Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

Pain and dosing, yes ! And either way it hurts a lot too. I think I read it in this thread one time when here at times, that . . . . the pain medicine is the actual thing causing my pain. This must have truth to this also because as soon as it wears off it hurts so bad. Therefore making my pain worse from taking and then not taking. The e.r. said they could only give me three days worth and then doled out only 5/325's. Then I pulled my shoulder even more along with everything else. I lifted my dog on the new furniture one too many times. She has to find her own spot to watch the house now. I have brittle and low density bones. What . . . ever causes this and is sad. And now the pain is bad again. Again. I cannot take Gabapentin because it throws me into the shakes and then I need regular pain medicine to stop me from vomiting too. So I am really bad now. I guess I will either get better or worse. I still have been able to go to work but I am not sure about this week. Or how much longer i want to go on but vitamins can help and this is reversible . . . . ? Okay but I am NOT good. Not hospice and death. No, vitamins and death first please. Wednesday was the worse so far except for the pain relief help received for some sleep and resting. Wow, God dear universe, why !!!! Will death feel this horrible ?
 
Pain and dosing, yes ! And either way it hurts a lot too. I think I read it in this thread one time when here at times, that . . . . the pain medicine is the actual thing causing my pain. This must have truth to this also because as soon as it wears off it hurts so bad. Therefore making my pain worse from taking and then not taking. The e.r. said they could only give me three days worth and then doled out only 5/325's. Then I pulled my shoulder even more along with everything else. I lifted my dog on the new furniture one too many times. She has to find her own spot to watch the house now. I have brittle and low density bones. What . . . ever causes this and is sad. And now the pain is bad again. Again. I cannot take Gabapentin because it throws me into the shakes and then I need regular pain medicine to stop me from vomiting too. So I am really bad now. I guess I will either get better or worse. I still have been able to go to work but I am not sure about this week. Or how much longer i want to go on but vitamins can help and this is reversible . . . . ? Okay but I am NOT good. Not hospice and death. No, vitamins and death first please. Wednesday was the worse so far except for the pain relief help received for some sleep and resting. Wow, God dear universe, why !!!! Will death feel this horrible ?
At some point death starts to look pretty appealing
 
But yet, it has been said many times; this is Reversible !
Yeah..... it is. I guess you have to be determined. Sometimes it feels like Nazi Germany and I’m waiting in line at the gas chamber. There are days when I would happily walk into the ‘shower’ just to make the suffering end. Another big reason I love BlueLight is that everyone here knows how it feels.
 
Sorry. I got a little dark there
You are so fine !!!! I appreciate honesty sometimes when it is all that there is in the moment.

So now I am on a new taper. And for some pain I took two doses of 5mg's every eight hours or so and recently took my 2.5mg of hydrocodone to mix with Caspian lotion topical and I actually nodded from the opiuim accumulation in my dosing ritual and was able to 'rest up' a little bit.

Apparently tapering takes a long long time. Sometimes even last for a decade and then some. Making an effort is probably way much better than not trying at all. If you keep going and stick to the taper those efforts will pay off no matter how long it takes to succeed. If we go into negative directions then of course we won't survive or even do better like we can do when we really do try.

You cannot punish yourself EVERYDAY. Sometimes you have to let your body and self do what it needs to do just don't make it worse by doing so much more that will be and is unnecessary. It's okay to allow little slip ups if it actually will keep your body from going into shock and destroying yourself with that kind of punishment.

When you really want something you will eventually get there. And it can happen. The most difficult part in life itself is always going to be staying there, at the point where you get to where you want to be !!!!!!!!!!! Life isn't designed to be that way. The purpose of life is to die out to make room for more pain and sufferings. It is very rare to find the strong one's around that want so much to do better and sometimes that is all that we can do or even ask for.

But the most important of all is to keep TRYING because you never know what day it will be that you will finally get there to do what you are actually trying with all of your effort to actually accomplish. And yes it happens, yes it does, and yes please don't give up. Even when your body is telling you it needs a little break once in a while. You just have to realize that sometimes less can be more even when you think nothing is going to rule, when it actually won't.

