Same thing as opiates. Aim for dropping by percentages. 10mg per week will not suck too much right now, but it’s gonna be hell as you get closer to the finish line.
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Also, with the diazepam, best to get on a tight dosing schedule. Maybe only twice per day should be your target. You definitely want about 1/2 of your daily dose to be just before bedtime. Sleep is more important than we give it credit for, and if you take it when you get home from work you’ll find yourself desperately wanting to cheat at midnight when you are wide awake and suffering.
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Insomnia, heartburn, vertigo, this is shit. I got up in the night and fell over the sodding bed onto the floor because I couldn't work out which way was up in the dark with my headphones on. 4.30am, the gamers in the house were still gaming but I was supposed to be working today. Maybe this afternoon?
Little sips of pod tea, not too much or it makes me sick, not too little or I'll be sicker.
I've got it down to around 10g a day dried pods.
Maybe the heartburn is too much citric acid?
It just feels like I'll fall over all the time, what a wimp!
But the buprenorphine is what I'm missing today. It should be a little step up that makes the pods better, but sometimes I think it does the opposite, so I'm just going to spend the day suffering mildly so as I don't suffer worse tomorrow.
Little sips of pod tea, not too much or it makes me sick, not too little or I'll be sicker.
I've got it down to around 10g a day dried pods.
Maybe the heartburn is too much citric acid?
It just feels like I'll fall over all the time, what a wimp!
But the buprenorphine is what I'm missing today. It should be a little step up that makes the pods better, but sometimes I think it does the opposite, so I'm just going to spend the day suffering mildly so as I don't suffer worse tomorrow.
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Heartburn can come from opiates, nicotine, lots of different stuff. I get it bad from nicotine. Also from prolonged caffeine usage (it holds the valve on top of your stomach open so the acid comes back up)
Tums....tums...tums.
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Hey guys,
Just wanted to let you know I am alright.
Sorry for the panic message.
I didn’t make a midnight run to the pharmacy either. Lol!
Thought about it.
Thank God I at least have my medicine now.
I just have not been feeling well at all.
I can’t quite kick the Covid- pneumonia, whatever it is.
It is nasty and doesn’t seem to go away completely.
It has been 2 and a half months now.
I took a round of strong antibiotics and everything.
Still didn’t kick it.
I’m so tired of being sick and tired.
Hope everyone is hanging in there and doing alright.
For those who are tapering, do it!
You do not want to be trapped by Drugs.
Do it while you can .
It gets really bad and you get passed a point where you can’t get free of them.
Much Love All,
P.O.
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Good thinking.
Do not run yourself completely out.
Take it from me, it is living hell,
Try some Famotidine for the acid reflux.
It is the only thing that works for me for the acid reflux.
It is just a generic over the counter med.
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Morphine Withdrawal Symptoms (& The Top 20 Things That Can Help) - Opiate Addiction Support
Morphine Withdrawal Symptoms - Read on to see the Master List of common and uncommon Morphine Withdrawal Symptoms and ways to reduce your symptoms FAST.
opiateaddictionsupport.com
I found this great article on Opiate Withdrawal and the top 20 things that can help,
Opiate Withdrawal - dependence is such a bitch because after you get through the Acute stage then you go to the PAWS
Post acute stage. That stage can last for years or never go away.
Kratom sounds like it might be the ticket to get through it comfortably.
This guy covers all options. From Loperamide, to Bupe, to Krarom, Gabapentin...etc...
I am going to add Doxylamine to his list.
It is helpful for the insomnia and anxiety.
it is also over the counter. In the sleep aid section. You really have to look for it, check the ingredients list.
I find it helpful for benzodiazepine withdrawal also.
I hope this helps someone out there.
Please know that you are not alone.
Don‘t give up.
Sending you lots of love,
P.O,
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Been trying to taper these OPMS black kratom shots but still averaging 5 a day. Need to stop this nonsense maybe switch to plain leaf capsules in the interim.
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Hi all! I’m new here so hope I’m doing this correctly. I’m not sure whether I’m suppose to reply to someone directly or just write out what I want to say and post? Feel free to correct me
Anyone have any experience microdosing mushrooms in order to help them taper? My biggest challenge is psychological (like many I know). I’m fairly high-functioning and my productivity completely stalls. I feel paralyzed with emotion. I’m neurodivergent and believe I’ve always been operating at a deficit.
*for context, I’ve felt this way since childhood … I had to be off of everything for about a year a few years back and it was like my youth all over
Anyone have any experience microdosing mushrooms in order to help them taper? My biggest challenge is psychological (like many I know). I’m fairly high-functioning and my productivity completely stalls. I feel paralyzed with emotion. I’m neurodivergent and believe I’ve always been operating at a deficit.
*for context, I’ve felt this way since childhood … I had to be off of everything for about a year a few years back and it was like my youth all over
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Thanks for the link and the tip, insomnia is torture in withdrawal and I'm out of hydroxyzine, does the same but it's prescription only.
Y'know, for when I'm feeling brave enough to give it another go.
Right now I'm just concentrating on keeping my job, we're getting auditted, scary stuff, can't let that go wrong.
