Misc The Pain Management Mega Thread version 3.0

[Doomed2pain]

Hopefully tomorrow

 

[BiggDirty01]

OMFG! The imaging center only copied half my CT scan on the CD for my neurosurgeon appointment today! These fucking assholes kept me waiting 90 minutes to do the scan and the dipshit tech didn't even bother to check the disc to make sure it was all there!

As a result, all my neurosurgeon could do is to order an MRI, which I will do on friday. I am just so frustrated that I had to make the 45 minute there-and-back to beverly hills and the 40 minutes of waiting for the doc to come into my exam room. It takes a great deal of energy for me to make anything but a short trip and my back just does not agree with sitting in uncomfortable waiting and exam room chairs and long car rides.

Phew! That's all, just needed to vent as I am very frustrated right now and since I've been informed by my docs to not smoke cigs as interferes with healing, I don't have that crutch to lean on in frustration. I am so glad to have you guys and your support. I truly appreciate it.

 

[Jktm]

Anyone know of some good ways to break the time release of Endo brand 30mg green MS-contins? I've heard water and soaking for 12 hours, but i need pain relief now, and the 30mg of klonopin isn't helping atm...I'm on butrans 20 as well which is about equal to 80mg morphine/day and I'm wanting to take 30-60mg IR...I've been thinking 30 IR and 30 ER, but I need a way with common household chemicals to do so and the sooner the answer the better, I just need to know if I need to take the 60 ER, but the kpins have me to the point to where I feel a little sleepy...about as sleepy as diphenhydramine when it actually works...I can drive better than normal (I'm not all raged out speed racer), and it's giving me a large dose of don't give a fuck, which I really, really need the way the past few days have gone...

Could I just soak with water and shoot it after wiping down the pills with iso-prople, or would they "gel up"

not trying to make this an ER answer quick thread, but quick responses would be greatly appreciated.

Gonna re-post this as a specific thread as well so as to maximize volume of readers...know it's a little against the rules, but please work with me...by the pain patient not wanting to help a "high seeker" for lack of better words...I'm starting to have a panic attack at 30mg kpin...how does that work? too much pain? or is it too much drug? cause I never really got high off it...

 

[HaZeX]

Did you really take 30mg of clonazepam? If so don't take ANYTHING ELSE!, take the patch off.

 

[Jktm]

I've handled doses of morphine up to 100mg, .5mg halion, and N₂O, I've also taken 200mg of morphine at once with more than 400mg of tramadol (another 65mg equiv to morphine) and been just fine...was just dope sick next day...

while that's not 30 mg of klonopin, I had a recent binge where I went through 53mg in 3 days while on the same patch and did fine...was sober by end of it...like I said...not trying to get high...trying to get relief...and if you were going to suggest it, I can't vomit the clonaz...it was all sublingualled and it was over the course of 8 hours...the first 10mg are wearing off as it is...

my respiriations are well over 45/min, I've got my twitchy leg issue I have with anxiety, and the only side effect I'm having is slight somnolence...I'm starting to have the effects of my anxiety...

 

[HaZeX]

Honestly, I dont feel safe giving you any other advice than not to take anymore opiates/opioids until the clonazepam is out of you. I know its hard for us with CP. But Im kinda lost on what to tell you...Sorry.

Maybe someone else would like to give it you, but I wouldn't want your OD on my shoulders should I give advice.

 

[Jktm]

Please man, I'm dying over here, can't go to ER...already got one MS-Contin smashed in my pill smasher...will you at least tell me how to do that one if I swallow the other one whole?

 

[tricomb]

I feel awful tonight. My pain is at a 9 and my head is just pure messed up from not having my anti psychotics for a week. I wish it would stop

You are in my thoughts tonight

OMFG! The imaging center only copied half my CT scan on the CD for my neurosurgeon appointment today! These fucking assholes kept me waiting 90 minutes to do the scan and the dipshit tech didn't even bother to check the disc to make sure it was all there!

As a result, all my neurosurgeon could do is to order an MRI, which I will do on friday. I am just so frustrated that I had to make the 45 minute there-and-back to beverly hills and the 40 minutes of waiting for the doc to come into my exam room. It takes a great deal of energy for me to make anything but a short trip and my back just does not agree with sitting in uncomfortable waiting and exam room chairs and long car rides.

Phew! That's all, just needed to vent as I am very frustrated right now and since I've been informed by my docs to not smoke cigs as interferes with healing, I don't have that crutch to lean on in frustration. I am so glad to have you guys and your support. I truly appreciate it.

