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somaeye said:
I tend to think it is a waste of time to try to have a discussion with someone who can't even admit that "colors and patterns" (seen after ingesting Psychedelics) are Light. To me, it means that the discussion has descended into trying to "win" an argument. As someone who enjoys seeing, and being with the Light, that kind of discussion is not of interest to me.

If a person cannot admit to the most basic and fundamental understandings of Spiritual Reality, what is the purpose of discussing an advanced concept such as the "soul"?
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How ridiculous. You've basically just said that I experience your conception of "Light" and understand your conception of "the most basic and fundamental understandings of Spiritual Reality" but won't admit it because I don't want to concede the argument.

webbykevin sees the value of honest doubt, an admirable quality which you would do well to learn. As I said in my post, I don't think that my beliefs are right necessarily, but like it or not they're just as valid and deeply held as yours. They do not include "Light" as you see it - it's not that I won't admit it, it it's that I genuinely don't believe it. Your assertion that I only purport to disagree with you in order to win a debate is offensive and I think you should take it back.
 
somaeye said:
The fact is, Ismene, that the God that Christ, Moses, Zeus, etc., worshiped was Psychedelics.
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I think you're a little ways from the truth. I believe what we perceived as god, christ, moses, muhammad, zeus, chronos, etc. were originally created in the image of our inner souls. Yes i believe "god" lives within us all, individually and collectively and that when these religious texts were created, they were created through immense introspections and the truths found in result of these. If you were to look far enough within yourself you will find a higher power, the roots morality and perception, our psyche, and even your "demons" and angels. The bible is all just a metaphor to explain your higher self.

Similar truths are found via use of introspection aided by psychedelics. Just because the 2 share the same truths does not mean that 1 caused the other. I can't imagine any psychedelics being around 2000 years ago. It would be idiotic to just assume so
 
Lost Ego said:
I can't imagine any psychedelics being around 2000 years ago. It would be idiotic to just assume so
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Wow. So all those people attending the rights at Eleusis were just having nettle tea and biscuits, and the soma mentioned in the vedas was a placebo.

good job you straightened that out for us.
 
Seeing as the rites were kept secret, how exactly do we know what went on and whether they were tripping? All the evidence I've read about it sounds about as convincing as the Da Vinci Code.
 
I don't think any of these religious leaders we're tripping as we know it today. If they were taking psychedelics than they would have been doing it in a divine and ceremonial fashion.


Don't make the very foolish mistake of thinking that psychedelics are the only way to achieve these revelations however... there are many ways to achieve enlightenment. Personally, I think no one can tell you how to get to God. You people trying to describe your ideas of God and the afterlife are just as useless to me as listening to a Catholic priest go on and on about hell.


The only way you can learn is to make that progress yourself. On my last mushroom trip... I became more religious that I have ever been in my life.. and this was during a time where I was struggling for my soul. I went through hell during that trip... I fought off the evil that had been trying to take over my soul and had an almost DMT like experience where I was filled with the guidance of the Creator... that guidance has stuck with me since then, it is not anywhere near as clear as it was right after the trip when I could simply think of anything and come to a complete understanding of it... but it is still with me each and every day.
 
Ismene said:
Seeing as the rites were kept secret, how exactly do we know what went on and whether they were tripping? All the evidence I've read about it sounds about as convincing as the Da Vinci Code.
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We know enough about them to know that something was going on, you should do more reading and less history channel.
 
great books!!! i loved carlos castaneda when i was growing up!!! i remember wondering about the hour of power for ages, facing the west or whatever it was when the sunsets...

great great books imo more fiction than non fiction though hey?
 
I don't see a possible excistance of a god, active or dormant, frankly.
And as much as I enjoy psycadelics and do believe they can act as(at the right damn time) as : guidance, cleansing, escape if needed and a giver of new ideas and perspectives. In the end, it's all about you yourself and how you intend to use this for your future searchings.

Basic point of view: in the end its all about you and your everday thinking and doin' and keeping your eyes open for the signs/signals/appearances that I do believe are there and the logical way to go for further progress/findings. So much out there is cyclic and the patterns and us noticing them are key.

Just my humble view!:) sorry about my third-language english, bare with me hehe. Good thread folks!
 
webbykevin said:
Because there is no such thing.
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That's something that can be said, I find it a very depressing outlook on life, but I won't talk down to you because of it.



webbykevin said:
That's just an idea you had whilst tripping on mushrooms, next time you may come away thinking something totally different.
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Is it? Because those same ideas have been coming to people for thousands and thousands of years my friend. This didn't come out of one trip, in fact before this I had a horrible LSD trip where it almost felt as if my soul had been taken over by evil.... the next mush trip cleansed out all of that and got me back on the right track, where I wanted to be. The two trips were directly related... in fact, they all probably are.



Now these are just my experiences, so they mean nothing to you guys, obviously... but personally, I find psychedelics to be a very religious experience. Each trip has taught me something about myself, or the universe... meditation has always been very important for me to get these kind of revelations though.



I don't think psychedelics are the only answer though, they just happen to be a very easy one. You can reach the same depths of your mind that you can get into on psychedelics if you're sober... it's going to take a lot more dedication obviously, but it's certainly possible.
 
webbykevin said:
Because there is no such thing.
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That's the beauty of it, you realize there is nothing beyond yourself, thus collapsing the illusion of separation and becoming witness to your own infinite awareness.

Everything is a reflection of your self; you are exactly what your looking for.
 
