supply of maybe 750 mg gabapentin and 300 mg Pregabalin. I've been using both in small amounts which is probably why I got the sleep I even did but I definitely didn't get 2 hours. All out of both of those now.

Kind of regretting the coffee and dexedrine cause it ain't working as well as it did every other day, just making me way more shaky

Yeh avoid caffine like the plague. Pregablin should help better with sleep .but I had to take about 400mg of Gabapentin even to get 30mins sleep then was up staring at smoke alarm lights.its amazing how much artificial led lights etc on standby in a hotel room you only notice with insomnia .it's the worst wd insomnia and seems to happen with every drug .I hate to think of anyone in real pain. Clonozopam or valium would be better than xanax as a sleep aid even if it gives you 4 hours ,that's enough but if xanax is all you can get then try that in small doses.stay safe as always

 

[whereismylife]

I think buddy only has Xanax

Fuck man the caffeine and dex actually had me okay for 8 hours last couple days....

Today I can barely sit up for more than 10 mins

Laying here with my brain on fire like I'm coming down off a 3 day extasy binge

I think this guy only has Xanax and opiates. I'm a dumbass I actually tried some morphine yesterday out of desperation from the restless legs but the Kratom just 100% blocked it and it did not help at all

Ah fuck

Should I take the Xanax right away or try to wait until after dex wears off? I probably only took 10 mg of dex xr

 

[lost weekend]

Fuck ,been there done that .the only thing that comes to mind is tapering. So if you have access to what's giving you the most problems take small amounts if you have access to them .opiates seem to settle most wd so maybe try that then get professional help .

 

[lost weekend]

Kratom will help ,it will settle your stomach and stop rls ,but it's important to get the right strain ,red comes to mind but research it .God bless

 

[letsparty]

I feel like I'm starting to absolutely lose it.



Restless legs are so incredibly painful and non stop needing to move at night I just can't sleep. Only thing that I figured out that stops all the painful RLS is some combination of Dexedrine, varenicline, and ALCAR... All things that are stimulating. Last night I took some small amounts of that stuff and got relief, then finally as it was wearing off hours later I slept for about 15 mins until my legs started kicking.

I just gave up laying down for today... Took a shower and having a coffee but holy fuck I am drain bramaged right now. I feel like I'm turning into the salad fingers guy.

Should I call to get some Xanax dropped off? Will that help me sleep later?

Doing my best to take vitamins and eat a food every day. Mentally right now, well, at least with these last two firing neurons I've got left that are both fighting over third place, I'm not too bad. Not really having any cravings either. But this lack of sleep from RLS and just general inability to sleep is starting to get to me. I'm all shakey and can barely see straight.

It feels like even though most of my withdrawal symptoms have past, this sleep issues is making things worse and worse.

What do?

Love you all

P.S. hopefully that came out well I can't focus well enough to proof read it

Hey I just made it to my 14th week after heavy Fetty use and I'll tell you my timeline because honestly it was far worse then I expected.
I smoked a half gram of Fetty just before going in to a 7 day detox like an idiot.. ( they won't give you Subutex / Suboxone untill the third full day .
First couple days I would just lay on the hot shower floor for an hour or two at a time and couldn't eat felt like my skin was crawling. Electric shocks shooting up my spine when I would try to sleep
Third day I tried to leave ... after friends begged me to stay , also wouldn't bring me my car...I stayed begrudgingly .. Also started Subutex for the remainder of detox ..although it seemed pretty week compared to Suboxone that I had previously used to get clean .
End of 7 days I was beat and exhausted from no sleep and not eating ... I would have paid $40 for a single xanex to get some sleep. Lol

For the next 3 weeks I was obsessing about the last golden puddle of Fetty and craving like crazy but most of the physical pains had gone I still could not even sleep an hour ea night and it was getting to me mentality ...felt like I had 10 pounds weights on my ankles when I walked . .. Started eating like crazy
Finally by week 5 , I started getting 2-4 hours sleep but still ,no energy or motivation..
I'm not exaggerating when I say it was week 9 or 10 that I started feeling normal again and having energy... Now at week 14 , I almost have forgotten the strung out Me .. still an occasional thought/ craving but rarely ...

