I never said it was easy... I know I wouldn’t be able to take my own life.
But the fear factor is strong in a lot of people that do commit suicide. That is an obvious observation and they have resistance to life because they are too individualized and stuck in a mental loop of torment so they do not see the full picture and they don’t have the motivation to fully connect with their fellow man. That’s why most of them are isolated peoples. They fear outside stimuli and criticism.
Their ego has most of the control. And the ego self is rampant with fear given its evolutionary fight or flight response. Whether we are aware of that fear or not. We have fear and resistance toward one or many aspects of physical life until we feel like the only way to avoid that is to escape into the abyss.
My arguments are based on first-hand experiences, anecdots and various litterature, aswell as alot of psychedelic journeys into the abyss.
They're sprung out of affect; the worst arguments often are, so I expect no-one to agree.
I agree fear is a strong factor but in an alll-together different way. I'm gonna cheat and use some qoutes from the movie/script
"Sunset Limitied" by Cormac McCarthy.
If you haven't seen it or read the manuscript, do it. I have the script at hand to mail, if you want. Two men arguing for life and against life, Samuel Jackson and T- Lee. Such great movie, and even better script. Anyways.
"Banish the fear of death from men's hearts and they wouldn't live a day. Who would want this nightmare but for fear of the next?"
Do you agree with this? If you'd remove the fear of death, just for a day, I'm sure the bodies would stack unto heaven all over.
It might be confirmation-bias, but as I read more and more psychology, I'm certain this drive, the prospect of death, knowing we will die one die, drives all our other actions and thoughts.
I agree that alot of people, very tragically, commit suicide in desperation, fear, anxiety - this is a tragedy.
I know I come off as paradoxal, but hey, aren't we all?
The only connection with my fellow man is our suffering; we might share similar hobbies, interests, political views, have come to the same conclusion regarding the meaning of life;
but nothing weighs as heavy as
our fellowship of suffering.
That's where we connect.
Isolation, I think, is a big part of the solution.
I've never felt more sane than when I had no one around to compare myself with; never have I felt such relief from other negative emotions as when I've spent periods alone (up to two months without a single conversation; lovely).
Isolation also deals with the ego; it strips it apart, to pieces, fragments. What is ego but our insercurities on how we perceive ourselves and others do?
The ego demands an audience. Isolation offers none.
I agree with what you say about the ego, but replace "ego" with "death-anxiety", which results in cosmic panic, and if you get past that, futilitiy.
Suicide is a virus that spreads throughout humanity and gets you to self destruct so that your talents and abilities won’t be shared with the world.
I think this is what drives people into depression, anxiety, and suicide; the fact that we put such weight on
talents, abilities, legacy.
Personally, I think the meaning of life has nothing to do with sharing talents or abilities. It's simply about finding a path where the light barely conquers the dark, like hummingbirds in cole-mines.
Still, society tells us to rush, to hurry; we're being overflooded by expectations, by the coma that's fame, the new gods who aren't metaphysichal but plastic, golden, metallic.
I do honestly believe that in any intelligent person (I'm not talking IQ or EQ or some shit here), suicide is a constant splinter in the back of their minds.
It's a failing of defense-mechanism against the world; you're no longer able to paint rainbows over tarpits, polish shit into gold.
You've looked behind the veil, and you get stuck, because nothing can offer up any arguments against that realization.
- ..you saying everybody that just ain't eat up with the dumb-ass ought to be suicidal.
- Yes.
- You ain't shitting me?
- No, I am not shitting you. If people could see the world for what it truly is, see their lives for what they truly are -
without dreams or illusions - I don't believe they could offer the first reason why they should not elect to die
as soon as possible.
It’s a mind game put on by socialization and mind control. I’m not saying that there aren’t people out there who genuinely feel like killing themselves is the best possible choice but that’s still an illusion. And that’s still the minority.
You mean suicide is a mind game, or a form of mind control? Why is it an illusion? What makes life so sanctified?
I think it all depends on your whole life-view. I have no certain theories about life and meaning, but the big bounce, the eternal return or recurrence, which is so far partly confirmed by the latest Planck-data and other studies, suggests there's a curvature in the universe, which would indicate an enclosed universe. Expanding, contracting, expanding, contracting -forever.
That is my nightmare, and that is unfortunately what my mind believes in, whether I like it or not. I'd love to be religious; to be idealistic. But, like I said, suicide is not a trait of mine. I'm far to narcissitic.
The real problem is the teens and young adults who grow up in the social media age that was built off the back of the suicidal maniacs of the 90s and that whole generation x business that led up to the suicide of Kurt cobain and the death of others. That’s a different disease and will only get worse if we are not fully aware of the source.
I thinks what you're describing is a sort enlightenment, which is not always a happy ending. More and more young adults deciedes not to have kids; anyone who blames clearly hasn't been paying attention to the world in the past 20 years.
Jeez, I've got a niece and fuck, what are we handing her? We've wrecked this blue dot of life. One species butt-fucked an entire echosystem. There will always be copycat-suicides.
When the book "
The Sorrows of Young Werther (
Die Leiden des jungen Werthers)" by Goethe was released, authorities feared copycat-suicides.
People who are truly committed to saving the enviroment should have one goal and one goal only; the extinction of man.
Not as in murder; but as in STOP HAVING FUCKING BABIES.
Went a bit OT, sorry.
But, yeah, suicide and death is tricky. I can't say much, if anything, with certain, but
this I believe through my entire being, from the hair on my arms to the dust in my bones;
people who get mad or disappointed or subbornly tries to talk someone out of suicide, is an egotistical ****.