I am so fucking glad to hear you're quitting cancer, it's not easy but we can do it! I'm currently cancer-free for over 2 weeks!!! There's no withdrawals (for me anyways, I've never got WD from nicotine even as a very heavy smoker) all you have to worry about is the INSANE cravings, so you should be sure to avoid things that trigger cravings, for example, alcohol, excessive doses of opioids, hanging out around other smokers, etc.

Anyone know of some good ways to break the time release of Endo brand 30mg green MS-contins? I've heard water and soaking for 12 hours, but i need pain relief now, and the 30mg of klonopin isn't helping atm...I'm on butrans 20 as well which is about equal to 80mg morphine/day and I'm wanting to take 30-60mg IR...I've been thinking 30 IR and 30 ER, but I need a way with common household chemicals to do so and the sooner the answer the better, I just need to know if I need to take the 60 ER, but the kpins have me to the point to where I feel a little sleepy...about as sleepy as diphenhydramine when it actually works...I can drive better than normal (I'm not all raged out speed racer), and it's giving me a large dose of don't give a fuck, which I really, really need the way the past few days have gone...

Could I just soak with water and shoot it after wiping down the pills with iso-prople, or would they "gel up"

not trying to make this an ER answer quick thread, but quick responses would be greatly appreciated.

Gonna re-post this as a specific thread as well so as to maximize volume of readers...know it's a little against the rules, but please work with me...by the pain patient not wanting to help a "high seeker" for lack of better words...I'm starting to have a panic attack at 30mg kpin...how does that work? too much pain? or is it too much drug? cause I never really got high off it...

I wrote a guide on this, it takes 12 hours, and I do not feel comfortable advising you while you are on so much clonazepam, I think you'll get better replies in your other thread, so I think you should finish this discussion in that thread, it's not really on topic here. I realize that you're in pain and are trying to stop the pain, but the most important thing here is that we keep you safe, and I don't think that teaching you to break the time release on morphine is the best idea at this point in time.

As for why you're still getting panic attacks at 30mg? In my opinion, clonazepam is a shitty drug, very very weak, despite what conversion charts say. It does nothing for me either, literally nothing. A Listerine strip is twice as effective for anxiety. I'm just throwing it out there.... diet and exercise.

If you need pain relief right now, you kind of fucked yourself over by taking such an excessive amount of Klonopin

 

[Jktm]

been working on the diet...I'm just so impulsive...I start to get anxious I go for food/pills...same with pain...I dunno what to do...I'm writhing in pain, would they not just administer ativan morphine or dilaudid anway?

I just need 30 IR...that's like 3 vicodin, that ain't gonna do shit for me...I weight over 235lbs...

I dunno what else I'm supposed to do...take more k-pin? I can't take my lyrica I got just enough for my PM appt. plz, someone help me...his pain is doing more dmg to me mentally than the drugs would do physically...sorry for the multi-posts, plz, if you don't mind tricomb, merging these, too anxious to do so myself...I can barely get from one post to the next...my heart-rate is through the roof as well as my blood pressure, those are signs of distress from pain...plz help me...

I just need 30 IR...that's like 3 vicodin, that ain't gonna do shit for me...I weight over 235lbs...

just need it to get into my system within 30 minutes...

like, I'm almost to the point of wanting to go to the ER, but they're not gonna help me, so please help me, you're the one solution I got that understands me...

Would anyone be able to point me into the direction of a site that helps...other than rehabs you smartass fucking trolls (here come rehab links)...

plz help before I melt the shit down in water?

 

[tricomb]

Hey man I can see your in pain, I really want to help you so bad, I want to take your pain away. Don't you worry for one second about multiple-posting, that's the last thing I want you worried about, okay?

This is really hard for me, I can't advise you take morphine man, I just could never live with myself. I don't care how much you weigh man, I am trying to keep you alive and I refuse to take chances and tell you to go ahead with the morphine, I do not believe that is the best course of action. I would not let a friend do this, therefore I will do everything in my power to convince you this is the wrong thing to do. For the love of God man, please don't do this at home. If you're in pain and have already taken 30mg clonazepam, you need professional medical attention.

I'm not sure what they'd do at the hospital since you've taken so much benzodiazepines, but at least there they could give you narcotics in a controlled environment and monitor your breathing. I urge you to go to the ER if you're in this much pain. You know I love ya doug, I really really really hope you see that I care about you and am trying to do the right thing to keep you safe.

 

[Doomed2pain]

I agree with tri. Hospital as breaking the release wouldnt help on top of all that anyway.

 

[Thanatos]

They could possibly induce a benzodiazepine antagonist to blockade the massive amounts of clonazepam you ingested. It might make you go into instant withdrawal so be prepared for the fight of your life Ben if they give you IV Lorazepam to counteract the instant withdrawal. They will administer a proper amount of an opiod to stabilize you. Your life is at stake, please do not take any medication without professional monitoring/assistance.