You have to realize life IS NOT perfect EVER and you are ALWAYS going to hit bumps in the road. Just make sure to hit all of the little ones. And it will work that way also in the long run and in the big picture. Life isn't one straight line forward. There are different ways around and there are many options to choose. You only live once so let's all do this well. <3

I am so honored to have you here. So the rest of us don't have to feel so alone also. Take care. You stand out in my life anyway. And it felt SO GOOD to even know that you gave me the time of day also, and or just for the fact that I was even here.

So thank you for that. I love to feel those really good feels or feelings as they are called also. So yes, just Thank You ?! And thank you for helping us understand too that there are others out there even !!!!!!!!!!!!

edit: spelling, you know. Because also, where is spellcheck when you need it. I guess.
 
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Hey all you nice people in the "we're very nice" thread, throw me a bone please.
Just a word of encouragement, I'm begging because I don't know how to ask nicely, me being a not very together person right now. In fact I'm in bits.
Still trying, y'know. Still failing. I'm fast approaching a brick wall, I didn't want to travel with shit but what do I do? I found out that all this cutting down on opiates is close to killing me. Either I get my bp down or I die. After days of feeling like I was dying and many times phoning the doctor over 8 days, they finally did my blood pressure for the first time in a few years I was in hypertensive crisis even at the lowest most relaxed they could get me to be. My BMI is 17 and falling, my BP was 198/118 in the clinic. I can't join the people hanging around the hospital waiting days for a possible admission so I'm home resting with more pills and ordered a bp machine off Amazon (Dr told me what to buy).
So I'm trying not to panic as best I can, but I'm not good at making myself feel ok, would I be an addict if I could fricking do that without substances?
So I'm killing myself if I do and I'm killing myself if I don't and for all my suicidal thoughts, I don't want to die yet.
And my mom has been at me again, she's a bitch and a half, she's going to fucking love every detail if she finds out because I'm demonstrating that she was always right about me. She was right I'm a walking mental health crisis, but wrong about everything else. Why won't she fucking leave me alone with her shit? We hardly know each other, but that doesn't stop her having her own personal knife in my heart to twist at will. She only intermittantly bothered to keep us as kids, never babysat my kids, but now she's old and wants all the benefits of having grown kids to play pretend with.
 
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^^^^^^ I know and when you are around stupid. And have to deal with stupid too, it makes it so much harder to go through all of everything, and quit, or even want to.

I know it isn't supposed to matter when you are trying to accomplish such a goal and have such a priority to tend to but it sure doesn't help.

And it actually does matter. Very few are probably able to overcome such odds. I mean you pretty much have to be brain dead to not let things and very specific things matter or affect you. Or at least as brain dead as possible. No that definitely won't help and is most likely why it is done so intentionally.

Brain dead is definitely and option. And you know where that direction will put you. Bullseye right on target. But when you do something that vindictive you will be right there as a target. And the more you practice the more expert you will be.

And it takes a lot of energy be on alert and defense 24/7. Not to mention draining and time absorbing. Like I say the odds are definitely not your friend, or even on your team.
Good Luck, however. Smiles. <3

I don't know, I might still be too high, of course.
 
