The UK in the EU: "Brexit"

[TioW42]

indeed. and i agree - it does seem like a foolish move.


Maxists?
Who is this Max? Did he design that butchers' apron in your .gif?


You don't help your case by talking about "the truth". there is no one truth.
there are many truths.
you should ask your history professor friend about this. then go ask your local Priest the same question.
they'll both tell you the truth, presumably. they might not be the same answer though. simple enough?

Anyone who was on suicide watch after seeing they lost

 

[Deleted member 210577]

All these bullshit scare stories from economic experts. Ha. Yeah, where were they prior to the 2008 crash when the only people predicting that were virtually unknown renegade economists and conspiracy theorists? Does it never occur to people that these so called experts may have an agenda, a bias, a financial incentive to say one thing whilst secretly believing another? Do you really think business is going to abandon London given that we've just left and other countries may soon abandon the EU too, that the EU itself will probably collapse in 5-10 years? Yeah right! We're the first out the door and will be the first to start going in another direction.

They didn't want us to leave because they, like all greedy fat fucks, get complacent and secure in having to not really expend any energy or mental effort. Now we've left they will have to actually take 1 or 2 less golfing engagements a week and re-engage with parts of their own business they had long since forgotten about. Oh, how I weep for them!

All these fucking nancies today calling for a 2nd referendum and asking for London to be declared independent. Unbelievable. If the vote had been 0.1% over the winning margin for remain they would have had anti-fascist demonstrations and all sorts if the leave camp dared to suggest we should have another referendum! The childish nature and hypocrisy of these left-wing cunts is astounding. It's all peace, love, tolerance, and all that jazz until they don't get their own way!

 

[TAVOR]

it's the same here in Austria: in communities which actually have embraced the refugee influx and provided hospitality for them, the public opinion is strongly for helping those people and provide for them. it's mostly the places where people are never exposed to other cultures that people are afraid of things.

Bro, are you serious??? Come on, not even Left wing politicians would dare to say something like this haha

In Vienna, in the recent presidetial election, well over 60 percent voted for the nominee who was the former head of the green party as opposed to the rightwing one who is a member of a nationalistic organization.

Thats because 1/3 of Vienna is composed of foreigners who have already obtained their citizenship, the same goes for other big European cities.

I don't think the immigrants would vote for right wing or nationalist parties, quite obvious who they will support...

 

[spacejunk]

We're all immigrants, champ.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

We're all immigrants, champ.

Erm, no. I was born here. I didn't immigrate into this country. Stop posting that trite irrelevance as if it means something. It doesn't.

 

[Dracarys]

SS:"the childish nature and hypocrisy of these left-wing is astounding. It's all peace, love, tolerance and all that jazz, untill they don't get their own way".

The hypocrisy and childishness of this comment is even more astounding. It's zero peace, love and tolerance with you...yet you expect people to be tolerant towards your intolerant and hatefull views.
I think deep down, you envy people who actually have a heart. Because you know that you will never be able to feel love and compassion. And somewhere you know quite well that, no matter how hard you scream that this is not a shortcoming but a virtue instead, it IS a shortcoming on your behalf.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

The hypocrisy and childishness of this comment is even more astounding. It's zero peace, love and tolerance with you...yet you expect people to be tolerant towards your intolerant and hatefull views.
I think deep down, you envy people who actually have a heart. Because you know that you will never be able to feel love and compassion. And somewhere you know quite well that, no matter how hard you scream that this is not a shortcoming but a virtue instead, it IS a shortcoming on your behalf.

Nope. Had remain won the referendum I would have accepted the result and moved to enact my own plan.. emigration. Simple. Instead what we see are people bitching and moaning, apparently 1 million of them now, calling for a 2nd referendum because they got outvoted. Bunch of nancies.

I have tolerance, but when it comes to stupid petulant bullshit my threshold is very low. This is definitely one of those occasions.

As for the rest of your post I've dealt with that a million times here. You don't know me personally or anything about who I am beyond these words, so your label that I'm not compassionate is meaningless. The poetic notion about having a heart was touching. I wept.

 

[spacejunk]

Erm, no. I was born here. I didn't immigrate into this country. Stop posting that trite irrelevance as if it means something. It doesn't.

