Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

[Squeaky]

Yes, it's not bad now, all this on and off is painful but still breaks the daily habit.
I'll be ok now, famous last words.

How are you doing? This thread sort of disintegrated when I got off the pills.

I hope you’re doing well. PainfullOne too. I wish you both could see what I’m seeing now, from the other side of my life on opiates. My life is so much better. Still have pain.Still wish there was a pill to make me whole again. But my cravings for oxy are 99% gone. I’m even getting a script filled for 30 Percocet’s and I have no desire to use them. It’s pretty awesome.

 

[Squeaky]

Thank you.
I am suffering hardcore.

It isn’t as easy as going to a new doctor- I can’t find a doctor who will even give me an appointment.
I am stuck with this nurse practitioner from my old doctors office who now runs a suboxone clinic.
She should know that I have had liver failure and traumatic brain injury, as well as REM sleep disorder which is a “precursor “ to Parkinson’s disease, and no that doesn’t go away or get better. It gets worse.
I have had all that diagnosed and have seen many specialists who all told me the only option was pain management.
I was in pain management for 16 years !
I was prescribed morphine for 16 years and then my doctor retired.

I can’t even explain to you what has happened to the medical people here.

I did go and tell the nurse practitioner all the problems I am having.
She can see that I have lost an incredible amount of weight.
I broke down crying and she walked out and won’t see me now. WTF???
She had some other nurse practitioner come in the last time and refused to even come talk to me.
Then didn’t call my meds in and made me suffer for days without anything!
I swear they are just trying to drive us pain management patients to suicide.

I had some quality of life with the pain management.
Now, I am so sick all the time.
I feel like my brain and Heart are going to explode.
My body is in PAIN!
I would be fine with not taking pain medication if I could eat, sleep, move, think, without them!

How are you doing PainfulOne? It’s been a while. I hope things are better. The suffering you’re enduring is inhumane.

 

[papercuts]

How are you doing? This thread sort of disintegrated when I got off the pills.

I hope you’re doing well. PainfullOne too. I wish you both could see what I’m seeing now, from the other side of my life on opiates. My life is so much better. Still have pain.Still wish there was a pill to make me whole again. But my cravings for oxy are 99% gone. I’m even getting a script filled for 30 Percocet’s and I have no desire to use them. It’s pretty awesome.

Hi Squeaky, thanks for asking, I'm doing well for me, I'm off it most days, up to a week at a time, so I'm in and out of mild withdrawals pretty much all the time but I've been able to stay not dependant and each use has had at least two days clear after. Although my idea of clear involves codeine, buprenorphine and nefopam but I need something for the pain...
Sounds like you've come on another big step if you aren't binging your entire script the weekend you get it! Are you using it more as prescribed or not using it at all?

 

[kiely]

Still weaning from paws. Yeah. I am.

Thanks for listening.

 

[Squeaky]

Hi Squeaky, thanks for asking, I'm doing well for me, I'm off it most days, up to a week at a time, so I'm in and out of mild withdrawals pretty much all the time but I've been able to stay not dependant and each use has had at least two days clear after. Although my idea of clear involves codeine, buprenorphine and nefopam but I need something for the pain...
Sounds like you've come on another big step if you aren't binging your entire script the weekend you get it! Are you using it more as prescribed or not using it at all?

Not at all. It’s in a drawer in case of an emergency, but I basically forgot about it the minute it got placed there.
I’ve been taking Lyrica now too. It’s actually helping with the nerve pain. It was prescribed years ago but didn’t do anything but put me to sleep. Back then if I took 300mg, I’d literally fall asleep in the middle of a sentence while sitting on the couch and talking to my wife. I’m sure it didn’t work back then because of the oxy.

But it’s also helping with my scrambled brains from Asperger’s. Not a whole lot but I’ll take what I can get. It slows down my thought processes just enough. I’m even getting better fuel economy because I’m driving less aggressively.

