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Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

smokeymcpot42088 said:
So does it sound like 2-3 mg a day bromaz sound about accurate deficit?

and lolis my thesis : Personally I need benzos, I have been prescribed them since 17 and about everyone on one side of my family requires them. Used medically they have been nothing but a benefit. I do not agree with squeaky on this one. (which is rare his/her opinion carries real weight).

You should never be in the situation of needing to worry about not sleeping, w/d, etc as long as they are coming from a doctor. Of course doctors screw people over all the time and I will tell you right now if you do get benzos in the US I would put 10-25% of each bottle away in case you get cold cut so you can taper yourself. (now in a normal situation your doc will taper you but how varies drastically and is largely subjective). Where I live they cut ppl off after years and give them a 2 week supply to taper with....so it can be rough but there is no reason it should.
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I'd say maybe 2-4, haven't had any crazy days with it lately. But I may need it to take the edge off of this work shift. I've only had it earlier today in the wee hours, so I'm spacing it out well enough too.
 
I stopped drinking when I started getting benzos when I was 30 yrs. old. Havent had a drink in 25 years.
I wonder if a 6 pack a day would help my benzo long term withdrawal.
I been on meds 25 yrs; nothing changes, but I get long term withdrawal, restless legs, etc. from taking less benzos.
But now I hear that the CDC has come up with new guidelines limiting the MME amounts that pain patients can be prescribed.
If they insist on taking me off meds; I will get my tethered cord clipped, my neck fused yet again; and hopefully those things will help reduce my pain and ultimitely my needs for methadone and clonazepam.
Good idea on having a stockpile for snafus and delays and for getting cut off. I usually do just that; however sometimes you need that emergency supply, chip away at it, and then need to miser another surplus out of a script that I seem to :need: most all of it everyday. AT least, in my subjective opinion, 20 years of clonazepam was probably better than 20 years on the bottle daily, which was what I used to self medicate my pain; four or more beers and my pain would disappear enough to have a few hours of peace before bed every night.
 
lolis my thesis said:
I stopped drinking when I started getting benzos when I was 30 yrs. old. Havent had a drink in 25 years.
I wonder if a 6 pack a day would help my benzo long term withdrawal.
I been on meds 25 yrs; nothing changes, but I get long term withdrawal, restless legs, etc. from taking less benzos.
But now I hear that the CDC has come up with new guidelines limiting the MME amounts that pain patients can be prescribed.
If they insist on taking me off meds; I will get my tethered cord clipped, my neck fused yet again; and hopefully those things will help reduce my pain and ultimitely my needs for methadone and clonazepam.
Good idea on having a stockpile for snafus and delays and for getting cut off. I usually do just that; however sometimes you need that emergency supply, chip away at it, and then need to miser another surplus out of a script that I seem to :need: most all of it everyday. AT least, in my subjective opinion, 20 years of clonazepam was probably better than 20 years on the bottle daily, which was what I used to self medicate my pain; four or more beers and my pain would disappear enough to have a few hours of peace before bed every night.
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Russians are known for Vodka. Germans are known for beer. Americans are known for diabetes and cancer.

I don’t believe that alcohol is what is killing us. It’s probably McDonalds and Starbucks, but if you have a few beers every night….. When you die, they’ll call you an alcoholic and blame everything on the booze.
 
Took another 1mg bromaz. No way I was gonna sleep early tonight I don't think. So that's one for today so far.
 
So 2-4 mg a day is about what we are landing on deficit? 2-4mg plus 1 after midnight, if I still speak the lingo. Ok so 5 mg and it might/nay probably is a little more than that. That is AS OK as your hook and your cash supply. I would suggest grabbing up a semi bulk amount for your taper. 10% every 2 weeks, you can do the math but its gunna be a couple handfulls I would assume.

sorry if this hasn't been asked but how long have you had this habit and do you have a legit script to a benzo? Personally I went from 5 mg to 4 with no problem (20% drop) 4 to 3 (25%) drop. I took 2 weeks at 3.5, just out of general info I went down 10% or 1 mg at a time until I got down to 4.

I think for the first time ever I am going to disagree with squeaky twice in a row -- IME/HO and according to most studies: ALCOHOL IS THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUG ON EARTH. Most google sources will back this, at one point I had a worthy source NICHS or somethin?

FTR I am an American who drinks socially. Meaning no more than once every 2 weeks on average. Once I was borderline addicted, FELT LIKE SHIT ALWAYS. I have been addicted to HEAVY OPIs and MEDICAL RECORD LEVEL benzo addiction. Flirting with alcohol addiction did my body and life outside of body much much worse.
 
smokeymcpot42088 said:
So 2-4 mg a day is about what we are landing on deficit? 2-4mg plus 1 after midnight, if I still speak the lingo. Ok so 5 mg and it might/nay probably is a little more than that. That is AS OK as your hook and your cash supply. I would suggest grabbing up a semi bulk amount for your taper. 10% every 2 weeks, you can do the math but its gunna be a couple handfulls I would assume.

sorry if this hasn't been asked but how long have you had this habit and do you have a legit script to a benzo? Personally I went from 5 mg to 4 with no problem (20% drop) 4 to 3 (25%) drop. I took 2 weeks at 3.5, just out of general info I went down 10% or 1 mg at a time until I got down to 4.