I will say , I set myself up to not fail buy going to detox out if town and not bringing my car then left detox and immediately drove cross country to a relatives house an hour from any big city
( Also fell asleep crossing tx on my way and totLed my car so I was literally stuck out in the country.. anyway. I will guarantee there is light at the end of the tunnel... Stick with it

 

[lost weekend]

Hey I just made it to my 14th week after heavy Fetty use and I'll tell you my timeline because honestly it was far worse then I expected.
I smoked a half gram of Fetty just before going in to a 7 day detox like an idiot.. ( they won't give you Subutex / Suboxone untill the third full day .
First couple days I would just lay on the hot shower floor for an hour or two at a time and couldn't eat felt like my skin was crawling. Electric shocks shooting up my spine when I would try to sleep
Third day I tried to leave ... after friends begged me to stay , also wouldn't bring me my car...I stayed begrudgingly .. Also started Subutex for the remainder of detox ..although it seemed pretty week compared to Suboxone that I had previously used to get clean .
End of 7 days I was beat and exhausted from no sleep and not eating ... I would have paid $40 for a single xanex to get some sleep. Lol

For the next 3 weeks I was obsessing about the last golden puddle of Fetty and craving like crazy but most of the physical pains had gone I still could not even sleep an hour ea night and it was getting to me mentality ...felt like I had 10 pounds weights on my ankles when I walked . .. Started eating like crazy
Finally by week 5 , I started getting 2-4 hours sleep but still ,no energy or motivation..
I'm not exaggerating when I say it was week 9 or 10 that I started feeling normal again and having energy... Now at week 14 , I almost have forgotten the strung out Me .. still an occasional thought/ craving but rarely ...

I will say , I set myself up to not fail buy going to detox out if town and not bringing my car then left detox and immediately drove cross country to a relatives house an hour from any big city
( Also fell asleep crossing tx on my way and totLed my car so I was literally stuck out in the country.. anyway. I will guarantee there is light at the end of the tunnel... Stick with it

Well done .how much would something like that cost or is it included in your health insurance

 

[ovo1024]

I think buddy only has Xanax

Fuck man the caffeine and dex actually had me okay for 8 hours last couple days....

Today I can barely sit up for more than 10 mins

Laying here with my brain on fire like I'm coming down off a 3 day extasy binge

I think this guy only has Xanax and opiates. I'm a dumbass I actually tried some morphine yesterday out of desperation from the restless legs but the Kratom just 100% blocked it and it did not help at all

Ah fuck

Should I take the Xanax right away or try to wait until after dex wears off? I probably only took 10 mg of dex xr

What was your habit like? And yeah the kratom didn't block the morphine, more likely you just didn't take that high of a dose. But yeah bro I can definitely relate to what you're saying about the no sleep part. The last time I went cold turkey off a heavy Fentanyl addiction because I was in jail, I couldn't eat or sleep for 4 days. It was horrible. Then finally they were so concerned about me because how hard I was detoxing that they actually put me on Klonopin, 2mg three times a day. For 5 days. But omg that made such a difference. I got plenty of sleep from there on out. So if you are able to get Xanax I'd say definitely go for it

 

[letsparty]

Well done .how much would something like that cost or is it included in your health insurance

The 7 day detox ? Yea insurance covers it.. I had never actually used a detox facility but I can see now the benefits over trying to do it at home where triggers are all around and drugs are just a phone call away .

 

[pixies+]

I think buddy only has Xanax

Fuck man the caffeine and dex actually had me okay for 8 hours last couple days....

Today I can barely sit up for more than 10 mins

Laying here with my brain on fire like I'm coming down off a 3 day extasy binge

I think this guy only has Xanax and opiates. I'm a dumbass I actually tried some morphine yesterday out of desperation from the restless legs but the Kratom just 100% blocked it and it did not help at all

Ah fuck

Should I take the Xanax right away or try to wait until after dex wears off? I probably only took 10 mg of dex xr

Can you get some clonidine from a doctor by any chance?

Clonidine has been such a huge help for me in so many ways. It’s often given as comfort med for WD.

Of course every drug has some side effects.. but it’s honestly been such a major part of me getting to sleep during withdrawals and it’s just part of my life. I believe I was originally put on it for PTSD nightmares/night terrors.

It’s a BP med. just as soothing as low dose diazepam in many ways.

Could be worth checking out.. could really help.

 

[KurtAurelius]

Can you get some clonidine from a doctor by any chance?

Clonidine has been such a huge help for me in so many ways. It’s often given as comfort med for WD.

Of course every drug has some side effects.. but it’s honestly been such a major part of me getting to sleep during withdrawals and it’s just part of my life. I believe I was originally put on it for PTSD nightmares/night terrors.

It’s a BP med. just as soothing as low dose diazepam in many ways.

Could be worth checking out.. could really help.

I agree with this, it’s far less risky and will help promote very healthy sleep, as we need to be in a very low “arousal” state for sleep, such as a calm pulse and a optimal blood pressure.

The benzos will work, especially better as you got this far without, (I may be dramatic) but it’s risky imo, as it’s easy to end up with a potential new dependency that’s worse. It’s a dice roll to even say this but, if you can procure one 2mg bar say, and knock yourself out for one night, and build a foundation of that you would be gold, using for 2-3 days allows the 4th day to become more easy.

