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The social justice warrior movement and its implications

re: bluelight. I wrote a blog/journal as a kind of tribute to Naked Lunch - a novel once banned for obscenity and now recognized as an important part of 20thc literature. I post a link to it, not the text itself, on a forum devoted to 'beat poet buddhism' and and instantly permabanned. now in this text, i use prison slang and say 'nigga' repeatedly, and 'nigger' once. bluelight didn't blink an eye - because, i hope, they say it as an attempt at art. there is a difference between hatespeech and art - hatespeech is about hate, not the individual words. surely this is clear by now? banning the words is treating the symptoms while ignoring the disease.

YOU CANNOT END HATE SPEECH BY BANNING SPECIFIC WORDS - YOU MUST ADDRESS THE DISEASE OF HATRED RATHER THAN WASTING TIME ON THE SYMPTOMS.
 
i guess i wouldnt object to that morally if you had some kind if tag like there is for nsfw, but related to words that carry a lot of negative history.
 
Bardeaux said:
Wow, am I going to preach freedom to droppers in this post for a change? Let's find out.

I don't think any word should be banned, period. Even that one should be legal to say, regardless of how vile it may be. The only time speech should be limited is when it's used intentionally to cause panic or physically hurt someone (ie- yelling fire, slander etc). The banning of Huckleberry Finn from public classrooms recently is a good example of unnecessary censorship. The book uses the word in it's historical context, as it was written in the 19th century and the book itself is a milestone in American literature. We can't start burning books again.


However, private entities can choose what is or isn't acceptable within their own jurisdiction. If I say you can't say the word "tomato" in my house, I have every right to ask you to leave if you use it. Likewise, on BL, we have our own set of rules of what is and isn't acceptable to say, and they are to be followed. Context is also key, as we've seen in this thread. Using the words for analytical purposes isn't the same as using them freely in ordinary conversation. I think the vast majority of us are aware of this, but some refuse to acknowledge it.

No one is taking away your free speech, you're free to use whatever language you like elsewhere on the internet. You won't go to jail for using a word (unless you're Edward Snowden or Julian Assange, but lets be real), but you might be blocked access from a private community that does not allow such words.
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Hate speech is free speech, lemming. Ill say TL using faggot is akin to Richard Pryor using the n word etc. The social justice warrior movement is pure hogwash and clearly the product of oversaturation.

One Thousand Words said:
I'd love to know the data of the number of members who originally signed up due to the HR component of bluelight who now post exclusively in the Darkside and sober living?

It would be an interesting performance target measure of the success of the drug forums if after say 3-5 years of being a member, how many are still able to safely enjoy drug taking and how many have been discouraged from becoming full blown addicts.

Cross reference this against those who took offence to being called a faggot or a retard and perhaps there might be a statistical correlation?
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OTWs you are olways so on point. I bet the variances would prove the SJW movement worng

alasdairm said:
droppers, i am asking a pretty simple question and making some very simple points and you're not willing or able to provide counterpoint. what conclusion am i supposed to draw?

alasdair
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Your pedantic questions get lost in the fold. Remind me again and then convince yourself why you are right..
 
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Droppersneck said:
Your pedantic questions get lost in the fold. Remind me again and then convince yourself why you are right..
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you seem to want your cake and eat it and won't just take a moment to clarify your position.

when people talk about your trolliing in here, i think this is the kind of thing they have in mind.

alasdair
 
Is it trolling because I am concise and to the point? Everything I have said is what I believe. Believe me, many thinking people do not buy the movement and all things involved with said subscription. You are essentially this in a nutshell with no meaning to degenerate but only to enlighten
 
It's trolling because you're desperate for attention and you're not relevant or challenging in any meaningful way.
I think you realise that your participation here is redundant, but don't know how to deal with it, besides seeking more attention, like this.
No offence :)
 
I guess the definition of trolling is different with everyone. I am certainly not the first to hold contention with overt political correctness displayed as a form of bravado delving into the psyche of being the least threatening/challenging in the name of whatever you personally attribute your sense of perceived morality to. Sj living in Australia you have a heightened sense to the movement why not throw out the shtick and discuss why you have such strong feelings about quelling speech on the internet that can be perceived as hateful? Why must it be advanced to this medium? what purpose does it serve?

It all comes back to OTWs post if you ran those statistics you wouldnt like what you found if I had to bet
 
Droppersneck said:
I guess the definition of trolling is different with everyone. I am certainly not the first to hold contention with overt political correctness displayed as a form of bravado delving into the psyche of being the least threatening/challenging in the name of whatever you personally attribute your sense of perceived morality to. Sj living in Australia you have a heightened sense to the movement why not throw out the shtick and discuss why you have such strong feelings about quelling speech on the internet that can be perceived as hateful? Why must it be advanced to this medium? what purpose does it serve?

It all comes back to OTWs post if you ran those statistics you wouldnt like what you found if I had to bet
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Sorry, i don't read your posts anyway, maybe you could PM someone that agrees with your televangelist crap.
 
Bardo trust me I understood your point and i am just wondering how you do not think I already know that. The point of discussing this need not be a display of your ability to rattle off blua.

Prior to this school of thought being applied I vaguely remember certain forums but we knew they were better more fruitful places to post. Very few parameters have changed outside of the variance of posters. Now certain people will argue their politics and say it is just that variance, but I feel like that is far from being honest with ones self.
 
This simply appears to be an axe-grinding thread. If you want to discuss Bluelight rules or more specifically the Lounge rules, use the support forum.
 
Willow only the last page has devolved to that. It is really a discussion of the idea of social justice and what it is why it is and how can people that think logically maneuver within its confines. Being in search of answer I would greatly appreciate your input as I have always found it refreshing with other topics at hand.
 
I said I understand why the n word is banned not that I agree with its banishment. Respecting people's feelings via a anonomous medium such as the Internet is an admirable cuase I will concede, but in the end what purpose does it serve? I'm not calling for change but only trying to further understand the thought process.
 
Droppersneck said:
Bardo trust me I understood your point and i am just wondering how you do not think I already know that.
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Because you didn't seem to get my point that all speech should be allowed legally.

The point of discussing this need not be a display of your ability to rattle off blua.
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It does if we can't discern a legal right from a private ordinance in a private place.
 
Droppersneck said:
I said I understand why the n word is banned not that I agree with its banishment.
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no. no you didn't. droppers, it's right there in black and white:
Droppersneck said:
The only word from an Americans view point that has literally only one meaning in its exact spelling is 'nigger' and should be banned as it is vitriol in its purist form.
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your posts are muddled and the fact that you can't even get your own story straight just reinforces the idea that you say stuff just to get a rise.

alasdair
 
i'm pretty sure everyone in the group is african american and they use the word 'nigga' which carries a positive intention behind it, instead of the hateful version 'nigger'.
 
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