Hey all you nice people in the "we're very nice" thread, throw me a bone please.
Just a word of encouragement, I'm begging because I don't know how to ask nicely, me being a not very together person right now. In fact I'm in bits.
Still trying, y'know. Still failing. I'm fast approaching a brick wall, I didn't want to travel with shit but what do I do? I found out that all this cutting down on opiates is close to killing me. Either I get my bp down or I die. After days of feeling like I was dying and many times phoning the doctor over 8 days, they finally did my blood pressure for the first time in a few years I was in hypertensive crisis even at the lowest most relaxed they could get me to be. My BMI is 17 and falling, my BP was 198/118 in the clinic. I can't join the people hanging around the hospital waiting days for a possible admission so I'm home resting with more pills and ordered a bp machine off Amazon (Dr told me what to buy).
So I'm trying not to panic as best I can, but I'm not good at making myself feel ok, would I be an addict if I could fricking do that without substances?
So I'm killing myself if I do and I'm killing myself if I don't and for all my suicidal thoughts, I don't want to die yet.
And my mom has been at me again, she's a bitch and a half, she's going to fucking love every detail if she finds out because I'm demonstrating that she was always right about me. She was right I'm a walking mental health crisis, but wrong about everything else. Why won't she fucking leave me alone with her shit? We hardly know each other, but that doesn't stop her having her own personal knife in my heart to twist at will. She only intermittantly bothered to keep us as kids, never babysat my kids, but now she's old and wants all the benefits of having grown kids to play pretend with.
I have LOTS of suggestions. Here we go, in no particular order.
1: High blood pressure can kill you right now. Not some random day in the future, but now. You need to get that under control in any way possible. If that means opiates then that’s what it means. HOWEVER..... opiates would only alleviate stress. They’re not generally associated with lowering bp. Blood pressure usually has a genetic component but it ALWAYS goes back to diet. Fat or skinny, doesn’t matter. It’s time to just eliminate processed foods from your diet. Vegan, carnivore, plant-based, etc. Those diets all can work but only if you eliminate processed shit like high fructose corn syrup and MSG. Start cooking all of your own meals %100 of the time. Stop counting calories and enjoy whatever you want that you can cook at home with only salt, pepper, garlic, etc... (as much as you like). No dairy, EVER. Don’t even try organic or you’ll give up fast. Look up “whole 30”, it’s a diet that really works and you can eat as much as you want (even potatoes, eggs, and bacon). Several people in my life have done it and cured themselves of diabetes, blood pressure, IBS, etc.
You will see real results in about 2 weeks if you can be strict with your diet.

2: Remember that the psychological effects of opiate wd can last for months even if you only lowered your dose. It affects your appetite, taste buds, thirst, sleep, and a whole host of other crap nobody talks about. All of these things can raise blood pressure. Tomorrow is going to suck a tiny bit less than today, but it’s still going to suck. SO.... plan for being impatient, exhausted, and everything in between. Make a big pot of stew so your family has food for a few days and you can rest tomorrow. Tell your boss you hurt your back and you can’t work late for a while. Make a list of everything you need to get done that can’t wait (like paying your taxes) and do one thing per week until the list is finished. There’s a giant sense of accomplishment when you cross the last item off the list, and you could really use that right now. If you promise yourself that you will try to be a better person tomorrow and you fail, you’ll only sink deeper into this hole you’re in now.

3: Your conversations with your Dr and any diagnosis he offers is private, so lie to your mom. She will never find out and it’s none of her business anyway. You could say that the Dr thinks you had Covid last year and you’re probably suffering from “Long Covid”. (It’s a real thing and kind of scary, not contagious anymore but still suffering). She’ll Google it on her own and at least start treating you with a bit more understanding. Any prescription the Dr actually gives you could actually be to treat the symptoms of Long Covid.

4: Last one..... Your health is the only thing that matters now. You die for any reason and your children’s lives instantly suck, forever. Heart attack, overdose, even a drunk driving arrest, and they get to feel the difference between “not a great mom” and “no mom at all”. I hated my parents and ultimately disowned my whole family. BUT, I recognize that my childhood would have been worse if I didn’t have them to complain about. Anybody has a problem with you, then they have a problem. If you’re making your situation worse by trying to get your mom off your back then you’re making her problems your own. ANYBODY who exists in your life now, who is making you worse, doesn’t deserve a place in your life. You don’t have to be rude about it, but you don’t have to answer the phone (or the door). Those are YOUR children, not hers. And I guarantee that her mom did the same crap to her when you were young and she f’ing hated it. (Which kind of makes her a hypocrite)

5: OK.. one more. Remember that you’re not a loser. You’re sick and trying to find a treatment. I don’t recommend saying that out loud to anyone, but you need to say it to yourself. The problem with opiate wd is that it gets a lot worse before it gets better. It makes you feel like you did something wrong and you feel like nobody could ever love you this way. ‘Whatever doesnt kill you will make you stronger’ right? Are you going to kill yourself? Probably not. If you could make it through this and get stronger when it’s over, then it means you will get through it. Focus on today, maybe just this hour or this minute. You made it through yesterday and the day before. You will make it through tomorrow too. Opiates have ended the lives of plenty of folks that you might thing were stronger than you are now, but it only means you’re stronger than you realize or you’d be dead already.
 