But anyway, Clonidine a mega recommendation. If using for a while needs a taper to, but it’s quite easy to do with a doctor who isn’t a moron.

If you can afford it, I’d recommend using some supplement stuff before a benzo

Taurine- reduces blood pressure, increases gaba, and improves plenty other good things, (1-3 grams)

L Theanine- 400mg will get you 1-2 nights of a decent boost of gaba, serotonin and improved sleep, cortisol reduction,

Magnesium, take Taurate, Malate or Gyclinate around 200mg ELEMENTAL. Malate is the best for restless legs and body aches in my experience.

Bonus- Low Dose Dxm 30mg (If your not on anything else) else Agamatine, will provide some extra help to your receptors to heal and should make you feel better overall.

 

[pixies+]

I agree with this, it’s far less risky and will help promote very healthy sleep, as we need to be in a very low “arousal” state for sleep, such as a calm pulse and a optimal blood pressure.

The benzos will work, especially better as you got this far without, (I may be dramatic) but it’s risky imo, as it’s easy to end up with a potential new dependency that’s worse. It’s a dice roll to even say this but, if you can procure one 2mg bar say, and knock yourself out for one night, and build a foundation of that you would be gold, using for 2-3 days allows the 4th day to become more easy.

But anyway, Clonidine a mega recommendation. If using for a while needs a taper to, but it’s quite easy to do with a doctor who isn’t a moron.

If you can afford it, I’d recommend using some supplement stuff before a benzo

Taurine- reduces blood pressure, increases gaba, and improves plenty other good things, (1-3 grams)

L Theanine- 400mg will get you 1-2 nights of a decent boost of gaba, serotonin and improved sleep, cortisol reduction,

Magnesium, take Taurate, Malate or Gyclinate around 200mg ELEMENTAL. Malate is the best for restless legs and body aches in my experience.

Bonus- Low Dose Dxm 30mg (If your not on anything else) else Agamatine, will provide some extra help to your receptors to heal and should make you feel better overall.

100% agree with you.

Two things in particular stood out.

Clonidine needs to be tapered depending on dose and length of time taking it.

I can see your gamble and it’s very important to take advice from people they went you well even if were total strangers

And nice recommendations for supplements/.vitamins.

How’s the benzos tolerance these days?

I hope you’re well ❤

 

[ovo1024]

Hey I just made it to my 14th week after heavy Fetty use and I'll tell you my timeline because honestly it was far worse then I expected.
I smoked a half gram of Fetty just before going in to a 7 day detox like an idiot.. ( they won't give you Subutex / Suboxone untill the third full day .
First couple days I would just lay on the hot shower floor for an hour or two at a time and couldn't eat felt like my skin was crawling. Electric shocks shooting up my spine when I would try to sleep
Third day I tried to leave ... after friends begged me to stay , also wouldn't bring me my car...I stayed begrudgingly .. Also started Subutex for the remainder of detox ..although it seemed pretty week compared to Suboxone that I had previously used to get clean .
End of 7 days I was beat and exhausted from no sleep and not eating ... I would have paid $40 for a single xanex to get some sleep. Lol

For the next 3 weeks I was obsessing about the last golden puddle of Fetty and craving like crazy but most of the physical pains had gone I still could not even sleep an hour ea night and it was getting to me mentality ...felt like I had 10 pounds weights on my ankles when I walked . .. Started eating like crazy
Finally by week 5 , I started getting 2-4 hours sleep but still ,no energy or motivation..
I'm not exaggerating when I say it was week 9 or 10 that I started feeling normal again and having energy... Now at week 14 , I almost have forgotten the strung out Me .. still an occasional thought/ craving but rarely ...

I will say , I set myself up to not fail buy going to detox out if town and not bringing my car then left detox and immediately drove cross country to a relatives house an hour from any big city
( Also fell asleep crossing tx on my way and totLed my car so I was literally stuck out in the country.. anyway. I will guarantee there is light at the end of the tunnel... Stick with it

I've been through a similar situation, except both times I was in jail and didn't have Suboxone but my timeline was definitely similar to yours. Also, weird I know but... Anyone else happen to have wet dreams almost every single night for 2 weeks? This started for me on about Day 10 of being clean, and lasted for the next 2 weeks

 

[Allylbenzene]

Taurine- reduces blood pressure, increases gaba, and improves plenty other good things, (1-3 grams)

Btw taurine also interacts with the metabolic system/thyroid and cause hypoglycaemia (aka low blood sugat). 1 gram can be way to much for some people! I'd start with 100mg and ease into it.

Can you get some clonidine from a doctor by any chance?

Clonidine has been such a huge help for me in so many ways. It’s often given as comfort med for WD.