You're a humourless individual aren't you?

I was born here too, but national identities are like rectums; everyone's got one, and they're all pretty much full of shit.
Petulant bullshit, if you will.

 

[Bagseed]

Bro, are you serious??? Come on, not even Left wing politicians would dare to say something like this haha



Thats because 1/3 of Vienna is composed of foreigners who have already obtained their citizenship, the same goes for other big European cities.

I don't think the immigrants would vote for right wing or nationalist parties, quite obvious who they will support...

ehm yes I dare to say that, because it is fact (at least here in Austria).

and yes again, certain immigrant groups actually vote for right wing parties (eg people from Serbia, Croatia which are predominately white christian). turkish people mostly vote social democratic as far as I am aware. green party is mostly for academics, hippies and "social justice warriors".

also, don't "bro" me. you are a racist nationalist prick. you are not my bro

edit: also, LOL at SS: constantly hating on immigrants, but would emigrate if the referendum had ended with a remain. damn

 

[assclass]

Dear England,

Would you like to join North America?

 

[MMT]

An education doesn't mean shit, it doesn't mean you can actually think or SEE basic facts or tenets of an argument.
The truth, as it often is, is very simple and can be grasped by educated and layman alike!

Late 20th and 21st Century "Uni Education" is nothing more than indoctrination and regurgitation of "facts" taught by the previous generation of far-left losers in the game of life. The old saw that states "those who can,do and those who can't,'teach' " has never been as relevant as it is in today's "educational" system. Tenure,self-interest and towing the elitist line is the ONLY thing driving these "educators" who foolishly believe they have a spot reserved in the elite's bunkers. In reality,the only spot reserved for them will be in hell for deliberately leading the youth on to the path of a false sense of superiority and self-destruction.

 

[MMT]

also, don't "bro" me. you are a racist nationalist prick. you are not my bro

Obvious ad hom. attack

 

[alasdairm]

Nope. Had remain won the referendum I would have accepted the result and moved to enact my own plan.. emigration.

the u.k. has been a member of the eu for over 40 years. why didn't you emigrate in that time?

alasdair

 

[Dracarys]

Late 20th and 21st Century "Uni Education" is nothing more than indoctrination and regurgitation of "facts" taught by the previous generation of far-left losers in the game of life. The old saw that states "those who can,do and those who can't,'teach' " has never been as relevant as it is in today's "educational" system. Tenure,self-interest and towing the elitist line is the ONLY thing driving these "educators" who foolishly believe they have a spot reserved in the elite's bunkers. In reality,the only spot reserved for them will be in hell for deliberately leading the youth on to the path of a false sense of superiority and self-destruction.

"losers" who tend to have higher incomes, higher life-expectancy's, and who, as taxpayers tend to pay (without complaining) for the welfare checks of people with views like yours. I know it's fashionable these days, to believe that any randomly picked person on the street knows and understands as much about things like economics, medicine, evolution, foreign politics or history or even physics or maths, as widely recognised experts on these fields. But if that would be teh case, then why does joe the intellectual make more money than joe the plumber?

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

All these bullshit scare stories from economic experts. Ha. Yeah, where were they prior to the 2008 crash when the only people predicting that were virtually unknown renegade economists and conspiracy theorists?

Okay, let's play this game.

The article 6 economists who predicted the 2008 crash gives us six economists.

What do they say about the Brexit?

Famed economist Nouriel Roubini of New York University thinks Britons are “much better better off” staying in the European Union.

He cautioned that Britain could plunge into recession if voters opt to leave the EU, damaging the U.K.’s economy and job market.

- Source

A political and economic case for voting to Remain in the EU - Ann Pettifor, who apparently wrote a lot about the Brexit and was against it.

But Steve Keen agrees with you:

Steve Keen, Head of the School of Economics, Politics & History at Kingston University, London, thinks that Britain would be better off outside of the union.