It was looking a very bad idea to continue any sort of withdrawal. I took just a little of everything I normally take. Whatever was keeping my blood pressure down needs to keep doing it a while longer.
 
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I have LOTS of suggestions. Here we go, in no particular order.
1: High blood pressure can kill you right now. Not some random day in the future, but now. You need to get that under control in any way possible. If that means opiates then that’s what it means. HOWEVER..... opiates would only alleviate stress. They’re not generally associated with lowering bp. Blood pressure usually has a genetic component but it ALWAYS goes back to diet. Fat or skinny, doesn’t matter. It’s time to just eliminate processed foods from your diet. Vegan, carnivore, plant-based, etc. Those diets all can work but only if you eliminate processed shit like high fructose corn syrup and MSG. Start cooking all of your own meals %100 of the time. Stop counting calories and enjoy whatever you want that you can cook at home with only salt, pepper, garlic, etc... (as much as you like). No dairy, EVER. Don’t even try organic or you’ll give up fast. Look up “whole 30”, it’s a diet that really works and you can eat as much as you want (even potatoes, eggs, and bacon). Several people in my life have done it and cured themselves of diabetes, blood pressure, IBS, etc.
You will see real results in about 2 weeks if you can be strict with your diet.

2: Remember that the psychological effects of opiate wd can last for months even if you only lowered your dose. It affects your appetite, taste buds, thirst, sleep, and a whole host of other crap nobody talks about. All of these things can raise blood pressure. Tomorrow is going to suck a tiny bit less than today, but it’s still going to suck. SO.... plan for being impatient, exhausted, and everything in between. Make a big pot of stew so your family has food for a few days and you can rest tomorrow. Tell your boss you hurt your back and you can’t work late for a while. Make a list of everything you need to get done that can’t wait (like paying your taxes) and do one thing per week until the list is finished. There’s a giant sense of accomplishment when you cross the last item off the list, and you could really use that right now. If you promise yourself that you will try to be a better person tomorrow and you fail, you’ll only sink deeper into this hole you’re in now.

3: Your conversations with your Dr and any diagnosis he offers is private, so lie to your mom. She will never find out and it’s none of her business anyway. You could say that the Dr thinks you had Covid last year and you’re probably suffering from “Long Covid”. (It’s a real thing and kind of scary, not contagious anymore but still suffering). She’ll Google it on her own and at least start treating you with a bit more understanding. Any prescription the Dr actually gives you could actually be to treat the symptoms of Long Covid.

4: Last one..... Your health is the only thing that matters now. You die for any reason and your children’s lives instantly suck, forever. Heart attack, overdose, even a drunk driving arrest, and they get to feel the difference between “not a great mom” and “no mom at all”. I hated my parents and ultimately disowned my whole family. BUT, I recognize that my childhood would have been worse if I didn’t have them to complain about. Anybody has a problem with you, then they have a problem. If you’re making your situation worse by trying to get your mom off your back then you’re making her problems your own. ANYBODY who exists in your life now, who is making you worse, doesn’t deserve a place in your life. You don’t have to be rude about it, but you don’t have to answer the phone (or the door). Those are YOUR children, not hers. And I guarantee that her mom did the same crap to her when you were young and she f’ing hated it. (Which kind of makes her a hypocrite)

5: OK.. one more. Remember that you’re not a loser. You’re sick and trying to find a treatment. I don’t recommend saying that out loud to anyone, but you need to say it to yourself. The problem with opiate wd is that it gets a lot worse before it gets better. It makes you feel like you did something wrong and you feel like nobody could ever love you this way. ‘Whatever doesnt kill you will make you stronger’ right? Are you going to kill yourself? Probably not. If you could make it through this and get stronger when it’s over, then it means you will get through it. Focus on today, maybe just this hour or this minute. You made it through yesterday and the day before. You will make it through tomorrow too. Opiates have ended the lives of plenty of folks that you might thing were stronger than you are now, but it only means you’re stronger than you realize or you’d be dead already.
This is a wonderful post and really helped me right now too, thank you (still a recovering alcoholic, and I'm also a new mum).
 