Folley said:
On my last mushroom trip... I became more religious that I have ever been in my life.. and this was during a time where I was struggling for my soul. I went through hell during that trip... I fought off the evil that had been trying to take over my soul
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Would be interested to hear what the "evil" was that was trying to "take over your soul" -- or, could you be more specific as to what was happening?
 
somaeye said:
Would be interested to hear what the "evil" was that was trying to "take over your soul" -- or, could you be more specific as to what was happening?
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Well lol... it's a rather odd tale.



I could tell the whole story, but it's quite embarrassing and personal... dealing with my parent's divorce on an already very bad and unmanageable trip sent me into a hellish downward spiral though, as I'm sure you could imagine.


Basically, I saw my father standing over me (he was not at the time, but it was an EXTREMELY vivid hallucination )... then his figured morphed into, well, into Satan. I was looking directly at the Prince of Darkness, and he had manifested himself in my Father... FUCK.

That's not even the scariest part. Satan (or one of his demons that are among us on Earth) reached out to me, said "I have your soul..", tapped me playfully on the nose and disappeared. Obviously, this freaked me the FUCK out... I said out loud "OH SHIT, the devil has my Dad!" and continued having extremely vivid visuals that were centered around Life vs Death... Light vs Dark, God vs Satan.

and that time... it felt like Satan had won. I ended up being held down on a table and injected with benzos to calm me down (it did), so I felt like I was unable to fully understand what that hellish trip was TRYING to teach me. For a few weeks after that, I felt scared and lost.. I felt like my soul had been taken over you see!



Well, then a few weeks later comes my mushroom trip... 3 grams with a lot of Dark Chocolate (slight MAOI effect, that's important later)


Well, I had taken some pepto bismal before hand, and I feel like that REALLY messed up the digestion of them.. for the first 3-4 hours I had a HORRIBLE body load and felt tired and heavy. I was almost ready to freak out again I felt so bad, and I wasn't even getting any psychedelic effects from the shrooms... well like 4 hours after I eat them, I put on some headphones to ease my mind... this makes me feel a lot better, and within a 10 minutes, I felt like I was in a DMT experience

It started really by me seeing a giant pyramid with an eye at the top (a major theme of the last one was the Illuminati, and that is their symbol)... well I raise my hand as a gun, and "pull the trigger", shattering the pyramid and instantly sending me into a full body experience..


I was having INTENSE visuals, like seeing blue eyes all around me, just watching... and my body was convulsing in pure euphoria... it was nothing short of a ++++. It was like God had reached out his hand of mercy after going through such a hellish experience, instantly saving me from the hell that was all around me.


After this DMT like experience that lasted roughly 30 minutes or so, I spent the next few hours simply ruminating on my life, and the universe. I have never felt more clear than I have at that time... I could figure the answer to any of life's questions with just a little thought... it was such a pure, holy feeling that filled me... I really didn't like shrooms any more before that, and wasn't planning on doing them again, but after that experience I have little hesitation to try a very high dose (something like 5 grams of potent cubensis..), I'll just make sure I have some MDMA on hand to keep me positive.




These are just my experiences... so they probably mean little to nothing to you. But you can NEVER take them away from me. Remember that ;)
 
Folley said:
Well lol... it's a rather odd tale.



I could tell the whole story, but it's quite embarrassing and personal... dealing with my parent's divorce on an already very bad and unmanageable trip sent me into a hellish downward spiral though, as I'm sure you could imagine.
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Was this also Mushrooms -- or were there other substances?
 
Folley said:
Don't make the very foolish mistake of thinking that psychedelics are the only way to achieve these revelations
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I don't know what you are calling "revelations" but my belief and understanding is that Psychedelics are the only true God. So if you are looking for a revelation from God, then They are the only way to achieve that. You can either ingest Them or you can physically die - either way you come into Their Presence.


"If it was God's wisdom that human wisdom should not know God, it was because God wanted to save those who have faith through the foolishness of the message that we preach....For God's foolishness is wiser then human wisdom, and God's weakness is stronger than human strength "
-- St. Paul (1 Corinthians, 1, 21)
 
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somaeye said:
I don't know what you are calling "revelations" but my belief and understanding is that Psychedelics are the only true God. So if you are looking for a revelation from God, then They are the only way to achieve that. You can either ingest Them or you can physically die - either way you come into Their Presence.


"If it was God's wisdom that human wisdom should not know God, it was because God wanted to save those who have faith through the foolishness of the message that we preach....For God's foolishness is wiser then human wisdom, and God's weakness is stronger than human strength "
-- St. Paul (1 Corinthians, 1, 21)
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Interesting stuff, no doubt. I'm still waiting for that apology, what's the hold up?
 
somaeye said:
Was this also Mushrooms -- or were there other substances?
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Oh my bad, that was on an underestimated dose of very potent LSD drops. That's why I'm so pissed I wasted it lol


Personally, I don't think psychedelics are the only solution at all. They are merely a tool to reach the inner parts of your mind that are buried in the subconscious that are covered up by the everyday bull shit of modern life.


People can reach those same states of mind without taking drugs... there are many ways... meditation, yoga, drumming, music, prayer..... psychedelics are just like a cheat code to reach those states of mind easily. But beware... being a cheater has it's downfalls.
 
somaeye said:
"If it was God's wisdom that human wisdom should not know God, it was because God wanted to save those who have faith through the foolishness of the message that we preach....For God's foolishness is wiser then human wisdom, and God's weakness is stronger than human strength "
-- St. Paul (1 Corinthians, 1, 21)
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Why do you keep spouting off all that shit ?

Don't you have any original thoughts or ideas instead of just regurgitating all that nonsense ?
 
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