The UK in the EU: "Brexit"

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

Yeah, I agree that there are problems in the EU, but this really seems like a foolish move. I feel like if the vote was redone today, the result would be different. 2016 so far is really exposing the shortcomings of our democracies.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

the gloating is not very classy but it is to be expected

is it possible for you to post a post without insulting somebody? pretty please?

I didn't insult anyone. Some people lost, and inevitably they will whine about it.. which they did. As soon as I got on the train into London.. business men whining. Got into work.. whole office whining.. saying how "stupid" leave people are, how it was only about immigration. (Not) Sorry, but I reserve the right to gloat today, because even in defeat people still just don't get it. Even my father, very left wing who I assumed would vote remain decided to vote leave. Why? Sovereignty. That is the main issue, not immigration.

But no. We're "stupid". Well, screw off. Enough people have spoken. Today is a great day for this country. Short term we may have pain, but so what, our economy would cause us trouble anyway.. the global economy isn't great either.. but some things are way more important than a career or fucking banking balance, GDP, the Pound. That stuff will always fluctuate. Sovereignty is related to power and law, which has taken a long time for us to establish and we should always fight to protect it. It's only when it's gone you realize how difficult it is to get it back. We're lucky we've done it without any violence or war! That in itself shows the importance of democracy. And yet the remainers were happy to give that up? Who is the stupid one I ask you..

Again, a great day for this country. Couldn't stop smiling today. The establishment took a punch to the gut, long overdue, and I hope its the beginning of the end for the EU unless they enact serious reform (which they won't).

 

[alasdairm]

I didn't insult anyone.

of course you did but just forget it and enjoy your moment.

...because even in defeat people still just don't get it.

maybe they get it fine but just disagree with you? but no. people with whom you disagree can't possibly just have a difference of opinion. they are actually inferior. it's funny/sad that you get bent out of shape by people telling you you're stupid because of your opinion on this when that's eactly what you're doing too

enjoy your day.

alasdair

 

[MMT]

even in defeat people still just don't get it. some things are way more important than a career or fucking banking balance, GDP, the Pound. Couldn't stop smiling today. The establishment took a punch to the gut, long overdue

mmmm, Brexit !!!

 

[TAVOR]

What a glorious day!

Despite the scaremongering propaganda by the technocrats of the EU that portrayed the exit of Britain as the "end of Western Civilization", British people have demonstrated themselves as independent thinkers and have grasped how the European Union is more of a burden than a positive and useful organization. Rivers of tears were shed by bankers and bureaucrats today.

Overall congrats to the British population as they exercised in large numbers one of the most important aspects of democracy: referendums.
Wish we had the balls to do it too...

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

We've had 3 referendums in 100 years. What does that tell you?

Independent thinkers? Half the country doesn't have a fucking O level (GCSE). Please don't support the thick by patronising them just because you think you got the result that pleases your politics. The result was 52:48. Do you know what a large number is?

 

[TioW42]

The only people on suicide watch is the EU so dont mind me just offending the maxists

 

[alpha_centauri]

This is excellent news, and democracy in action! More countries will leave the EU.

TioW, yes the Marxists are very silly, and extremely angry and butthurt that the UK voted to leave the EU. Oh well, too bad for them.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

Independent thinkers? Half the country doesn't have a fucking O level (GCSE).

Educational ability is not a guarantee of actual intelligence. The correlation between educational level and tendency to vote remain, as well as younger people (who generally are also higher educated) who generally voted more to the side of remain, shows that people are easily led. That's all. An education doesn't mean shit, it doesn't mean you can actually think or SEE basic facts or tenets of an argument.

Had this discussion already with someone I know who is a history professor at a UK university. All that educational ability and still does not grasp the primacy of sovereignty. "Oh, but it's more complicated than that". No, YOU are making it complicated. The truth, as it often is, is very simple and can be grasped by educated and layman alike!

 

[spacejunk]

Yeah, I agree that there are problems in the EU, but this really seems like a foolish move. I feel like if the vote was redone today, the result would be different. 2016 so far is really exposing the shortcomings of our democracies.

indeed. and i agree - it does seem like a foolish move.

The only people on suicide watch is the EU so dont mind me just offending the maxists

Maxists?
Who is this Max? Did he design that butchers' apron in your .gif?

The truth, as it often is, is very simple and can be grasped by educated and layman alike!

You don't help your case by talking about "the truth". there is no one truth.
there are many truths.
you should ask your history professor friend about this. then go ask your local Priest the same question.
they'll both tell you the truth, presumably. they might not be the same answer though. simple enough?

 

[Bagseed]

Educational ability is not a guarantee of actual intelligence. The correlation between educational level and tendency to vote remain, as well as younger people (who generally are also higher educated) who generally voted more to the side of remain, shows that people are easily led. That's all. An education doesn't mean shit, it doesn't mean you can actually think or SEE basic facts or tenets of an argument.

Had this discussion already with someone I know who is a history professor at a UK university. All that educational ability and still does not grasp the primacy of sovereignty. "Oh, but it's more complicated than that". No, YOU are making it complicated. The truth, as it often is, is very simple and can be grasped by educated and layman alike!

so the correlation that higher educated people tended to vote remain tells you that they just have been manipulated, but all those who voted brexit made an informed decision?

furthermore, how exactly will this give you personally more "sovereignity" over anything?