 

[Squeaky]

Still weaning from paws. Yeah. I am.

Thanks for listening.

I really do not miss those days. The whole day felt like I was inches from death and the Dr is barely keeping me alive with a defibrillator

 

[kiely]

I really do not miss those days. The whole day felt like I was inches from death and the Dr is barely keeping me alive with a defibrillator

That was so perfectly nice. You sound so strong. Thank you for that, always. I am really surprised that I am still here. Everyday hurts but I seem to make it to another day somehow. I didn't think I would make it three years so I don't know how I will make it another. So I guess I am strong too. And I think the medicine just prolonged it.

Thank you ! You are very wise in intelligence through it all that is for sure. And really, thank you for awesome words too.

I'm still alive and the world can feel really nice at times and I . . . am still here. So I try but I kind of thought I was dying and I got medicine to prolong my severe autoimmune suffering and all. Yup lol it hurts BAD too. Thanks.

 

[papercuts]

Not at all. It’s in a drawer in case of an emergency, but I basically forgot about it the minute it got placed there.
I’ve been taking Lyrica now too. It’s actually helping with the nerve pain. It was prescribed years ago but didn’t do anything but put me to sleep. Back then if I took 300mg, I’d literally fall asleep in the middle of a sentence while sitting on the couch and talking to my wife. I’m sure it didn’t work back then because of the oxy.

But it’s also helping with my scrambled brains from Asperger’s. Not a whole lot but I’ll take what I can get. It slows down my thought processes just enough. I’m even getting better fuel economy because I’m driving less aggressively.

I'm really delighted for you Squeaky, I'm sure you told us before but I didn't realise you'd quit completely, well done!
I'm glad you have Lyrica for the pain too, that is a solution that ought to last you forever, or close to it!
I guess you know this already, but I've heard that pregablin withdrawals are far worse than gabapentin withdrawals for wanting to kill yourself and you mentioned before how bad gabapentin got you that way, so don't run out. Not a problem when you have enough obvs.
Really chuffed for you mate

 

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

That was so perfectly nice. You sound so strong. Thank you for that, always. I am really surprised that I am still here. Everyday hurts but I seem to make it to another day somehow. I didn't think I would make it three years so I don't know how I will make it another. So I guess I am strong too. And I think the medicine just prolonged it.

Thank you ! You are very wise in intelligence through it all that is for sure. And really, thank you for awesome words too.

I'm still alive and the world can feel really nice at times and I . . . am still here. So I try but I kind of thought I was dying and I got medicine to prolong my severe autoimmune suffering and all. Yup lol it hurts BAD too. Thanks.

You are strong for sure amiga. I have autoimmune problems, fibromyalgia & many injury ect. & in pain a lot too. We are warriors. Thank you for sharing your strength too it helps people like me not feel so alone
Many blessings

 

[kiely]

^^ @AngelsandFairiesarereal

It's different now though. And some days are so much worse than others. And it's not a matter of if . . . but when. Flares.

Thank you for your kind words. They help always. Resting a lot seems to help really well these days. And at least I got to that point where I can do that now. It's seems like it's not even really painful when I can sleep now too.

. . . But I took some Norco a couple months ago and it really did make a difference. I don't really miss it though. I just want to fight through it. I usually do but then I get exhausted. Last night I went and sat on the porch with the dogs and stuff but I just kind of passed out through it all. Now the heat is knocking me for a loop. lol.

So that was fun and I try to do anything to feel better. The healthiest way possible. Thanx !!

 

[Dead Machination]

I’ve been taking Lyrica now too. It’s actually helping with the nerve pain. It was prescribed years ago but didn’t do anything but put me to sleep. Back then if I took 300mg, I’d literally fall asleep in the middle of a sentence while sitting on the couch and talking to my wife. I’m sure it didn’t work back then because of the oxy.

But it’s also helping with my scrambled brains from Asperger’s. Not a whole lot but I’ll take what I can get. It slows down my thought processes just enough. I’m even getting better fuel economy because I’m driving less aggressively.