An otc alternative to clonidine is the supplement agmatine which imo offers additional benefits, partly because its an endogenous substance. Agmatine is used for reducing withdrawals amongst other things. Agmatine is an alpha-2 adrenergic agonist (like clonidine) and also prevents excitory glutamate (its an NMDA antagonist). It repairs things via neurogenesis (BDNF).

For GABA - theanine for sure, it's perfect at reducing cortisol amongst other things.
+ Valerian which makes the body produce less excitory glutamate and more GABA. Magnolia officinalis extract contains pro-GABA substances with cannabinoid activity (honokiol and magnolol).

Linalool from lavender oil is pro-GABA, pro-adenosine and anti-glutamate. That's the perfect trio for calming & relaxing effects.

Vitamin E (alpha tocopherol) should help reduce sleep deprivation symptoms.

 

[4DQSAR]

I managed twelve days without sleep although I suspect microsleep crept in,

Then I walked outside, greeted a taxi driver I had never met as if we had been childhood friends and then woke up in hospital, having suffered a series of tonic-clonic seizures.

Now I only remember the moment when the sunlithe hit me, then I have a five hour blank and woke up actually feeling mentally very positive, but with what I can only describe as 'pizza mouth'. You know, when you burn your mouth which hot pizza. That was me biting my own tongue.

My then GF told me that after two rounds of Diazemuls (which did nada), the doctor asked permission to use Nevrin, a DLR, That worked and I just woke up feeling Soooo chilled out, Didn't know where I was or what time it was, but at the time I did not care,

So maybe it's a long time. I've read that someone survived for thirty eight days as some sort of publicity stunt, Apparently the dude survived but it wrecked his health in some really unexpected ways. In fact specialists in sleep medicine still use the medical notes of that guy.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

 

[deficiT]

I feel like I'm starting to absolutely lose it.



Restless legs are so incredibly painful and non stop needing to move at night I just can't sleep. Only thing that I figured out that stops all the painful RLS is some combination of Dexedrine, varenicline, and ALCAR... All things that are stimulating. Last night I took some small amounts of that stuff and got relief, then finally as it was wearing off hours later I slept for about 15 mins until my legs started kicking.

I just gave up laying down for today... Took a shower and having a coffee but holy fuck I am drain bramaged right now. I feel like I'm turning into the salad fingers guy.

Should I call to get some Xanax dropped off? Will that help me sleep later?

Doing my best to take vitamins and eat a food every day. Mentally right now, well, at least with these last two firing neurons I've got left that are both fighting over third place, I'm not too bad. Not really having any cravings either. But this lack of sleep from RLS and just general inability to sleep is starting to get to me. I'm all shakey and can barely see straight.

It feels like even though most of my withdrawal symptoms have past, this sleep issues is making things worse and worse.

What do?

Love you all

P.S. hopefully that came out well I can't focus well enough to proof read it

It can be really hard but eventually your brain and body will stabilize. I've been advised to just try and keep a sleep schedule and stick to it, if you can't sleep you can't sleep, but try not to sleep during the day. Eventually your body will tire out and fall asleep as you intend.

Are you withdrawing from opiates or benzos/alcohol? Black seed oil is helpful for opioids, that's my main go-to tbh.

When my fiance was in the hospital for severe alcohol withdrawal, they gave her like Ropinirole for the RLS. For me, baclofen was the only thing that helped the physical side effects of gaba withdrawal.

Magnesium is more of a home remedy for RLS but it's useful for that purpose. L-Theanine as well can be helpful for anxiety and insomnia.

 

[whereismylife]

Last night my RLS came back in full force. Like worse than it has ever been. Was taking a much Kratom as I could stomach (maybe a couple teaspoons, I hate that shit) hwhch didn't seem to help. Tried everything.

By the time I was able to relax I think I had 4 or 5 of those 0.5 mg Xanax.

Anyway I slept for maybe 2-3 hours which feels good.

But now I've woken up to the wife having a total meltdown because the house is a mess and sending me a message to clean up after myself as if I've just had some mild cold this week or something like fuck

Honestly other than being a bit groggy getting up probably due to all the Xanax, and some painful RLS first thing, well both of those are gone now and I'm feeling pretty okay.

I feel like I should br happy this far but man hearing her spam shit and getting angry messages just makes me fuckin depressed

 

[whereismylife]

Yeah that didn't end up turning out very well lol FML. She was pissed and upset because everything is such a mess because I've been either barely incapable of being on my feet at all, or somewhat capable but in total brainrot zombie mode.

And then I learned how quickly I can get extremely angry while in the middle of all my emotions being reborn into the world.

Thank God I got that Xanax I feel way better now lol

Bah

Part of the journey I suppose