“My perspective is to some degree more political than economic,” notes Keen. “Courtesy largely of the Euro, the EU is a failed institution that is achieving the opposite of its aims to unify and strengthen Europe.” As Keen sees it, the EU’s most influential treaties, such as Maastricht and Lisbon, have been used to subvert democratic governments and to impose the will of “Ordoliberal bureaucrats” upon electorates that are attempting to end Neoliberalism. [“Ordoliberal” refers to a German strain of liberalism that emphasizes maximizing the potential of the free market to solve economic problems.]. Keen observes that “a ‘remain’ vote will strengthen the power of this anti-democratic elite and do nothing to tame the forces of racist nationalism that have arisen in reaction to their failed economic policies.” Keen will be voting for the U.K. to leave the EU.

So far 1 out of 3.

Shall we continue?

Dean Baker is cautious, and predicting job losses.

Within Britain, there could be a substantial impact. It is quite possible that the real estate bubble in London will burst (though the blame for that lies more on the people who allowed the housing bubble in the first place, rather than the Brexiters), leading to slow growth in the country if not an actual recession, and the UK will no longer be viewed as a safe haven for the world's rich. Furthermore, the financial sector in the UK will suffer job losses as firms seek to relocate to the countries that will remain in the European Union.

Raghurram Rajan is mostly talking about the Indian economy, but he does say "From the global perspective, it would have been far better if the UK had decided to remain. So, yes, this is the worst alternative from the globe's perspective." He doesn't have a strong statement, and I'm getting the impression that he's not really paying attention to the Brexit, but instead deferring to other economists. He seems interesting. We'll put him down as a no comment, just to be fair.

Now I thought Peter Schiff was going to be in the "leave" camp, based on the articles I found - he thought the brexit was "just what the doctor ordered" - but he was talking about the effects in the US. I can't find where he predicts the future for the UK. I suspect he's politically anti-EU, but he doesn't seem to make an economic prediction. Notably, his investment firm has an article written before the Brexit that states the fears are overblown, says the pound will recover, but the euro may be in trouble. OTOH, there's the standard disclaimer that views may not reflect that of the firm or it's CEO Peter Schiff. So another no comment?

I get three saying bad things will happen, one saying leave (mostly political reasons, but presumably he doesn't see financial apocalypse) and two no comment.

Hmmmm.

 

[Dracarys]

As for the rest of your post I've dealt with that a million times here. You don't know me personally or anything about who I am beyond these words, so your label that I'm not compassionate is meaningless. The poetic notion about having a heart was touching. I wept.

Well, i may be wrong. But you're pretty consistent in the hatefullness of your posts, and in your irritabillity towards people who truly show signs of actual compassion and tolerance.
And yeah, i suspected that i would hit a nerve when i spoke about having a heart.

 

[MMT]

Yeah, where were they prior to the 2008 crash when the only people predicting that were virtually unknown renegade economists and conspiracy theorists? Does it never occur to people that these so called experts may have an agenda, a bias, a financial incentive to say one thing whilst secretly believing another?

Let's see, what were the Elite in-crowd involved in prior to and into the 2008 housing crash here in the states,besides looking out for the middle-class[sarc] and laundering billions for the drug cartels ? Well,the oh so virtuous Goldman Sachs were selling toxic mortgage backed securities as AAA investments to their trusting "clients" while at the same time shorting same in house.No conspiracy theory here,as they admitted as much,though not without putting forth a twisted logic that would have Satan himself blushing at the chutzpah only a too-big-to-jail criminal elite could invent.

 

[Vagina Lover]

 

[MMT]

Hmmmm.

Hmmmm indeed.Unless we also know who's signing their paychecks NOW,their current Brexit predictions should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. Biting the hand that feeds is never a good career move.

 

[MMT]

"losers" who tend to have higher incomes, higher life-expectancy's, and who, as taxpayers tend to pay (without complaining) for the welfare checks of people with views like yours. I know it's fashionable these days, to believe that any randomly picked person on the street knows and understands as much about things like economics, medicine, evolution, foreign politics or history or even physics or maths, as widely recognised experts on these fields. But if that would be teh case, then why does joe the intellectual make more money than joe the plumber?

I would argue that in absolute numbers,the "uneducated" working stiffs(including many assimilated working immigrants) pay far more in taxes that subsidize many of these educated,self-interested charlatans. Why can't you see the game these "Remains",and in my case the elites in the states, are playing on all of us ?