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Television The Simpsons

I think it's actually gotten better in the past few series than it has been in quite a few years.

Is it as good as its hey day? No. Is it better than 95% of other tv shows? Yes.
 
^ 95% of television shows are complete and utter shite so that's not really saying much. :\
 
There are so many great animated comedy shows out there now.
Simpsons had it's run. To me it started to go in the 90's.
Pack it up
 
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95% of television shows are complete and utter shite so that's not really saying much.
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Agreed. Also there isn't nearly enough time in the day to watch 1% of television, let alone 5%. So saying, 'well it's better than most of the crap out there' means nothing. We should be watching what we deem to be the top .01%, not the top 5%... right?

I've changed my mind about The Simpsons. They should cancel it. The decent episodes are becoming too far and few apart... and the bad episodes are becoming really bad. I wouldn't be surprised if they hired LOVELIFE as a writer at this point. ;)
 
The decline in the Simpsons has been so drastic that it's not really recognisable anymore

really bad - should be pulled
 
The simpsons are just as old as me, and I've watched them for about 12 years since I was 8. Obviously they aren't the same quality they used to be. I still catch the Sunday episodes if I'm around but I find myself expecting less from each episode. Stil better than the plots of family guy though
 
The day Skinner was revealed to be an imposter, the Simpsons died to me, and took some of my soul with it.

I think half the problem is that they decided long ago to keep everything the same. Bart will always be ten, Lisa will always be eight, Maggie will never speak. But any long running series has to evolve as the actors age, and as it evolves, it creates new stories that keep it fresh.

The Simspsons doesn't have that, and there are only so many stories that you can wring out of the same situation twenty two times a year for twenty years, so the only option the writers have is to become more and more ludicrous. What we should be seeing now, is Lisa jilting Hugh Grant at the altar and Bart working as a male stripper.
 
The Armand Tanzarian episode that you're referring to was great. It was satirizing those moments when shows run out of ideas and start to unbelievably push the boundaries of their characters, etc.

But then they kept using that same satirical device to justify a whole series of bad plot lines and it ended up not being satire, but just being sad.

After fourteen years (I'm not sure what season the fake-Skinner was in but it was probably around then) you can start to make fun of yourself. They've always done so to a certain extent.

But if you're still making the same joke seven years later then it's a bit of a worry.

They should've ended the show when they realized that they couldn't stretch the characters any more.

Instead they stretch them and pretend some kind of in joke.
 
Pull the fucking plug already.

I differentiate between new Simpsons and old Simpsons as if they're different shows.
 
Seasons 4 through ten were brilliant. Every episode was great. I don't even know how any of you can pick a favorite or a top ten even. Whenever I tried, I ended up listing around 490 episodes from that period.

After season ten, there were very few quality episodes. I stopped watching a few years ago.

But the Simpson had a peak that was longer than most shows entire run. And that means it will always be recognized as one of the great shows of all time.
 
I haven't watched it since probably around 2001 or so, as it got less and less funny. But at this point, they might as well keep churning out the epsiodes. It'd be quite a feat if in 2020 there are STILL new eps of The Simpsons.
 
VolcanoPreston said:
I think half the problem is that they decided long ago to keep everything the same. Bart will always be ten, Lisa will always be eight, Maggie will never speak. But any long running series has to evolve as the actors age, and as it evolves, it creates new stories that keep it fresh.

The Simspsons doesn't have that, and there are only so many stories that you can wring out of the same situation twenty two times a year for twenty years, so the only option the writers have is to become more and more ludicrous. What we should be seeing now, is Lisa jilting Hugh Grant at the altar and Bart working as a male stripper.
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I haven't watched any new episodes since, oh, maybe 2007. But it seems to me there will soon come a day when a Season 2 episode is played next to one of the most recent ones, and the characters and situations will be the same, yet at the same time painfully NOT the same anymore. That is to say, they will have come from the same source, but the latter will look like grotesque anachronisms compared to the former.

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Consider the Flintstones. It's set in a fictional time period, so technically they COULD have just continued to make new episodes with new updated situations. But something did get old, and it was the way the characters carried themselves and related to each other. No American fathers are like Fred Flintstone anymore, and increasingly fewer wives and mothers are like Wilma. So audiences just can't relate and get the humor.

There will soon come a point for the Simpsons characters, when they and their fictional home town have been updated so much that they're barely even the same characters anymore, or if allowed to stay the same, they'll look horribly dated. Bart ALREADY looks like an anachronism -- when is the last time any of you guys have had a spiky flattop?

Aren't kids watching the Simpsons and saying to themselves, 'Huh? My world doesn't look like that.' the same way I used to when I saw old Disney cartoons?
 
VolcanoPreston said:
I think half the problem is that they decided long ago to keep everything the same. Bart will always be ten, Lisa will always be eight, Maggie will never speak. But any long running series has to evolve as the actors age, and as it evolves, it creates new stories that keep it fresh.

The Simspsons doesn't have that, and there are only so many stories that you can wring out of the same situation twenty two times a year for twenty years, so the only option the writers have is to become more and more ludicrous. What we should be seeing now, is Lisa jilting Hugh Grant at the altar and Bart working as a male stripper.
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It worked for so long that it's hard to just say, 'okay, NOW they'll start to age.' That would have been THE definitive 'jumped the shark' moment.

Besides, the idea of seeing cartoons age is just . . . awkward.

Changing the show to reflect the age of its characters can also have a negative effect. For example, the Wonder Years just wasn't the same when Kevin Arnold was like damn near twenty years old. The appeal of the show had a lot to do with his young age.
 
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