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ClubbinGuido said:
I think he meant he wants to take revenge on Tony. I tell you what though, Im worried about the tension between Christopher and Tony. That look in Christopher's eyes when Tony hugged him at the church...
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I thought there was definite tension, but then he seemed to relax around the mouth and the eyes..

at least I hope so - I really wouldn't want the series to end that way
 
Finder said:
How about Paulie answering his cell phone in the middle of the premiere? Hilarious! :D



Jesus it can't really be that difficult. 8(
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Sure it can, when you got 3,000+ channels:)
 
Try the direct tv channel guide on their freaking site. or just call them - if you're paying for 3k channels, i'm sure they wouldn't mind offering you a little technical support.
 
^ LOL, damn that was an interesting episode. i wonder why so much time was dedicated to junior. that asian kid had me laughin. n' fuckin paulie cot dayum dude is hilarious filling up the napkin with all those danishes. i hope the remaining episodes focus on phil. he has become my fav character n' gotta respect dudes gangster!
 
I agree that Paulie is a fun character but I've figured out that I enjoy episodes where there's more of an equal distribution of screen time. Because of that I like group events in the Sopranos... parties, weddings, funerals...

I too was wondering at the end why they spent so much time on Junior. Perhaps it's his contract or maybe his character is just waiting to emerge in the scene again. I think it's interesting that they're keeping this New York war in the background. Something big has to come out of that.
 
I REALLY didn't like this episode. Maybe because we are already into the 3rd episode I was thinking something big was going to happen. That shit with Junior was just filler for the show. It would have been different if he had died, but he didn't. They didn't need to dedicate half the episode to him being in the home, it did nothing for the show.

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Also, the whole thing with Tony and Paulie went nowhere. maybe something is going to happen between them, but its like after all these years Paulie is just NOW getting on Tony's nerves.

It looks like Tony is getting more into gambling - especially with the previews for the next season - that is a different angle for Tony.

And where the hell has Christopher been? Aside from the Cleaver shit, he has had no part in the final episodes.

So now it seems Phil is in charge..

I guess the first 3 episodes really had nothing to do with each other, aside from the Phil gaining power. I hope that the rest of the episodes really pick up momentum because so far these have been worse than season 2. So dissapointed... :p


maybe I am just bitter, but please - if you want to discuss Direct TV, create a new thread for it.
 
I think they're giving Junior some airtime to stage his exit. It would have been lame if all the sudden he just died. I actually thought it was kind of amusing.

As for Paulie and Tony, it seems to me that they're showing Tony distancing himself from his friends and members of his organization. First with Christopher and now with Paulie...
 
phrozen said:
I think they're giving Junior some airtime to stage his exit. It would have been lame if all the sudden he just died. I actually thought it was kind of amusing.

As for Paulie and Tony, it seems to me that they're showing Tony distancing himself from his friends and members of his organization. First with Christopher and now with Paulie...
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All good points. but really 8 or 9 episodes to finish of the show - I would think that more would have happened by the 3rd episode to progress the story line. Phrozen - I think what you said about Junior is good, but too much time was dedicated to him, and he didn't even die.

Nothing to indicate that Tony is trying to distance himself from the organization, I guess I don't agree with that... He really doesn't seem concerned over who is going to be in charge of the family, I think that if anything idicates he is trying to distance himself from the life.

in the previews for next week's show it looks like he might start to get into it with Phil.. Its about time...
 
I haven't seen next week's preview, since they're not available on demand.

Another thing that I thought indicated that he wants "out" was the reaction he had to Carmine's explanation of why he doesn't want to be head of the family. It seemed that he actually agreed with Carmine for a minute there.

With all that being said, it's hard as shit to predict what will happen. I think they're placing a lot of red herrings out there and leaving as many endings as possible open 'til the last episode.
 
stereobot said:
I REALLY didn't like this episode. Maybe because we are already into the 3rd episode I was thinking something big was going to happen. That shit with Junior was just filler for the show. It would have been different if he had died, but he didn't. They didn't need to dedicate half the episode to him being in the home, it did nothing for the show.

the following MIGHT contain spoilers if you missed 4/22 Sopranos.

