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The Vegetarian Debate: is a meat-free lifestyle healthier?

^^ It's sort of a fact that vegetarians can't stomach dead flesh after a period of not ingesting it. Whether they want to eat it or not, most find themselves wanting to vomit. This doesn't happen when abstaining from vegetables or anything else, for that matter.
 
Ha, this is a emotional aversion, based in immaturity IMO. I was a vegatarian for two years and felt nothing of the sort and went back to meat eating easily.

What does a "sort of fact" mean? You're "sort" of slippin Stag.=D
 
StagnantReaction said:
^^ most find themselves wanting to vomit. This doesn't happen when abstaining from vegetables or anything else, for that matter.
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When I was a kid I used to drink vodka in my bedroom until I saw double and then dry heave for hours.

Now I can't even look at the stuff without wanting to puke.

Make mine gin and tonic or tequila
 
im a vegetarian for religious/karma reasons, not so much the health reasons.
 
U.R.B.4.U.R. said:
When I was a kid I used to drink vodka in my bedroom until I saw double and then dry heave for hours.

Now I can't even look at the stuff without wanting to puke.

Make mine gin and tonic or tequila
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This could be attributed to a traumatic emotional conditioning.. AKA post traumatic stress disorder. What vegetarians seem to encounter is different. They might have grown up with meat as a kid, and come to a point where they wish to cease. And if they do, the cravings for, say, chicken may continue from time to time when presented with an appetizing-looking meal of chicken. But from numerous people's subjective tellings, I hear that it's hard for their bodies to keep it down without some sort of problems.

This is different than, say, eating some bad pizza with sausage on it and puking once, and then thus forward being conditioned to feel nausious whenever eating sausage pizza. I understand this basic psychology, and I thought there should be some distinction made.
 
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Still think it's emotional in both cases.

In my work I see lots of vegatarians. I see some of them switch back to meat eating if the veg diet doesn't work for them. When they are convinced the switch is right for them, I don't see the symptoms you describe. I do hear this often from political, hysterical, radical, vegatarians.
 
StagnantReaction said:
^^ Or lack of emotion..
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And you are the final word on who is lacking emotion here.

I kind of resent that.

Any time you want to know about my emotional states or feelings, just ask. Ask me anything. You might find out we aren't that different.:)
 
U.R.B.4.U.R. said:
It's in your head my friend. Not your heart. There is not a spiritual difference between a chicken and a cow.

By the way you have just contradicted your previous statement that you could never kill anything.

It's not easy to believe what you say when this happens. You need a reality check with your ability to tell yourself the truth about how you really are.:)
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I could never kill anything. Im talking about a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which I was starving. Most people who were STARVING would do almost anything to survive.

And of course its in my head. These are my morals, how I feel about things. I dont know if there is a "spiritual difference" between a cow and a chicken, I dont think anyone knows that. But to me a cow is a mammal, like I am a mammal..and it just seems different to me. Sorry, thats just how I feel. Im not saying chickens deserve to die any more than cows. I dont believe they do, and I do feel bad eating them (and am very thankful and take notice that they died so I could eat). I appreciate the meat that I do eat.

I always tell the truth about who I am. Where the hell have I not told the truth? Surely you can see the difference between wanting to kill something, or killing it just to eat it or "for the experiance" or whatever, and KILLING SOMETHING OUT OF STARVATION. I bet you would do that to stay alive. DOnt underestimate survival insticts.
 
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U.R.B.4.U.R. said:
Ha, this is a emotional aversion, based in immaturity IMO. I was a vegatarian for two years and felt nothing of the sort and went back to meat eating easily.

What does a "sort of fact" mean? You're "sort" of slippin Stag.=D
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Its emotional, but what the FUCK does it have to do with immaturity? ..obviously if you stopped eating meat for MORAL and spiritual reasons, then went back to eating it you are gonna have some guilt about it. PLease explain what this has to do with being immature.
 
MynameisnotDeja said:
Its emotional, but what the FUCK does it have to do with immaturity? ..obviously if you stopped eating meat for MORAL and spiritual reasons, then went back to eating it you are gonna have some guilt about it. PLease explain what this has to do with being immature.
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Also I would say guilt is an immature emotional state in this case. It is based on judging yourself.
 
U.R.B.4.U.R. said:
Also I would say guilt is an immature emotional state in this case. It is based on judging yourself.
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Guilt because you know you are going against what you truly believe is not immature. It shows principle. I guess you could say it might be kind of immature to go against what you truly believe to be right in the first place, but everyone makes mistakes...

Thats my thought on it anyway.
 
MynameisnotDeja said:
Guilt because you know you are going against what you truly believe is not immature. It shows principle. I guess you could say it might be kind of immature to go against what you truly believe to be right in the first place, but everyone makes mistakes...

Thats my thought on it anyway.
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Maybe.

There is a lot of guilt going around that is mostly based on perceived sinfulness rather than what is really true and right for the individual. What I have noticed in threads of this nature is that a lot of the time someone is telling someone else what is right or wrong for everybody else and trying to guilt trip their point across.

And that's my thought on it anyway.:)
 
U.R.B.4.U.R. said:
And you are the final word on who is lacking emotion here.

I kind of resent that.

Any time you want to know about my emotional states or feelings, just ask. Ask me anything. You might find out we aren't that different.:)
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Hey hey, I didn't say anything about that.. I was simply noting that maybe a lack of emotion might account for the stomaching abilities. Out of sight, out of mind, right?

Oh, and I still debate the vegetarian meat stomaching issue..

And please don't take my tactics as some sort of omnipotence.. that would be the least of my intentions. I suppose it just frustrates me too much that others seem to take an arrogant stance their stubborn meat-eating and debating behaviors, while we all (including animals) may not be all that different..
 
U.R.B.4.U.R. said:
There is a lot of guilt going around that is mostly based on perceived sinfulness rather than what is really true and right for the individual. What I have noticed in threads of this nature is that a lot of the time someone is telling someone else what is right or wrong for everybody else and trying to guilt trip their point across.
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Extremely true. If you're going for an approach similar to this, try to position your guilt towards what the individual might care about themselves. That might be the only way for them to give a shit. And there are many health, environmental, social, and compassion issues involved in today's choice of meat or no meat.
 
Right you are Stag, Like I have said I don't eat torture farmed meat, but am a meat eater. That's why I have to give up eating meat or dairy dishes when I go out to eat. I can tell you that doesn't leave me many choices.

If I couldn't find the meat I do eat. I would give it up in a heartbeat. I have been a vegatarian and could do it easily again.

I like to debate, but really what is fun is to find common ground, laugh, love, and share.:)

Stag, you Rock!=D
 
^^ Thanks for that. I'm pretty damn lonely being basically the only veggie, or at least the only consciencious person around my area. Everyone takes what's been spoonfed them, and it's usually by corporations.

Well, you rock for not only being honest about your personal diet, but also knowing that the generic meat on the market is produced in the worst ways possible, and avoiding that on top of it..

You're basically the ideal of what I'd want of any animal eater. So cheers to that. And normally I'd be more enthusiastic but right now the world got me bummed. It's cool though, I'm moving soon.
 
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