 

[illmantos]

I finally got an appointment for neurosurgeon and all he did was reccomend an MRI, and Physical therapy.

 

[Doomed2pain]

Illmantos have you tried physio? It can be very helpful, if i didn't do my exercises everyday i would have no movement in my affected areas at all.

 

[HaZeX]

Hey Jktm, I wish you would reply and let us know you got through the night ok.

 

[SydneyGal]

Good to know, and thanks for the tips...I hope I'm not on these patches long...I can already see a bad trend of up and down being on this 7-day patch...it's like day 3 hits, it peaks, and then I slowly start to become more and more miserable until mid-late day 2 of the next patch...so it's like I get 2-3 good days and 4-5 bad days...and that won't do...how the fuck do I go to school like that...I can't help that my new patch day is fridays lol...

I've been on BuTrans 20 for almost 4 years & they do take a while to get used to. After a while the up and down stops; you kinda have little reservoirs of the drug left in the last few spots your patches have been, and since they're all releasing a little into your bloodstream, it makes the overall supply really steady. First few weeks on BuTrans were some of the most miserable of my life (esp. week 1 & 2) but once my body got used to them, they're great. Though YMMV, of course.

 

[smokemctoke420]

Damn jktm, thats sorta fucked up but you might wanna hit a hospital. Also for future refernce google is your friend

 

[SydneyGal]

I have been in your shoes and let me tell you that bringing my issues and meds to gatherings of friends eventually cause friends to become annoyed and turned off to the persistence "whining" and if your friends are likewise pot smoking and recreational drug users your meds become an object of jealousy and/or resentment. I advise you keep your pain issues and medications within a bubble of family, physicians and close friends who will not judge or become annoyed by hearing about your issues. Even if you feel like you don't bombard them with your pain problems it may be likely interpreted in the wrong manner.

I'm new to the forum but a long-time CP patient (really messed up, scarred, stuck together internal organs) and I think it helps to just accept that after having crappy health for a while, the only friends you'll have left are your true friends -- the few people you can rely on through literally anything. Which stings a bit, but it's also great to know who the people you can really count on are, and not waste time and energy on all the others.

Also, I carry a small purse with me everywhere, and a couple days' worth of meds are always in there, usually in a tiny zip purse (or currently, in a zipped compartment). I usually get mine dispensed in sheets and just cut them down so I've just got a few pills in their bubbles. The few that I get in bottles, I sometimes move to little plastic bags & just clearly label the outside with the medication, strength & who prescribed it for me, just in case. Makes me feel like Winona Ryder, always having a whole heap of pills in my bag!

But seriously, carrying small quantities and carrying them discretely has been essential for me; I do need to have antihistamines, anti-nausea meds and pain pills on me at all times for flare-ups, but the fewer people know about it, the better. So my advice to Jktm is, become 'the man bag guy'; find a bag you like & take it everywhere with you, and just keep your meds hidden in that; no need to tell people why you're so attached to your bag. Or as a guy, you might find that you can fit a big enough zippered purse in a pocket to keep enough of your meds in there. Not ideal keeping them an body temp, but as long as you're cycling through them quickly, it should be OK. Good luck!

ETA: Oh, and people who don't know me well still take it as 'whining' when I calmly state that my pain levels are up that day, which to me is just statement of fact. I don't expect or even want sympathy, am just warning them that I'll be moving slower and having trouble concentrating that day, so bear with me when I lag behind, drop things, and have to ask the same question twice before it sticks. But people take it the wrong way, so mostly I don't say anything at all, if I can possibly 'pass' as 'normal' that day. Shouldn't have to, but it is what it is.

 

[SydneyGal]

Am having a crappy day; out of BuTrans patches and having to ration out bupe tablets, so in way more pain than I want to be. But will take some more soon so I can go swimming this evening, cos that helps so much with the pain it's worth extra tablet for. Although should maybe eat something before then.

Posted another general thread asking for advice about anything OTC that will increase the effects or duration of bupe tablets to help me make them last 'til I have other meds again; if anyone has tips on making bupe last would really appreciate it.

 

[tricomb]

I don't go anywhere without my oxycodone script in my pocket, and carry a backpack with the rest of my scripts and laptop and stuff.

I take some oxycodone out of the big 100 count mallinckrodt bottle and carry them in the standard smaller orange oxycodone bottle that the pharmacy uses, it fits like 60 oxys comfortably, and this way I can keep much better track of my consumption and "budget" my pills better.