As someone who took, and still takes, gabapentinoids, please be careful. They can be addictive in a very sneaky way. I was taking 1-2g of phenibut a day for a few years, and the WD's were, in some ways, worse than opiates. I didn't get any quality sleep for months, it was utterly miserable. It was fairly similar to a benzo withdrawal. I only take it less than 1x a week now.

My father-in-law had a similar experience with Lyrica specifically, he was taking two a day for the past few years for severe nerve pain, but for some reason his doctor took him off of it abruptly. He got severe depression, anxiety, couldn't sleep, and was angry all the time. It was bad enough that after a few weeks his wife took him into another doctor because he was so miserable, they tried for a few months to figure out what was wrong, and nothing worked. Finally, he was put back on Lyrica and all of the symptoms went completely away.

Judging your posts, you've come a very long way and I would hate to see you fall into another addiction inadvertently.

I wish you only the best in your journey, and I love seeing success stories!

 

[kiely]

I need too much sugar to wake up my head. I feel kind of bad about it but it works instantly. And it helps to eat. Something.

Physically I am doing well but I don't want to get worse. Right now I feel like I am just resting for now. 'the weather has been nice and cool and it helps to get out too.

Caffeine is even boring and sugar is what it is about !!! I don't think it is the sugar that I am really liking however, I think it is the 'waking up.' that helps.

I am hoping for another good day.

Oh and I bet I need to start taking vitamins somehow too. I think that will help somehow in some way shape or form. I have to remember to get some, find some and to do take some. I need to get vitamins down somehow. If I can. Vitamins and minerals would be the best !!

 

[kiely]

Ice cream (vanilla) with crushed whole almonds and brown sugar. It was just BB ice cream (sorry BB). And it was really good.
It was a really nice Sundae. lol I have some cinnamon crunch cold cereal for the next round. And coffee.

I had some cherries the other day. Sour but perfect. I like the Queen Anne cherries. There are a lot of those up in the North. Good stuff !!

 

[AutoTripper]

I need too much sugar to wake up my head. I feel kind of bad about it but it works instantly. And it helps to eat. Something.

Physically I am doing well but I don't want to get worse. Right now I feel like I am just resting for now. 'the weather has been nice and cool and it helps to get out too.

Caffeine is even boring and sugar is what it is about !!! I don't think it is the sugar that I am really liking however, I think it is the 'waking up.' that helps.

I am hoping for another good day.

Oh and I bet I need to start taking vitamins somehow too. I think that will help somehow in some way shape or form. I have to remember to get some, find some and to do take some. I need to get vitamins down somehow. If I can. Vitamins and minerals would be the best !!

Hi. 1st. Bugger me cos I didn't even KNOW kiely was hylite until I grew thinking....damn I like this kiely girl. She's just like hylite hang on...duh! Lol.


Regardless I've seen a different outwardness from you since I swear.


I had grown it in my head, you've gone a touch cold on me even, I do this with people you see.


Any which way. Since back then I've had no idea how you are feeling, healing keeping etc.




Last thing I wish is to berate you. Only encourage & help from knowledge and confidence in it.


Because lady....that white sugar, is a demon.


Officially in all time yet most health destroying food through records.


It's addictive prob more than most drugs. Vicious circle to try escape.


In steps! Gradual with focus. Lol, tapering white sugar thread!!

I don't just assume, but reason it's refined white.

But even if you can switch to Rapadura sugar.

Or failing, raw cane sugar



Next prob Indian Jaggery


Or at least as unrefined and unprocessed i.e. altered as can find on shop shelf.



Would be a v positive step there.



I need to taper on benzos not sugar myself.


51 mg's Bromazolam in 2 days, like 600 mg's Diazepam really. It's v v naughty activity anyway.

 

[kiely]

Hi. 1st. Bugger me cos I didn't even KNOW kiely was hylite until I grew thinking....damn I like this kiely girl. She's just like hylite hang on...duh! Lol.