I think for the first time ever I am going to disagree with squeaky twice in a row -- IME/HO and according to most studies: ALCOHOL IS THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUG ON EARTH. Most google sources will back this, at one point I had a worthy source NICHS or somethin?

FTR I am an American who drinks socially. Meaning no more than once every 2 weeks on average. Once I was borderline addicted, FELT LIKE SHIT ALWAYS. I have been addicted to HEAVY OPIs and MEDICAL RECORD LEVEL benzo addiction. Flirting with alcohol addiction did my body and life outside of body much much worse.
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I don't have a regular prescription. I've had the habit at least like 3-4 months, this time. But I have gone through fairly heavy benzo wd a couple times now. So I'm confident I can handle this one. Yeah, realistically I'm hovering around 2-4.
 
ok 2-4 mg bromaz. Someone who has used bromaz could comment but I figure that is about 6-8 mg xanax a day. 2-4 is NOT THAT BAD, however it is all contextual to how many you have left and if you can continue to acquire. I would level off at 4mg-ish bromaz a day for a week or two and than go to 3.5......I would probably settle there and go to 3; as .35 would be 10% and whats .15. Didn't effect me. I was aiming for more around 15% per cut.

Ok so no prescription, that means 0 has got to be the ultimate goal. Im truly sorry if you need them medically.

Ill tell you the dirty secret noone likes to mention......the lower your habit THE HARDER it is to cut at all! and 10 % every 2 weeks, once you get down around 3 it got real tough for me.
 
Took 1mg bromaz a couple hours ago towards the end of my shift, and just took 1mg more. So that's 3 total today

Mind you I didn't sleep last night and have also been on mushrooms and uppers in the afternoon and evening today (of which I will exercise some self control and not redose with) and I generally am just a mess at this point. Constantly feel like I'm just one step behind everyone else. But it's like I don't give a fuck anymore, let people think what they think about me. Comfortably numb you could say. As long as I get up each day and do the best I can for myself, that's all that matters. But I feel like that conclusion is nihilistic and self defeating. I have to have a purpose.

I started writing again. Will hopefully one day complete either a novel or a book of poetry to publish.
 
I think you are pushing yourself too hard moving from 5-3. I would try and even out on 4.

I have had to cut psychedelic use as well as upper use. (as this damn script literally doesn't give one extra) and no flight without landing gear (use to be the saying around here lol). Same with alcohol, not saying you have to cut them or judging in the slightest. Just doesn't lend well to sleep.

become friends with benadryl, not brand name. EVERYBODY FEELS ONE STEP BEHIND I THINK, if you are 30s or before life looks like a big competition. All the facebook friends have dreams that are full of wholes and problems too. Trust.

I quit giving a damn what people thought of me when I realized that snitches were receiving no punishment from the streets. (not that id ever do that). But if they let the snitches (lowest of the low IMO are passed over)....well I've done nothing like that so there shitalk game must suck. They have been delegated to I Imagine.

And my house/Your house. That is your SANCTUARY. I would not bring anyone I trust with everyone's lives inside FOR ANYTHING.

Good for you with the writing, Novel or Book of Poetry; had an idea for a novel and saved it, the file got deleted. I always meant to get a hip hop album done. (and now you know something new about me)
 
deficiT said:
Took 1mg bromaz a couple hours ago towards the end of my shift, and just took 1mg more. So that's 3 total today

Mind you I didn't sleep last night and have also been on mushrooms and uppers in the afternoon and evening today (of which I will exercise some self control and not redose with) and I generally am just a mess at this point. Constantly feel like I'm just one step behind everyone else. But it's like I don't give a fuck anymore, let people think what they think about me. Comfortably numb you could say. As long as I get up each day and do the best I can for myself, that's all that matters. But I feel like that conclusion is nihilistic and self defeating. I have to have a purpose.

I started writing again. Will hopefully one day complete either a novel or a book of poetry to publish.
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It might help to stabilise on a steady dose first before starting a planned reduction of 10% a week or something like that. Keep a notebook of daily doses so you can see if you cheat, helps me not cheat to know I'll have to look at it in the notebook.

What I've done recently is divide up my doses in advance so I don't cheat (hopefully) then stick to exactly that dose in a day, except today, but that's just how I am, I've been good for maybe two weeks sticking to one dose. Needs to be said I'm on opiates, not benzos and from what I've read benzos are a worse mindfuck, like gabs and opiates combined maybe? I've never been dependant on benzos thankfully.
I've tapered off gabapentin and clonidine completely. I sort of got stuck on clonidine after my last kick in Feb, it really helped but when I tried to stop it my blood pressure went crazy, I'm no spring chicken either, in my fifties now, so gotta try not to give myself some deadly reaction that'll finish me off.

