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The UK in the EU: "Brexit"

Well, i may be wrong. But you're pretty consistent in the hatefullness of your posts, and in your irritabillity towards people who truly show signs of actual compassion and tolerance.
And yeah, i suspected that i would hit a nerve when i spoke about having a heart.

You are compassionate because you say so on the internet. Good for you.

They call this "moral narcissism." Meaning you have worked so hard to put forth an image to yourself and others as virtuous by way of having mainstream opinions, that you lash out when someone says "your ideas are unrealistic and totally bogus."
 
I would argue that in absolute numbers,the "uneducated" working stiffs(including many assimilated working immigrants) pay far more in taxes that subsidize many of these educated,self-interested charlatans. Why can't you see the game these "Remains",and in my case the elites in the states, are playing on all of us ?

Ya barista doesn't pay a whole lot.
 
edit: also, LOL at SS: constantly hating on immigrants, but would emigrate if the referendum had ended with a remain. damn

Laugh at your own stupidity and you may be justified in doing so, because I never hated or said I hate immigrants. I have always maintained it is immigration that is the issue not the immigrants themselves for taking advantage of an opportunity.
 
Well, i may be wrong. But you're pretty consistent in the hatefullness of your posts, and in your irritabillity towards people who truly show signs of actual compassion and tolerance.
And yeah, i suspected that i would hit a nerve when i spoke about having a heart.

Irritable, I will give you that certainly. You may interpret my posts at hatefulness if you wish but they are words and not my actions. If you or anyone else here who thinks I'm some sort of nazi actually met me you would be pretty surprised at just how wrong you are about my character I assure you. I don't interpret anyone here as being compassionate or tolerant either because likewise these are all mere words here, not actions. No one knows what each other is like unless they've spoken directly or actually met.

alasdairm: Getting my education, building my life up. We haven't reached the point yet where I would leave out of fear for my own safety like pre-Nazi Germany. As much as things could be better in the UK it is still a good place to live. Now that I'm more established in what I'm doing with my life now I have the actual potential to move without having to start totally from scratch. Practicalities.
 
Laugh at your own stupidity and you may be justified in doing so, because I never hated or said I hate immigrants. I have always maintained it is immigration that is the issue not the immigrants themselves for taking advantage of an opportunity.
so you are comfortable in being part of the problem if it serves your own good?

or is it only a problem if people with darker skin want to improve their lives?
 
You are compassionate because you say so on the internet. Good for you.

They call this "moral narcissism." Meaning you have worked so hard to put forth an image to yourself and others as virtuous by way of having mainstream opinions, that you lash out when someone says "your ideas are unrealistic and totally bogus."
If you could point out to me, with accurate data and logically valid arguments, wich of my ideas are unrealistic or bogus, i don't think i actually would lash out.
About the narcissism thing..if you believe that people who're not a narcissist are morally better than people who are narcissist, and you would also believe that you're not a moral narcissist yourself...wouldn't that make you a moral narcissist for believing that you're not a narcissist?
 
Why can't you see the game these "Remains",and in my case the elites in the states, are playing on all of us ?
There is no such thing as a homogenous group called "the elites". The guardian has a totally different perspective on almost anything, than the economist. Both where on the remain side.
 
There is no such thing as a homogenous group called "the elites". The guardian has a totally different perspective on almost anything, than the economist. Both where on the remain side.

As was corbyn...not exactly known for being a big friend of wealthy, money grabbing citybankers.
 
Didn't Sweden just go from being the safest country in the world to the rape Capitol of Europe in the past 20 years? I guess Swedish men just really go into rape culture? Maybe seyer can help explain why Sweden is the rape Capitol of Europe.

This is be because what is seen as rape changed. It's not because of the poor migrants you racist.
 
The EU is ofcourse a flawed project, to put it mildly. But the thing is...Europe is probably the best place on earth to live. Not just because it's wealthy, or because it's so incredibly beautiful. It's because for the past 50 years or so, european civilisation has actually been about some important values. Human rights, freedom and equality..that kind of stuff. That's why all these migrants want to come this way. That's why europeans are the happiest people on earth. That's why europeans are the healthiest people on earth as well, life expectancy is over 80 in many european counrty's. But if you want to be an open economy, and most europeans want this, than these values will be under constant pressure: In america, they call us socialists because here, taxes are higher to fund all the public Healthcare, education, elderly care and welfare systems, because we have labour-rights, environmental laws and stricter rules concerning consumer safety. If you don't want to form one powerfull economic block together, to protect these values, then the only alternative, if you want us to remain as wealthy as we are, to become more like america. We then should embrace capitalism as americans do, and deragulate markets, cut taxes and all of the social programs. This is what Boris Johnson wants, to name one prominent brexiteer. But i think that most europeans do not realy want that.
 
The EU is ofcourse a flawed project, to put it mildly. But the thing is...Europe is probably the best place on earth to live. Not just because it's wealthy, or because it's so incredibly beautiful. It's because for the past 50 years or so, european civilisation has actually been about some important values. Human rights, freedom and equality..that kind of stuff. That's why all these migrants want to come this way. That's why europeans are the happiest people on earth. That's why europeans are the healthiest people on earth as well, life expectancy is over 80 in many european counrty's. But if you want to be an open economy, and most europeans want this, than these values will be under constant pressure: In america, they call us socialists because here, taxes are higher to fund all the public Healthcare, education, elderly care and welfare systems, because we have labour-rights, environmental laws and stricter rules concerning consumer safety. If you don't want to form one powerfull economic block together, to protect these values, then the only alternative, if you want us to remain as wealthy as we are, to become more like america. We then should embrace capitalism as americans do, and deragulate markets, cut taxes and all of the social programs. This is what Boris Johnson wants, to name one prominent brexiteer. But i think that most europeans do not realy want that.
So basically, if you don't want that, you should either accept a decrease in wealth (people tend not to want that), or form an Alliance where these rules and regulations are harmonised, tariffs are put on products from areas where you don't have actual labour-rights, and so on. Otherwise you're no match for any international competitor that doesn't have to live with the costs of all these taxes, rules and regulations.
 
Didn't Sweden just go from being the safest country in the world to the rape Capitol of Europe in the past 20 years?

Nope. In a recent 10 year timeframe, even though the amount of immigrants increased, the Swedish crime survey does not find an increase in sexual victimization.

What Sweden did do was to broaden the definition of rape and sexual assaults and become quite more diligent in reporting and recording sex crimes. That increased the criminal reports and prosecution, but, as I mentioned, surveys don't show the same increase in rape.

This is further reinforced by checking another violent crime statistic - murder. Homicides in Sweden have not increased.

So now that this has been explained to you, will you question the conclusions you've come to?
 
Found this interesting comment on another site:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

- Source
 
Very interesting article. Can't blame Cameron for saying "here you go" to those that wanted to leave.

Interesting times ahead.
 
That's a very interesting comment, and a very good point. I will wait to see what happens in the coming months..
 
Yeah, i was wondering if - like here - governments are not obliged to honour referendum results.

This may have been the pigfucker's masterstroke (if you'll pardon the pun).
 
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