I have LOTS of suggestions. Here we go, in no particular order.
1: High blood pressure can kill you right now. Not some random day in the future, but now. You need to get that under control in any way possible. If that means opiates then that’s what it means. HOWEVER..... opiates would only alleviate stress. They’re not generally associated with lowering bp. Blood pressure usually has a genetic component but it ALWAYS goes back to diet. Fat or skinny, doesn’t matter. It’s time to just eliminate processed foods from your diet. Vegan, carnivore, plant-based, etc. Those diets all can work but only if you eliminate processed shit like high fructose corn syrup and MSG. Start cooking all of your own meals %100 of the time. Stop counting calories and enjoy whatever you want that you can cook at home with only salt, pepper, garlic, etc... (as much as you like). No dairy, EVER. Don’t even try organic or you’ll give up fast. Look up “whole 30”, it’s a diet that really works and you can eat as much as you want (even potatoes, eggs, and bacon). Several people in my life have done it and cured themselves of diabetes, blood pressure, IBS, etc.
You will see real results in about 2 weeks if you can be strict with your diet.

2: Remember that the psychological effects of opiate wd can last for months even if you only lowered your dose. It affects your appetite, taste buds, thirst, sleep, and a whole host of other crap nobody talks about. All of these things can raise blood pressure. Tomorrow is going to suck a tiny bit less than today, but it’s still going to suck. SO.... plan for being impatient, exhausted, and everything in between. Make a big pot of stew so your family has food for a few days and you can rest tomorrow. Tell your boss you hurt your back and you can’t work late for a while. Make a list of everything you need to get done that can’t wait (like paying your taxes) and do one thing per week until the list is finished. There’s a giant sense of accomplishment when you cross the last item off the list, and you could really use that right now. If you promise yourself that you will try to be a better person tomorrow and you fail, you’ll only sink deeper into this hole you’re in now.

3: Your conversations with your Dr and any diagnosis he offers is private, so lie to your mom. She will never find out and it’s none of her business anyway. You could say that the Dr thinks you had Covid last year and you’re probably suffering from “Long Covid”. (It’s a real thing and kind of scary, not contagious anymore but still suffering). She’ll Google it on her own and at least start treating you with a bit more understanding. Any prescription the Dr actually gives you could actually be to treat the symptoms of Long Covid.

4: Last one..... Your health is the only thing that matters now. You die for any reason and your children’s lives instantly suck, forever. Heart attack, overdose, even a drunk driving arrest, and they get to feel the difference between “not a great mom” and “no mom at all”. I hated my parents and ultimately disowned my whole family. BUT, I recognize that my childhood would have been worse if I didn’t have them to complain about. Anybody has a problem with you, then they have a problem. If you’re making your situation worse by trying to get your mom off your back then you’re making her problems your own. ANYBODY who exists in your life now, who is making you worse, doesn’t deserve a place in your life. You don’t have to be rude about it, but you don’t have to answer the phone (or the door). Those are YOUR children, not hers. And I guarantee that her mom did the same crap to her when you were young and she f’ing hated it. (Which kind of makes her a hypocrite)

