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The Vegetarian Debate: is a meat-free lifestyle healthier?

hey that's sad. My town is full to overflowing with vegetarians and vegans. I am a minority in my circles as a meat eater. Folks who know me are too afraid of me to call me on it anymore because I don't back down. =D

Part of the problem for me is the over reliance on processed soy foods that vegs and vegans are into . It's not healthy IMO and I do alot of research on nutrition in my work.

Hang in Stag. Hope your move improves everything, especially your mood. I don't like dealing with you when your in a pissy mood.=D =D
 
Also Stag, there are alot of raw fooders here, they are even more zealous, against anyone who ain't in their camp.8o So being vegatarian isn't enough. You better get with it.=D
 
Raw foodists? Bah, I feel like that's a horrible way to taste life. Being that much of a nazi can't be good for ass-clench.

I simply couldn't do that as much as I try.. just because I'm a stoner.
 
Yep, I hear ya. And they say bah to vegatarians. See how it is? Everyone thinks they got the answer. Which is cool for them but when they start preaching the word to me my hackels rise.8(
 
I would go crazy trying to eat an all raw foods diet. I love hot, home cooked food too much. I suppose the diet is probably good for you though, considering you'd be eating mostly anti-oxidant rich foods. Still though..ack.
 
Loving Options/Ethics/Environmental Impact

Fascinating thread.
There are raw foodists who are compassionate nature enthusiasts. Some who eat meat. I feel that if you want to eat meat you should be ready to face your meal in the eye with loving compassion; catch/hunt it, kill it with your bare hands, skin and gut it (or not this part, if you like to eat those bits,) and then sink your teeth unto that that flesh with relish and prayers of offerings and thanks to Great Nature Spirit.
Supermarkets detach people from the loving creatures' eyes that look upon you with unconditional love. It is like looking in a mirror, because one is connected with that creature in so many ways.If slaughterhouses had glass walls and were situated in the business districts of cities, would people eat so much meat?
I can face, kill, and dissect animals with my bare hands and rip straight into them with bare teeth, with blood pouring down by body,becoming one with that creature more. I highly recommend this if you really feel you need to eat meat. It is a quite natural thing to do. We can hunt and kill and tear away into the guts of a fellow sentient creature with our canines.
I however don't need to, and I prefer not to do this.
Yes we are animals, however we have evolved logic, reasoning and instinct, as well as the benefits of the studies of those that have gone before us. The studies have shown the superiority of an organic raw vegan diet.
When I went through a strict yet completely loving diet of all raw vegan foods I felt a so very, very wonderful and awesome. I was sparkling and felt better than when I was 10 years old! Everything flowed liked luxury and there was so much more clarity and harmony and beauty upon me.I was more a kid than when I was a kid! :)
Once one has passed throgh ones addiction to processed / cooked / animal foods (usually about 21 days (but I would recommend another 7 days for a complete moon cycle)) the "acks" and the hackels dissapear until you are a graceful, placid staunch supporter for foods in as natural a state as possible.
There is a saying:
Animal Lovers; which do you choose to cuddle?, which do you choose to eat?
If you love animals, DON'T EAT THEM!"
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Free/cheap meat meals available at your local animal shelter, morgue, pet shop or local reserve. If you want to eat meat then please face that fact and what you are actually doing.(if you want to)

the facts do stare that as vegetarians, we for us all more care
:)
 
Well I have friends who did the raw diet and they describe the same high as you Oceanboy. You may have something here.

I felt what I think it may be like on the 15th day of a 19 day fast. I felt like I was on XTC at a low dose. Of course those were before the days of XTC.

The raw foodists may be on to something. Of course you would have to go through the 21 to 30 day withdrawal to find out. I just might try it this summer.