Get the powder online in bulk. It’s dirt cheap (per dose anyway). You can get empty capsules online too, but the nasty taste of the raw powder might inspire you to cut back.
The worst part of withdrawals is how long it takes, and time moves like molasses. Anything psychedelic will help with making time go faster. The mushrooms might also help you to understand why you do what you do, and give some clarity to the cold hard fact that much of your stress is caused by some of the people in your life. If you can figure out what is driving your need to ‘escape’ life, maybe you can get out from the control of your addiction.
I never tried mushrooms, but I have seen plenty of documentaries. The main take-away from that experience for most people is a deeper understanding of themselves.
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If you go to the links of the 20 remedies, it's a great read. I really want to try the vitamin C one. Possibly tomorrow?Morphine Withdrawal Symptoms (& The Top 20 Things That Can Help) - Opiate Addiction Support
Morphine Withdrawal Symptoms - Read on to see the Master List of common and uncommon Morphine Withdrawal Symptoms and ways to reduce your symptoms FAST.
I found this great article on Opiate Withdrawal and the top 20 things that can help,
Opiate Withdrawal - dependence is such a bitch because after you get through the Acute stage then you go to the PAWS
Post acute stage. That stage can last for years or never go away.
Kratom sounds like it might be the ticket to get through it comfortably.
This guy covers all options. From Loperamide, to Bupe, to Krarom, Gabapentin...etc...
I am going to add Doxylamine to his list.
It is helpful for the insomnia and anxiety.
it is also over the counter. In the sleep aid section. You really have to look for it, check the ingredients list.
I find it helpful for benzodiazepine withdrawal also.
I hope this helps someone out there.
Please know that you are not alone.
Don‘t give up.
Sending you lots of love,
P.O,
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I can't decide what to do.
I have made a plan and gathered up helpful meds.
This morniing instead of a pot of expresso pods, I had omeprazole, baclofen, clonidine and vitamin C. Two hours after the omeprazole I can start on gabapentin too, then keep redosing through the day. Got loperamide on standby too.
I feel fuzzy headed and nauseous, but already I'm defeating myself saying it's pointless to quit when I know come Christmas I'll be back on anything I can get hold of.
Then I'll be back to doing another withdrawal or working out how to get what I need in an unfamiliar country.
My life on repeat.
A friend tried suicide, it shook me up, he said heroin doesn't work any more, I'm thinking my tolerance needs addressing too.
Is there any point trying when I know it's going to end up being a temporary measure?
I have made a plan and gathered up helpful meds.
This morniing instead of a pot of expresso pods, I had omeprazole, baclofen, clonidine and vitamin C. Two hours after the omeprazole I can start on gabapentin too, then keep redosing through the day. Got loperamide on standby too.
I feel fuzzy headed and nauseous, but already I'm defeating myself saying it's pointless to quit when I know come Christmas I'll be back on anything I can get hold of.
Then I'll be back to doing another withdrawal or working out how to get what I need in an unfamiliar country.
My life on repeat.
A friend tried suicide, it shook me up, he said heroin doesn't work any more, I'm thinking my tolerance needs addressing too.
Is there any point trying when I know it's going to end up being a temporary measure?
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I tried to get some today, was told no, it's prescription only here
An old saying....”Whether you believe you can, or believe you can’t, you’re right.”
Even if you’re taking 2 steps forward and 1 step back, then you’re making progress. Sometimes the only progress is having learned what doesn’t work. It’s a very long journey, so the best thing to do is focus on where you were and where you are now. I think you’re making progress. As long as that continues, you’ll eventually get to where you want to be.
The day you give up is the first day you have lost.
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I'm sipping the mildest pod tea, perhaps only 20% of my usual dose and I'm taking the meds the doctor gave me to take, buprenorphine (didn't stop that this time, couldn't do it any more) clonidine, gabapentin, baclofen, anti sickness tablets, loperamide and a mild steroid to keep me moving, however slowly. Plus vitamin C, but no codeine or kratom because I want to lower my tolerance and I'll tell you that my brain completely rejoiced at the first taste of my mild tea, I was taken instantly to a nicer place, didn't even have to wait for the drug to kick in, my brain was ecstatic with the mere flavour of pods and lemon.
I'd a strange argument with my husband yesterday. I was being as much use as a chocloate fireguard all day, then couldn't even shove chips in the oven for dinner, useless, but I said I'll be better soon enough, y'know when I get used to the doctor's regime again, then I can stop with pods and opium.
