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The Psychedelic Being

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Laika, I notice that you've conflated Somaeye's 'God is Psychedelics' and eye_wide_open's 'Ancient Aliens' theories in your enjoyably excoriating rant. But do bear in mind that these are conflicting stories. We have two chosen ones in this thread, but there can be only one, right? How to sort this out? Maybe they should both follow this link and take things from there...
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Forgive me, lol. I didn't mean to mix up the two stories, but then again I didn't mean to pay such close attention to this thread anymore after a while.
 
Laika said:
Forgive me, lol. I didn't mean to mix up the two stories, but then again I didn't mean to pay such close attention to this thread anymore after a while.
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Neither did I. But then something changed my mind.
 
^ This could be the beginning of the 'experience' that will land you some friendship with Alien Greys.
 
I hope so. There's nothing like a good, thorough anal probing session. Keeps your mind on your business.
 
Anyone who has read this thread all the way to the end deserves to experience God.
 
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I hope so. There's nothing like a good, thorough anal probing session. Keeps your mind on your business.
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See my theory is that it's more than just probing. What they're doing is plugging you with super galactic RC's that even Earth's most brilliant of chemists with their minds combined would never have been able to think up.
This would explain how some of the posters here are so much farther along in their spiritual journeys than schmucky bottom feeders like us(or at least me, since you're beginning your training now.)

Good luck space cadet. Don't forget about us little guys down here when the pompousness kicks in.
 
When the aliens come and you have to account for your posts in this thread Laika, then you will know fear.
 
Laika said:
Good luck space cadet. Don't forget about us little guys down here when the pompousness kicks in.
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Too late, you're all dead to me already. My new friend Ozmodiar is all I need now - he got me into psychedelic paradise as his plus one. What have you done for me lately?
 
I suppose the most basic means of finding any understanding in this discussion would first be to ask what is the difference between the mind and the brain. Then ask if you believe in souls or anything of that nature, then what you think of things like 'the collective subconscious' and such. Then you could even ask what you think of Maharajji (http://maharajji.com/).

otherwise this is going to continue being a bit of a shitshow probably.
 
You know what you're right, that is a perfectly sensible way to proceed. I'm quite happy to take part in a debate along those lines. The brain/mind question is very interesting, and I think it about it a lot, but I haven't reached any conclusions. I don't think anyone in world knows the answer to that. As for whether or not there is such a thing as a soul, I'm quite happy to pin my colours to the mast and say that I don't believe there is. I'm with the logical positivists in my belief that for a statement to have sense there must, in theory at least, be a means to test it. This excludes all metaphysics at a stroke - including of the idea of a soul. A metaphysical statement is therefore a nonsense statement - that's not meant in an insulting way, it just means the statement literally has no sense.

I don't expect people to agree with this - there are many other philosophical traditions than logical positivism and I respect that people are drawn to them. Heidegger, for example, would accuse the positivists of ignoring the most basic question of all - what is Being? Or, to put it another way - why is there something rather than nothing? There are Eastern philosophical traditions that I find fascinating, even though I ultimately disagree with them.

What I don't like is people insisting that their own private philosophy or cosmology that is based upon neither logic, evidence or tradition is the right one and that everyone else must be wrong. "If you experienced what I've experienced you'd agree with me" is not a valid line of argument. And you don't get to cherry-pick the bits from philosophies, religions, science and culture that seem to support your beliefs and ignore all the bits that don't. There's no reasoning with people who argue like this, they don't give any ground, they never consider that they might be wrong, even in the details. And what you end up with is a shitshow. Not just in this thread, not just on bluelight but everywhere unreasonable people insist they are being perfectly reasonable if you could only see it, you get a massive shitshow.
 
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I suppose the most basic means of finding any understanding in this discussion would first be to ask what is the difference between the mind and the brain. Then ask if you believe in souls or anything of that nature, then what you think of things like 'the collective subconscious' and such. Then you could even ask what you think of Maharajji (http://maharajji.com/).

otherwise this is going to continue being a bit of a shitshow probably.
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I tend to think it is a waste of time to try to have a discussion with someone who can't even admit that "colors and patterns" (seen after ingesting Psychedelics) are Light. To me, it means that the discussion has descended into trying to "win" an argument. As someone who enjoys seeing, and being with the Light, that kind of discussion is not of interest to me.

If a person cannot admit to the most basic and fundamental understandings of Spiritual Reality, what is the purpose of discussing an advanced concept such as the "soul"?
 
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I tend to think it is a waste of time to try to have a discussion with someone who can't even admit that "colors and patterns" (seen after ingesting Psychedelics) are Light.
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What if they saw these colours and patterns in complete darkness with their eyes close, or they were in an isolation tank ?

Not everything can be passed off as just light.

If a person cannot admit to the most basic and fundamental understandings of Spiritual Reality
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what is the basic and fundamental understanding of spiritual reality ?
 
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In my experience, that's the usual way that the (Spiritual) Light is seen.
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ahhh ok, it seems i may have misunderstood what you were saying, apologies if I did, we are after all discussion a phenomena that language often falls far short of being able to accurately describe :)

I do appreciate all points of view and try hard to keep an open mind and to not hold the high ground with my own reasoning.

I think the most honest position I can take is "hell I don't really know" but that does not prevent me from being fascinated and intriged by the content of the psychedelic experience, it sure as hell beats watching tv :)
 
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Somaeye, I suppose the best example I have against your argument is Maharaj-ji.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkmOdbJnMGw

When Richard Alpert went to go visit him in the mid 60s he gave him high dose LSD and it didn't even make his pupils dilate.
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Sonn, that is a symptom of obsessive/compulsive disorder.

This is from "Realms of the Human Unconscious", by Stanislav Grof and Joan Halifax Grof:

"....Among psychiatric patients, severe obsessive-compulsive neurotics are particularly resistant to the effect of LSD. It has been a common observation in my research that such patients can resist dosages of more than 500 micrograms of LSD and show only slight signs of physical or psychological distress. In extreme cases, it can take several dozen high-dose LSD sessions before the psychological resistances of these individuals are reduced ...The excessive resistance of obsessive-compulsive patients can be illustrated by the following clinical example.

"Erwin, a twenty-two-year-old student, was referred to the LSD treatment program after four years of unsuccessful therapy for a severe obsessive-compulsive neurosis. Over the years, he had developed a very complicated system of obsessive thoughts and became so preoccupied with it that it paralyzed all his other activities.....
Erwin manifested a rather spectacular resistance to the effect of LSD. After psychological preparation of two weeks' duration, he started having regular LSD sessions in weekly intervals. The initial dose of 100 micrograms was increased by fifty to one hundred micrograms every week, since he barely showed any response. Finally, he was given 1500 micrograms intramuscularly, with the hope that this would overcome his resistance. Between the second and third hour of the session, when the effect of LSD usually culminates, Erwin felt bored and a little hungry; according to his description as well as external manifestations, nothing unusual was happening. He seemed to be so well composed and in such full control that he was allowed to go with the therapist to a kitchenette on the ward, cut a piece of bread with a knife, open a can of liver paste, and have a snack. After he was finished, he wanted to go to the social room in the ward and play chess, because he felt he needed some distraction from the uneventful and monotonous therapeutic experiment.
It took thirty-eight high-dose sessions before Erwin's defense system was reduced to the point that he started regressing into childhood and reliving traumatic experiences.
 
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