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Also, the whole thing with Tony and Paulie went nowhere. maybe something is going to happen between them, but its like after all these years Paulie is just NOW getting on Tony's nerves.

It looks like Tony is getting more into gambling - especially with the previews for the next season - that is a different angle for Tony.

And where the hell has Christopher been? Aside from the Cleaver shit, he has had no part in the final episodes.

So now it seems Phil is in charge..

I guess the first 3 episodes really had nothing to do with each other, aside from the Phil gaining power. I hope that the rest of the episodes really pick up momentum because so far these have been worse than season 2. So dissapointed... :p


maybe I am just bitter, but please - if you want to discuss Direct TV, create a new thread for it.
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Man, are you missing the point of this show or what?

If you look back at previous seasons "slow" episodes, you always see that there was a point to them, whether it's subtle or not. They were showing how completely marginalized Jr. has become in his old age, highlighting the fact that isn't something Tony wants for himself, not that they're going to come right out and say it. The first two episodes have been up there with some of my favorites, so I'm not sure where the season 2 comparison comes in. That was one of the most exciting of the show. In fact, are we watching the same show??

As far as the Paulie/Tony story, I don't understand how you can say it went nowhere seeing as though Tony had been considering offing Paulie, but has now changed his mind. Pretty significant if you ask me.

Maybe I'm just bitter, but I get irritated when people moan about nothing happening on the show. Lots of stuff is happening, it just doesn't always involve people getting killed.
 
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wow was i way off about aj's girlfriend. was that it? I thought there was going to be more to it than that.

i have to say i don't understand the introduction of tony's gambling as an issue, as it has never really been addressed before. after the discussion with carmela, it sort of seemed like it was being used more metaphorically.

tony's comment about surviving the gunshot wound seems to be more foreshadowing of something bad in tony's future that has been presented recently.
 
i hear ya pennywise,i dunno why they bring this shit up with only 5 episodes left. id think it would be goin in some definite direction by now.

poor aj, when his girl left, he had that "fucking biiiiiiiitch" look. and man that was some fucked up shit they did to lil vito!

anywho, previews for next week looked good (as they always do) i just hope this shit picks up pace.

Finder said:
Maybe I'm just bitter, but I get irritated when people moan about nothing happening on the show. Lots of stuff is happening, it just doesn't always involve people getting killed.
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so far this season every episode had a killing, from bobbys hit, to dude gettin wacked at the dinner table wit sil, n' doc santoro got it last week. i havent read any post in this thread with people sayin they are unhappy with recent episodes cause no one is gettin killed, cause obviously there is plenty of that. this season just isnt measuring up to past imo n' it has nothin to do without people gettin wacked, cause they are.
 
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Yeah, I don't get the whole gambling bit either. I'd imagine that he'd know better from being involved in that type of business(gambling, loans). Not to mention that in previous episodes from past seasons he's voiced his dislike of problematic gamblers.

Sucks for AJ, but he should have seen in coming. Not like she handled it in the best way possible though. Dumping him after he gave her the ring and when he was spending time with her kid at the PR day parade. Fucking cunt.

Haha, the most memorable part had to be lil Vito's shower scene. I never saw that coming.

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It looks like Chris is back to drinking/drugs next week. Can't wait.
 
all really good points you guys have. That gambling problem came out of nowhere. kind of metaphorical I guess, Tony is taking a chance with life and his family all the time. I think the fact he thinks he is ahead in life is dangerous.

The show also focused a lot on relationships, and the ending of them.

I am surpised that Tony doesn't seem to have any interest in being the head of the organization. its not like him.

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I don't know what the point of the Jewish character's wife dying though...

Also looks like AJ isn't taking the break up too well. The next episode looks like it will be good, but they all have been looking good and the pace is just not picking up. I think they could have taken these last 9 episodes and just made 4 or 5 more. The ONLY thing that has progressed the story line was John sack's death, Phil taking the head role, and Tony's gambling problem.