My friends on the raw food did all go back to regular diets, all with the same complaint. Too yin and a low sex drive. We have too many pretty girls around this town for that.=D
 
Some foods have to be cooked in order for their vitamins to be released/absorbed properly. The classic example of this is the lycopine in tomatos
 
Free/cheap meat meals available at your local animal shelter, morgue, pet shop or local reserve. If you want to eat meat then please face that fact and what you are actually doing.(if you want to)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Nice "shock value" Oceanboy! I think you can get your point across without that. I know that the animal shelter won't give those sad animals to you because I volunteer at our local one.

I was thinking about the raw food diet and low sex drive. I wonder of you could counteract that little drawback with herbs like panax ginseng? That might just work.
:)
 

Shalom.
:)

Vast topic in some regards.

In reply to:
I know that the animal shelter won't give those sad animals to you because I volunteer at our local one.
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Question;
What is there that says cows or sheep or cows or pigs are less loving than cats or dogs or other pets?

Hypothesis;
What about a loving nature orientated person who goes into a shelter with full love, a love that knows that these shelter creatures are fellow intelligent sentient beings, of the One Great Spirit. These nature people care for all life and existence with great reverence and honour. They know that they are one with this creature. If they had decided for some reason that they like to eat cats or dogs, in a manner that absolutely completely honours the spirit, life and existence of this fellow creature at all times;(past, present & future) and when the time came that they chose to eat the animal they did a "ceromony" that would cause the least pain posssible in the release of the cat or dog's spirit from the material sheath, doing also sincere loving prayers for the elevation of the animals spirit to the highest and most wonderful realm possible,

why are they to be seen less than someone who picks up an animal from the shelter and treats the cat or dog like "just" a thing to have around; treating it with cruelty, and feeding it "junk" food and not really looking after the animal properly.?

We have a lot to learn from the indigenous peoples honour of animals.

Anyway in this day and age;the fact is we don't need to eat meat.

Perfectly aligned sex drive exists with a natural health diet.
Supplements may assist where dietary intake is insufficient.

Blessings; O


further information may be obtained @
www.peta.org
http://inhs.ms11.net
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Oceanboy:) You might have misunderstood my post. I get your point though. And you are right. I know some young girls and boys in 4H in farm country raise these animals as a project and then have to sell them off at auction. It breaks their hearts often and they have a hard time getting over it.

My dog is a chow mix and was raised for food in China. I have no objection to eating them in the format you suggest. Your point as I take it is that we have lost connection to the fact that these beings are awake aware and we don't know how much. We like to pretend they are just walking food put on earth for the sole purpose of feeding us. I also believe this is not true. You and I agree on this point completely. Considering the world situation eating a vegatarian diet makes sense also.

I have done alot of thinking about this sinse this thread began. I still have mixed feelings about it because even if I quit eating meat, which I am considering I would still feed raw meat to my dog.

Anyway this thread has been a good one for me and I have got alot to think about. Peace.
 
^^ Don't worry, most of the problems regarding meat aren't affected by you at all.. more like the people who don't think about where their meat comes from and the lawmakers above them. Also, if your meat-eating is healthy to you, then by all means don't change course if you don't want to.
 
U.R.B.4.U.R. said:
Oceanboy:) You might have misunderstood my post. I get your point though. And you are right. I know some young girls and boys in 4H in farm country raise these animals as a project and then have to sell them off at auction. It breaks their hearts often and they have a hard time getting over it.
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Then WHY THE HELL are they doing it? :X
The 4H kids always angered me..I never understood how they could care for these loving creatures then sell them off like they were objects. :(

And Jimmy the gun, good point about the lycopene, Ive heard the same thing. Something about cooking breaking down the cellular barriers and releasing more of the nutrient? (Im bad with explaining anything scientific lol)
 
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einsiten
 
MynameisnotDeja said:
Then WHY THE HELL are they doing it? :X
The 4H kids always angered me..I never understood how they could care for these loving creatures then sell them off like they were objects. :(
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It should be obvious why they do it. They are caught in the cultural values of where they live. They are just children doing what they are told. Not old enough to see that they are being forced into the matrix. Not really their fault at their young age. Now their parents . . .8( 8o
 
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