Regardless I've seen a different outwardness from you since I swear.


I had grown it in my head, you've gone a touch cold on me even, I do this with people you see.


Any which way. Since back then I've had no idea how you are feeling, healing keeping etc.




Last thing I wish is to berate you. Only encourage & help from knowledge and confidence in it.


Because lady....that white sugar, is a demon.


Officially in all time yet most health destroying food through records.


It's addictive prob more than most drugs. Vicious circle to try escape.


In steps! Gradual with focus. Lol, tapering white sugar thread!!

I don't just assume, but reason it's refined white.

But even if you can switch to Rapadura sugar.

Or failing, raw cane sugar



Next prob Indian Jaggery


Or at least as unrefined and unprocessed i.e. altered as can find on shop shelf.



Would be a v positive step there.



I need to taper on benzos not sugar myself.


51 mg's Bromazolam in 2 days, like 600 mg's Diazepam really. It's v v naughty activity anyway.

I love your good writings too. Quite brilliant and light.

 

[kiely]

@AutoTripper Thankx for your post. I really needed that kind of energy. hehee

 

[AutoTripper]

@AutoTripper Thankx for your post. I really needed that kind of energy. hehee

Thanks. And you are forever unconditionally welcome too.

I was like a diamond cut to raise spirit, diffuse angst except as a mega high vibratory naturally this dimension is literally equipped to make my own life such a living hell it's just a life scrap.


Reason I took so much of the spirit molecule too. Foreseeing, I get my balloon so far up so it could stay above ground long enough.


I went through the most dreaded hells too. Uncanny resilience. I so almost ended my own life but outstanding practical observations & a deep spiritual commitment prevented it.


Now ironically I need to recover, from recovering lol! There is such a phenomena.

 

[kiely]

Thanks. And you are forever unconditionally welcome too.

I was like a diamond cut to raise spirit, diffuse angst except as a mega high vibratory naturally this dimension is literally equipped to make my own life such a living hell it's just a life scrap.


Reason I took so much of the spirit molecule too. Foreseeing, I get my balloon so far up so it could stay above ground long enough.


I went through the most dreaded hells too. Uncanny resilience. I so almost ended my own life but outstanding practical observations & a deep spiritual commitment prevented it.


Now ironically I need to recover, from recovering lol! There is such a phenomena.

 

[Squeaky]

As someone who took, and still takes, gabapentinoids, please be careful. They can be addictive in a very sneaky way. I was taking 1-2g of phenibut a day for a few years, and the WD's were, in some ways, worse than opiates. I didn't get any quality sleep for months, it was utterly miserable. It was fairly similar to a benzo withdrawal. I only take it less than 1x a week now.

My father-in-law had a similar experience with Lyrica specifically, he was taking two a day for the past few years for severe nerve pain, but for some reason his doctor took him off of it abruptly. He got severe depression, anxiety, couldn't sleep, and was angry all the time. It was bad enough that after a few weeks his wife took him into another doctor because he was so miserable, they tried for a few months to figure out what was wrong, and nothing worked. Finally, he was put back on Lyrica and all of the symptoms went completely away.

Judging your posts, you've come a very long way and I would hate to see you fall into another addiction inadvertently.

I wish you only the best in your journey, and I love seeing success stories!

Yeah, I’ve been through Lyrica wd’s before. It’s really bad. And, as you said, in many ways it’s worse that opiate wds. Opiate wd is more of a physical thing. Lyrica wd is more of a ‘brain is gonna explode’ thing.

I’m being careful to plan for a long taper if I suddenly lose my script.

 

[Ron123]

Its a constant struggle day in and day out to get that number down.
Dr Has me on 6 Mg. But I know I can manage with 2mg.
The rest is just mind games. On lower dosages Im too depressed to get out of bed.
On right dosage I jump out of bed. But I know it impacts my memory and my intelligence / IQ.