I haven't been this dissapointed after watching a new sopranos episode since I watched season 2.
 
Finder said:
Man, are you missing the point of this show or what?

If you look back at previous seasons "slow" episodes, you always see that there was a point to them, whether it's subtle or not. They were showing how completely marginalized Jr. has become in his old age, highlighting the fact that isn't something Tony wants for himself, not that they're going to come right out and say it. The first two episodes have been up there with some of my favorites, so I'm not sure where the season 2 comparison comes in. That was one of the most exciting of the show. In fact, are we watching the same show??

As far as the Paulie/Tony story, I don't understand how you can say it went nowhere seeing as though Tony had been considering offing Paulie, but has now changed his mind. Pretty significant if you ask me.

Maybe I'm just bitter, but I get irritated when people moan about nothing happening on the show. Lots of stuff is happening, it just doesn't always involve people getting killed.
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No - I see your points. It doesn't have to be all action by any means.

the Junior thing - I really didn't think they needed to use 3/4ths of an episode to him in the home. most of that wasn't necessary to prove the point that his life is basically over, he has nothing after all he has done. I get that Junior really cares and respects the life of the Mafia - he was hie hard. but it still got him nowhere. They could have written that and taken up 20 minutes of the show tops.

I do see where Tony's thoughts of killing Paulie were significant. Maybe that attitude will come up again in a future episode, or maybe nothing will come of it.

Season 2 - From what I remember of this season, and it has been a while, I remember a LOT of the time in the episodes were spent with Tony's family and trivial things that were going on in their lives. I think maybe the show was still trying to find its niche, not sure if they wanted to spend as much time focusing on the kids and their lives. I just remember a lot of shit going on that I really didn't care about, not just because I was expecting more action or violence, I didn't care because it wasn't very interesting.

I watched Season 1 again last week. Those are classic. I remember seasons 3,4,5 being REALLY good too.

I don't think I am missing the point of the show. I get the symbolism and I get that there are a lot of internal struggles with some of the main characters, and there a lot of character development, which I think is unparalleled in other shows.

I guess for the final episodes - they have only 9 shows to seal up everything, which I think is enough time to develop the characters and properly explain their demise (or future being alive) and wrap up everything. It just seems that the last 4 episodes have been a little "rushed" or something, so much of the material doesn't seem to have progressed many of the characters very much. Some, but not many.

I would just hate to see everything happen at once, like in the last 2 episodes. its like the pacing is off.

what do I know though. I haven't come up with a better show.
 
stereobot said:
I would just hate to see everything happen at once, like in the last 2 episodes. its like the pacing is off.
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I definitely see your point here. It seems a little late to be introducing new plot threads such as Tony's gambling problem or the problems with little Vito. Perhaps those threads will be important to the overall story later, and they will be integrated in such a way that they play a part in wrapping up the story, so I am a little hesitant to say that they are pointless, but based on the direction that the story is headed (the disorganization of the New York family, the tension within the Jersey crew) they don't seem to be as relevant as it would seem they should be considering that the show is about to end.

I also agree with Finder in that the show is progressing nevertheless. The relationship between Tony and Carmela seems to be tied in with Carm's spec house in a way. When things are going good Tony helps her out and is supportive of her project, but when they aren't they seem to fight about it. So the issues with the house that were presented in this episode are relevant. Also, AJ's breakup with his girlfriend was handled, and it looks like that is going to result in some interaction between Tony and AJ that might reveal something about their relationship. So far, they have also developed Tony's relationship with the members of his crew (Paulie in the last episode, Chris in the one before that, and Bobby in the one before that). It's all sort of setting the stage so that we know how Tony stands with everyone when whatever is going to happen to end the show happens.

It's on a slow boil, but things are happening. I guess if you think about it, they have to take their time if they are going to bring closure to such an intricate and expansive story.
 
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