5: OK.. one more. Remember that you’re not a loser. You’re sick and trying to find a treatment. I don’t recommend saying that out loud to anyone, but you need to say it to yourself. The problem with opiate wd is that it gets a lot worse before it gets better. It makes you feel like you did something wrong and you feel like nobody could ever love you this way. ‘Whatever doesnt kill you will make you stronger’ right? Are you going to kill yourself? Probably not. If you could make it through this and get stronger when it’s over, then it means you will get through it. Focus on today, maybe just this hour or this minute. You made it through yesterday and the day before. You will make it through tomorrow too. Opiates have ended the lives of plenty of folks that you might thing were stronger than you are now, but it only means you’re stronger than you realize or you’d be dead already.
You are a gem Squeaky, thank you. Especially point four, my entire life I've tried my utmost to protect and stand up for my kids, make sure they were safe and noone hurt them. The idea that I could die and devestate them now (because I get on very well with all my kids, they are my life) is very sobering.
It's just trauma comes back in withdrawal and then mom sends exactly the wrong email at the wrong time. My therapist a couple of years back told me, "You owe your mom NOTHING". She didn't take us, her kids, with her when she finally got rich, because the rich guy hated our Dad, so bye bye kids, sorry you couldn't get an education, the state will feed you I'm sure while we're off having a life you wouldn't deserve anyway.
More "tolerated at the mercy of the state" than "cared for by the state". From age sixteen I had to even use sex sometimes to have a roof over my head because until you turn 18 you can't legally do fuck all like get a lease on an apartment or a job to pay for it or go to school if your parents won't help you. Couldn't divorce your parents back when I was a kid, lol, but nothing stopped them making each of us homeless at age16. Anyway I won't splurge any more of my mental health mess here now, it's not a unique story, like she didn't mean to have us and we are still alive so we ought to be more grateful for the sacrifices she made and stop complaining about general human rights abuses we suffered as minors. So I go no contact again and she condemns me more for it and my head can't take her, I get PTSD just spending time with her in my opinion, because even when she is nice I hate it and end up remembering shit on repeat. By the way she never had any substance abuse problem that I know of, she was just a very cold person towards her daughters, we both have addictions despite having such a perfect mother, she finds it incomprehensible.
 
You are a gem Squeaky, thank you. Especially point four, my entire life I've tried my utmost to protect and stand up for my kids, make sure they were safe and noone hurt them. The idea that I could die and devestate them now (because I get on very well with all my kids, they are my life) is very sobering.
It's just trauma comes back in withdrawal and then mom sends exactly the wrong email at the wrong time. My therapist a couple of years back told me, "You owe your mom NOTHING". She didn't take us, her kids, with her when she finally got rich, because the rich guy hated our Dad, so bye bye kids, sorry you couldn't get an education, the state will feed you I'm sure while we're off having a life you wouldn't deserve anyway.
More "tolerated at the mercy of the state" than "cared for by the state". From age sixteen I had to even use sex sometimes to have a roof over my head because until you turn 18 you can't legally do fuck all like get a lease on an apartment or a job to pay for it or go to school if your parents won't help you. Couldn't divorce your parents back when I was a kid, lol, but nothing stopped them making each of us homeless at age16. Anyway I won't splurge any more of my mental health mess here now, it's not a unique story, like she didn't mean to have us and we are still alive so we ought to be more grateful for the sacrifices she made and stop complaining about general human rights abuses we suffered as minors. So I go no contact again and she condemns me more for it and my head can't take her, I get PTSD just spending time with her in my opinion, because even when she is nice I hate it and end up remembering shit on repeat. By the way she never had any substance abuse problem that I know of, she was just a very cold person towards her daughters, we both have addictions despite having such a perfect mother, she finds it incomprehensible.
My mom was a horrible person too. Spent her whole life wanting to be wealthy and finally made it happen when I was a teenager. Then had another child when I was nearly 20 and I got to watch her raising a child. It was a window into my own childhood, and very disturbing. I got to be vividly reminded of how she raised me and it was not good. 10 years later I just disowned my whole family because I knew that even my little brother and my grandmother would eventually become tools she would use to pry herself back into my life.

I don’t recommend anybody do what I did with my family, but my life is definitely better for it. I spent a couple of years after that being very angry, then a couple more feeling guilty. Lots of drunken sleepless nights.