He said I was addicted to my prescriptions, I agreed. He asked what I was going to do about it. I said nothing, it's not a problem if it's from the doctor, this is what I'm supposed to do. He said but you're addicted, again I agreed but I don't see the problem. Isn't it better to be addicted to something I can travel with? Although with the above list of daily meds there are countries who would refuse me entry anyway. He'd probably lose his shit if he saw me snorting instead of orally taking the gabs, but other than that I've not abused my meds in a long time, well not since yesterday,
I forgot, I used a second bupre patch, but no plugging or undertongue drops, no I had under tongue drops of bupre yesterday or the day before, my head isn't clear enough yet to work this shit out. My husband doesn't like me taking dozens of pills, he sees pod tea as a much better alternative and so do I, but it's not allowed.My pee has gone cloudy with the colder weather again, this is opiate plus cold weather does me some harm it seems, every year the same, my third September of this particular addiction, this time round, I've usually managed to get back on my feet sooner than this, but I was drinking a lot the time I quit properly, this time I've weed instead of booze because I want to be an acceptable part of society and not give a reason for my mum to disapprove of me, like she did when I was drinking and my sister told her no point giving money to me, called me an alcho, said give it to her instead (and somehow her use wasn't as obvious, so it worked). I've seen too many people lose their dignity over this shit. The chaos she lived in wasn't as bad as the chaos I'd previously lived in, but when I got sober, I was disgusted with the dirt everywhere and the single minded, where's the money attitude, every day, to relieve all friends and family of any extra cash. I've paid for the shit before for others and I can't affford that. Where there's a will there's a way, I learned not to go to the cash ATM with certain people, or my card would end up suppling the money for their shit instead of my bills.
I need to clear my head and take a step back, that is why I need to reduce my opiate intake although it breaks my heart to say goodbye, my heart was shattered as a child, I can't take another shattering, it would kill me, I need my meds to be with me permanently and me messing about puts that in danger, the only way I can know I'll get opiates the rest of my life is through the doctors, my medical condition is life limiting not life threatening as much, so I get paliative care now even though I'm not dying, don't want to lose that. Is that a good enough reason I wonder? My pods use started when the doctors were still refusing me pain relief except low dose gabapentin, I honestly think if they'd given me something sooner I wouldn't have gone back to illegal stuff.
All the doses are too low, I need more before it works so I end up saving my pills until I have a good amount of unused prescriptions and then use them in an effective quantity, that other people are prescribed to start with. They'll run out because I take more than the doctor says, like gabapentin they give me a 300 twice a day, it should be three times a day, but they don't look at the instructions, they look at the skinny little scrap of a human in front of them and give me fricking child doses. I was on it a year before they moved me from the 100s to the 300s. I can't tell them it only works if I take more because I'm not allowed to experiment with what might work best, I have to accept their judgement instead which is a horrible catch 22 situation.
@Squeaky How did you approach your doctor to increase or decrease your dose? I want to say I know for a fact I feel better on higher doses, but can't say how I know, because y'know how tight those drug abuser labels stick and I don't want one.
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I can barely believe how well this plan is working. This week I cut down so much that what I'd use in a day is lasting all week. I feel a little sick, but that's normal for me.
Last night wasn't so bad with the leg kicks, the night before my hubbie couldn't sleep for my legs twitching and kicking all night, it wakes me too.
Cravings right now are not a thing, they have been bad the last two days, now less so.
I might feel able to step off completely if this continues.
Thanks to bluelight I know which meds help and I've gathered up most of them.
My husband is great, after being kept awake the night before with bruising kicks, he says last night I was sleeping when he got to bed, so he lifted my vape pipe off my chest where I'd dropped it and turned off the lights but didn't move me off my three pillows. One pillow is quiet, two pillows and I snore, three pillows and I wake the street I expect. He went to sleep in the living room, lol. He reassured me that the sofa is as comfy as any bed, but he doesn't get to hold my bum as he falls asleep. How sweet is that?
I'm much less disorientated, I was falling sideways a lot at first and my vision was double much more than usual. The usual physical symptoms are mild with these meds and the psychological aspect is much improved too, I can even sleep on and off.
But I've been listening all night to the remastered Led Zep 4 with loads of extra instrumentals that I hadn't heard before on decent speakers. It has blown my mind how good it sounds on my headphones (I always sleep with my headphones playing). I'm going to get really good speakers instead, with my next pay, then I can hear it this good without the headphones.
I decided listening to Alice In Chains every night wasn't helping me forget about getting slaughtered, lol.
Last night wasn't so bad with the leg kicks, the night before my hubbie couldn't sleep for my legs twitching and kicking all night, it wakes me too.
Cravings right now are not a thing, they have been bad the last two days, now less so.
I might feel able to step off completely if this continues.
Thanks to bluelight I know which meds help and I've gathered up most of them.
My husband is great, after being kept awake the night before with bruising kicks, he says last night I was sleeping when he got to bed, so he lifted my vape pipe off my chest where I'd dropped it and turned off the lights but didn't move me off my three pillows. One pillow is quiet, two pillows and I snore, three pillows and I wake the street I expect. He went to sleep in the living room, lol. He reassured me that the sofa is as comfy as any bed, but he doesn't get to hold my bum as he falls asleep. How sweet is that?
I'm much less disorientated, I was falling sideways a lot at first and my vision was double much more than usual. The usual physical symptoms are mild with these meds and the psychological aspect is much improved too, I can even sleep on and off.
But I've been listening all night to the remastered Led Zep 4 with loads of extra instrumentals that I hadn't heard before on decent speakers. It has blown my mind how good it sounds on my headphones (I always sleep with my headphones playing). I'm going to get really good speakers instead, with my next pay, then I can hear it this good without the headphones.
I decided listening to Alice In Chains every night wasn't helping me forget about getting slaughtered, lol.