 

[Deleted member 210577]

It was implied in my post that all people are easy led. Philosophically speaking I don't believe we have much free will at all, it's mostly just programming.. and most of it the result of outside influences. Educated people have a tendency, or smugness if you like, to see their intellectual ability as placing them in a superior position to the layman who has no education. As I just stated, we are all easily led. Much of education today is the complete package, not just what happens in the classroom. I've been there, I've seen and experienced it. It's a mass hypnosis, a mass consensus, and it's backed by emotion and hysteria more than actual reason or thought.

Spacejunk: Rubbish. The truth is the EU was responsible for dictating laws over which we could do nothing about, crafted by men in suits earning way too much money and way out of reach of the electorate to hold them to account. That is the truth. Sorry you don't like it, or refuse to see it, but it is the truth. The EU is a cancer on Europe and the sooner it is destroyed the better.

 

[zzz101]

the UK hasn't even started to leave the EU yet. We have voted on it, doesn't mean that its 100% we are going to leave. How do we know we wont do another referendum to overwrite this voting? wouldn't be the first time. I guess it is too late for another vote now, though.

The media are really making things worse, they are giving the vibe "We've made a big mistake, etc" Which isn't necessarily true.

Germany the super power makes nearly all the rules in the EU anyway, if this was WW1 erra, each side would have moved their army to each other borders. EU is so salty, i mean, even if the UK did stay in the EU, we'd make our owns future rules in time regarding many things like immigration and KEEPING the pound.

Staying in the EU is like staying Germany's bitch


I would not trust Germany rn from the decisions they've made on immigration alone.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Bahahaha. Oh what a good day, the Sun is shining after two days of bloody rain, it's Friday, and I get to listen to all the whiny losers moan about how "stupid" we are for daring to take back power from the EU monster.

The "daring" would be nullifying the treaties that gives you free access to a 12 trillion euro market. I put "daring" in quotes since the Leave camp seems to believe that the tooth fairy will fix this little problem.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Nigel Farage has disowned a pledge to spend £350 million of European Union cash on the NHS after Brexit.

The Ukip leader was asked on ITV’s Good Morning Britain programme whether he would guarantee that the money pledged for the health service during the campaign would now be spent on it.

Speaking on the morning of the referendum result he however said he had never made any such pledge.

- Source

 

[zzz101]

It was implied in my post that all people are easy led. Philosophically speaking I don't believe we have much free will at all, it's mostly just programming.. and most of it the result of outside influences. Educated people have a tendency, or smugness if you like, to see their intellectual ability as placing them in a superior position to the layman who has no education. As I just stated, we are all easily led. Much of education today is the complete package, not just what happens in the classroom. I've been there, I've seen and experienced it. It's a mass hypnosis, a mass consensus, and it's backed by emotion and hysteria more than actual reason or thought.

Spacejunk: Rubbish. The truth is the EU was responsible for dictating laws over which we could do nothing about, crafted by men in suits earning way too much money and way out of reach of the electorate to hold them to account. That is the truth. Sorry you don't like it, or refuse to see it, but it is the truth. The EU is a cancer on Europe and the sooner it is destroyed the better.

all those young, "smart and educated voters" who wanted to stay in EU didn't even make it to the polls to vote!

Real smart

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

So far, the claims that the Euro would suffer more than the Pound have been not shown by exchange rates. Looks like investors need are less likely to abandon the Euro than the GBP.

Also, Nikkei futures had to halt trading briefly as panic set in. Nikkei itself looks like a tsunami hit - literally, the market looks like it did after the 2011 tsunami. S&P is down 5% as well.

Good job Euroskeptics. You've caused the world to panic that you've triggered the next recession.

 

[quiet roar]

I feel like if the vote was redone today, the result would be different.

Reckon you may be right. I sided with the exit team but now I'm thinking maybe it's not great idea after all.

I'm still not convinced there will be that much upheaval over the decision; bit more administrative work to implement the change and life goes on.

However, if Scotland and Northern Ireland do leave the UK as a consequence of the UK leaving the EU, I will laugh for days.

 

[zzz101]

EU: be more muslim

UK: nar we've had enuff. u having a laughf?

EU: be more muslim, the more diversity a country has, the better. This is exactly what ur British citizens need -- to be the hated minority !

UK: k bye

 

[Bagseed]

who is forcing you to be "more muslim"?

also, apparantly, the UK already has a big muslim population (a lot of them from India and Pakistan I guess), so how could a few ten thousand refugees make a huge difference anyway?

Islam is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).

the brexit will be a huge disadvantage for businesses, especially smaller ones who try to compete internationally. do you know how complicated international trade is without a free trade zone? my personal life will probably not really change from this, because I have no ties to the UK, but I also fear that if the EU starts to crumble because more nationalist movements force their countries to leave, that we might have another big war in Europe in the next few decades.

also, apparantly London and other big cities voted decisively for remain. these cities have a very diverse demographic (as you know obviously), so people get exposed to other cultures all the time. so, if immigration only has negative outcomes, shouldn't these big cities be in favor for the brexit?

it's the same here in Austria: in communities which actually have embraced the refugee influx and provided hospitality for them, the public opinion is strongly for helping those people and provide for them. it's mostly the places where people are never exposed to other cultures that people are afraid of things.

In Vienna, in the recent presidetial election, well over 60 percent voted for the nominee who was the former head of the green party as opposed to the rightwing one who is a member of a nationalistic organization.