Something I figured out several years ago: Everybody said “How could you disown her? She was your mother.” Or “He was your dad”. Well.... I was their child. Their only responsibility was to raise and protect me until I could take care of myself. If I moved away, I wouldn’t keep in touch with the neighbor who gave me ice cream once or helped me fix my bike a couple of times. That’s all my parents were to me when I needed to feel safe, so I moved away and didn’t keep in touch. It’s harsh but 100% true even if I was never abused (I was). In addition.... I have a responsibility to set a good example to my child now, and going back to the people who abused and neglected me as a child would definitely be the wrong message to send.

The fact that you’re even having this conversation means you’re already a better parent than your mom was/is, and you shouldn’t have to wait for her to die so you can start living your life. AND.... just imagine if you died and your mom got custody of your kids. I know you love your kids so much that the thought is terrifying.

Pick one thing to eliminate from your life. Start with an easy one. It will help give you some momentum. Maybe alcohol, maybe porn, who knows. Most people will fail if they try too hard to be too perfect too fast. I know you’re stronger than this., but it’s a huge mountain to climb.
 
Sometimes the people closest to us, even those who have a biblical responsibility to protect us from harm, are the ones who do us the most damage.

Even serial killers have children. But that doesn’t make them good parents.
 
My mom was a horrible person too. Spent her whole life wanting to be wealthy and finally made it happen when I was a teenager. Then had another child when I was nearly 20 and I got to watch her raising a child. It was a window into my own childhood, and very disturbing. I got to be vividly reminded of how she raised me and it was not good. 10 years later I just disowned my whole family because I knew that even my little brother and my grandmother would eventually become tools she would use to pry herself back into my life.

I don’t recommend anybody do what I did with my family, but my life is definitely better for it. I spent a couple of years after that being very angry, then a couple more feeling guilty. Lots of drunken sleepless nights.

Something I figured out several years ago: Everybody said “How could you disown her? She was your mother.” Or “He was your dad”. Well.... I was their child. Their only responsibility was to raise and protect me until I could take care of myself. If I moved away, I wouldn’t keep in touch with the neighbor who gave me ice cream once or helped me fix my bike a couple of times. That’s all my parents were to me when I needed to feel safe, so I moved away and didn’t keep in touch. It’s harsh but 100% true even if I was never abused (I was). In addition.... I have a responsibility to set a good example to my child now, and going back to the people who abused and neglected me as a child would definitely be the wrong message to send.

The fact that you’re even having this conversation means you’re already a better parent than your mom was/is, and you shouldn’t have to wait for her to die so you can start living your life. AND.... just imagine if you died and your mom got custody of your kids. I know you love your kids so much that the thought is terrifying.

Pick one thing to eliminate from your life. Start with an easy one. It will help give you some momentum. Maybe alcohol, maybe porn, who knows. Most people will fail if they try too hard to be too perfect too fast. I know you’re stronger than this., but it’s a huge mountain to climb.
It's hard to live with no family support, not just as a minor, it's something missing for life.
Now my kids are in their twenties and still have our support and love and cars and home, what is ours is theirs, as it should be.
I have never understood why my mom just gave up parenting once she got a better offer.
I had a vague belief that I would understand her motivating factors once my kids were about sixteen.
I didn't.
I realised then just how abnormally bad it is to throw away your daughters so young to fend entirely for themselves with only what the state would offer and the shirt on their backs.
That's when I knew my wagon was shaking so bad I was falling off it. I saw a therapist, two actually, explained the ex addict situation I had going on and it did no good.
I got to the tricky bits and started acting, pretending to be real, couldn't be real for some unknown reason. It got tough, I hid myself from the therapist behind the actress in me and resumed doping myself out of consciousness again.
About three years ago now.
Damn.
 
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It's hard to live with no family support, not just as a minor, it's something missing for life.
Now my kids are in their twenties and still have our support and love and cars and home, what is ours is theirs, as it should be.
I have never understood why my mom just gave up parenting once she got a better offer.
I had a vague belief that I would understand her motivating factors once my kids were about sixteen.
I didn't.
I realised then just how abnormally bad it is to throw away your daughters so young to fend entirely for themselves with only what the state would offer and the shirt on their backs.
That's when I knew my wagon was shaking so bad I was falling off it. I saw a therapist, two actually, explained the ex addict situation I had going on and it did no good.
I got to the tricky bits and started acting, pretending to be real, couldn't be real for some unknown reason. It got tough, I hid myself from the therapist behind the actress in me and resumed doping myself out of consciousness again.
About three years ago now.
Damn.
Unfortunately..... therapists are people too. Same as police, firemen, judges. All people. And our f’ed up parents could have become therapists, and destroyed the souls of countless patients. All under the disguise of “trained professionals”. Just because it’s their job to care or help, doesn’t mean they’re capable of doing either. I have seen a couple of good therapists, and one or two horrible ones.