I knew to watch for BP from another user, my doctor who gave me clonidine with the buprenorphine and gabapentin, didn't mention anything like that, just said to try it, see if it helps, if not then don't take them. Taking her advice and abruptly stopping clonidine could have killed me! As it was my BP went over 200/100 just tapering the damn stuff.
It's interesting the conversations I have with my doctor, because she thinks I'm battling menopause sweats & chills & anxiety & pains, but it just happens that oestrogen withdrawal (aka menopause) is similar to and responds to the same medications as opiate withdrawal, so as a woman in my early fifties there's no need to tell them the truth ;). If I get genuine problems when my periods decide to stop I'll probably need to change doctors to get help with it now!

So long as I have my prozac and my poppies I'll be great. I was a drinker in my youth. Heavy drinker from the time I left home permanently at 16. Occasionally had some dope too, but mostly I drank and so did my fella and we were fine, because we were young. I couldn't do that now. I used to get immense cravings for another drink after the first one hit my bloodstream, in fact I'm going to buy some wine for tonight, we got visitors. I'll be able to drink moderately now, since maybe age 40-45 that intense craving for alcohol reduced dramatically. I don't know what happened, I had baclofen at the time, but the cravings didn't return and I've not had baclofen in a while now.

I seemed to go from being a person with real difficulty in stopping drinking to someone who just enjoys one or at the most two, then I just feel tired and want a toke of weed instead, lol. I honestly thought that tendency for drink was for life, but it wasn't.

Squeaky, I have real respect for you man, you are always kind and helpful, but I don't agree that alcohol is less harmful. It's more socially acceptable and cheaper for you, but I'm actually glad I'm addicted to poppy pod tea and not alcohol. For me it's cheaper this way and more socially acceptable for me to drink herbal tea than alcohol, I make sure not to run out suddenly. Do I think it harms me? Maybe, not sure, it helps my mind and body function better, so I accept the trade off. A litre of gin a day, I know you are twice my size but I used to drink a litre of vodka sometimes before going out for the night with an old roommate, she'd have a litre of her own and we'd not leave our room until we'd finished them, it's a lot, no way could I have done that two nights in a row. Every night doesn't give your body a chance to detox.

For me it's only travel that messes things up, the fact I've close family in several different European countries is a problem for me. Not getting caught at home is easy, but travelling is terrifying because I'll either have it with me producing terrifying thoughts in the airport or I don't have any which is just terrifying on it's own.

Today I'd an expresso pot of max strength poppy tea, from last year's crop because this year's is a wash out, so much rain. I'm exaggerating I don't really grow what I use, if they stopped being available my little poppy patch wouldn't last me a week, but I didn't even score any of them this year, don't need it, pods are great.

So that's a surprise for me a bit like the alcohol, I didn't bother getting opium from my poppies this year, six months ago I couldn't wait for summer so I could get some nice raw opium. Here we are poppy season is finishing and I didn't BOTHER! I'm claiming a small victory there.
 
Ain"t got more options to get painmeds.Every bad for good....so must quit.Starting to tapper slowly bupr.For now one mg down.so far so good.Have not felt some differency.At the same time tapper and valium-for now a couple of days 5 mg down.(dose-20mg daily)Have not felt any bad feelings too.Preparing mentally for withdrawl when my stash finnished completely.Got options only for prescribing benzo,but wannna finished with this too.Wish a sucess to all who goin" that hard way.:heart3:👍🙏💪
 
ya////a week down with 1mg bupr. and 5mg valium-nothing.These days would down another mg.This things(drugs or meds( are aftermath...not a reason).Long time since i have no pleasure taking them.It is all about to ease "episodes" of horror and madness.....and stupor...all first physicall and then mentally.....but meds or drugs had no effect on it at all.Brain scanning must do after I quitt.It is not normal.....these things.Unhuman.....Cause I beleieve in God,but also believe in science-there is not contradictions......two separate ways goin to same direction...that is my view...may be is heretic idk...same to me
 
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The day begin good,but then .......hardship.communication with local livestock...i mean people....but they onlu look like people.brainless,stupid biomass-that is one big part of my countryman....so i took 3 diazepams instead of one and quarter....idk
....not good at all......feeel very,very angry
 
Nas47 said:
The day begin good,but then .......hardship.communication with local livestock...i mean people....but they onlu look like people.brainless,stupid biomass-that is one big part of my countryman....so i took 3 diazepams instead of one and quarter....idk
....not good at all......feeel very,very angry
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Hi !! <3 You really should and might have to try to cut back more. Please, pretty please it will really help.
Sometimes it's really the med's that are making you angry . . and not the people. Just pray about the people instead. lool.
And really good luck. Your medication can help you just as much as it can hurt you too. But you know that, right. !!! :)

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