What I have cone to know in life is that when you’re dealing with any person, in any situation, and it feels wrong..... then it probably is.
 
I’m in a new stage (of my recovery, I guess).

A year ago I was coming off huge amounts of oxy. I was using Kratom to handle the wd’s, and it really helped, but I was desperately watching the clock. I had figured out the timing of my Kratom doses and I knew that if I took my next dose too soon, I’d puke. And at least an hour before it was time, I would be struggling to wait because I really needed something but had to wait for fear of getting nauseous. Usually I would take some in the middle of the night just so I could kill my aches and pains enough to get a little sleep.

I have definitely screwed up my meds plenty in the last year. And I probably would have made more progress if I had just quit all together. But lately I’m really using Kratom as a preemptive strike, to stop my problems before they start. Sometimes I make it 11 or 12 hours at night without pills or Kratom, but it’s almost always at least 8 hours at night without it. I’ll take it when I wake up, mainly so that the morning doesn’t suck but never because I’m staring at the clock and waiting until it’s ’time’. I’m using smaller doses and sometimes less frequently. And my pain is less ‘everywhere’, more specific to my injury.

A year ago I had quit all pain meds (except for Kratom) for a few months and I was still suffering. After 3 months or so, I had kind of given up that I might have a normal life someday because I assumed that 90 days was enough to get that stuff out of my system. I was so wrong. A year later there is finally hope.
 
This time last year I was watching a documentary about opiates. They said it takes about 2 years of abstinence to feel ‘normal’. I sat and kicked myself for all of the times I was off the pills for a couple of weeks. Thinking about how far I would have been if I just ‘quit last month’, and feeling stupid for letting the pills back into my life every month. I’d get depressed thinking about how nice it would have been to have all of that suffering behind me. So depressed that I would go straight back to the pills every time. Then I would get mad at myself for failing, and the anger would push me towards more pills.

It’s impossible right? It took a year to feel normal-ish. I guess maybe it won’t take two years, but maybe it will since I keep taking 2 steps forward and 1 step back......
 
This time last year I was watching a documentary about opiates. They said it takes about 2 years of abstinence to feel ‘normal’. I sat and kicked myself for all of the times I was off the pills for a couple of weeks. Thinking about how far I would have been if I just ‘quit last month’, and feeling stupid for letting the pills back into my life every month. I’d get depressed thinking about how nice it would have been to have all of that suffering behind me. So depressed that I would go straight back to the pills every time. Then I would get mad at myself for failing, and the anger would push me towards more pills.

It’s impossible right? It took a year to feel normal-ish. I guess maybe it won’t take two years, but maybe it will since I keep taking 2 steps forward and 1 step back......
Still, this time last year you started four months abstenance that got the attention of some of us here and because you made it seem possible, I managed nearly all of July following your example.
And January too.
Even though I'm back to dependance on the shit, I know I'll make it out someday.
I'm not even getting high, not even feeling well, I'm just feeling bearable and without it it's not bearable.
So I put one foot in front of the other and hope that next week I'll feel stronger either physically or mentally or both and then perhaps I can make a plan.
Again.
It's all we can do. Unless you've the right frame of mind, there's no point starting Everest today.
 
Pick one thing to eliminate from your life.
After seeing the family dynamic of people I stayed with at the weekend, wow. They are lovely to each other and you can tell it wasn't an act put on for us, it was real love from parents towards their kids, like I try my best at and I hope I did OK.
So what to give up? What is most toxic for me?
Hmm, I think I'll give up my mom.
 
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