I am a chronic pain patient. I got myself in quite the hole. i have been using fentanyl spray 1000mcg 19 times a day. I dropped that down from 35. I went through hell last time I went cold turkey and wont do that again. Going to a treatment center is not an option. I have access to suboxone and I am scared to death of preanticipated withdrawls. Should I continue my taper down to like 10 sprays a day then jump off with subs? Any advice appreciated.
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kleinerkiffer
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^You should taper a lot as fentanyl is extremely powerful and buprenorphine is only a partial agonist, meaning that if you're on a high dose of fentanyl no dosage of bupe will completely hold you.
10 sprays = 10 mg , right ? Fentanyl is around 120 times more potent than morphine so 10 mg * 120 = 1200 mg morphine
Bupe is around 30-40 times more potent than morphine, so 1200/35 = around 34 mg bupe
Imo you should taper down more than that as bupe has a ceiling of around 30 mg or less
10 sprays = 10 mg , right ? Fentanyl is around 120 times more potent than morphine so 10 mg * 120 = 1200 mg morphine
Bupe is around 30-40 times more potent than morphine, so 1200/35 = around 34 mg bupe
Imo you should taper down more than that as bupe has a ceiling of around 30 mg or less
kleinerkiffer
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^No problem
You can do it!
Maybe switch to something like methadone first, taper down to like 30mg methadone and then switch to bupe if you want to ?
But keep in mind that high doses of methadone can be bad for your heart (Q/T prolongiation)
You can do it!
Maybe switch to something like methadone first, taper down to like 30mg methadone and then switch to bupe if you want to ?
But keep in mind that high doses of methadone can be bad for your heart (Q/T prolongiation)
Yes as a matter of fact all I ever want to do is lay down in bed. It's hard to get to sleep but once I do the withdrawals are gone for a short period, which is usually my main goal-to fall asleep. I have trouble tossing and turning, restless leg syndrome, my clothes feel too tight even when they're not, loud noises irritate me, basically everything you could think of. I don't want to be bothered by anyone unless they have a remedy to help me feel back to normal. The worst experience was when I checked myself into an impatient rehab and was stuck there detoxing off suboxone for 30 days. And no, it never stopped! I didn't know at the time excersize was very beneficial, but even still it was hard for me to even get out of bed. I refused to go to the manditory groups, I rarely ate lunch or dinner, I passed on showers, you get the point. I felt like a 90 year old woman. I have been on Suboxone for eight years now and it's been a nightmare. I have a three year old and I'm a stay at home mom so when I run out I feel so bad for her bc I can barely move and keep her entertained. It's like the bare minimum. On a brighter note, all the things I've been reading on Kratom has certainly caught my attention, so I ordered 5 ounces off a really good vendor's website (Kraken Kratom) and just got it this afternoon. I ran out of subs and couldn't afford the refill so I had to resort to my old pal H. I did that and then waited about four hours and tried four grams of a red strained Kratom powder called Super Indu. My tolerance is super duper high so I wouldn't say I feel so much high as I do zonked out like I need to go to bed. I will say I've had no cravings for suboxone even during my waiting period between the H and the Kratom. Today was a good day for me bc I did not put any piece of suboxone under my tongue. It feels like I broke a cycle and I would be so blessed if it stayed this way. For us long time suboxone/methadone/opiate users one day without taking it is a huge accomplishment. Whether you're suffering or not, it's a step in the right direction. I would love to help people get off this stuff and break free of these chains whenever I do this myself. I wouldn't wish those long drawn out withdrawals on my worst enemy...who knew a human being could feel so much pain and suffering from self induced past mistakes.
Ps: I do recommend those of you long term or short term users trying to quit to go get a few ounces of Kratom and try it. I don't know if I'm allowed to post vendors here so to help you out just go to google and type in too 3 online Kratom vendors. One of them has "Happy" in their title. That's the number one vendor so far. The one I used was very inexpensive and good quality and showed up as number 2 on the top vendors list in the US. Also the red strains are said to help most with opiate withdrawal. We're all in this together so let's help one another out please. Best of Luck.
Ps: I do recommend those of you long term or short term users trying to quit to go get a few ounces of Kratom and try it. I don't know if I'm allowed to post vendors here so to help you out just go to google and type in too 3 online Kratom vendors. One of them has "Happy" in their title. That's the number one vendor so far. The one I used was very inexpensive and good quality and showed up as number 2 on the top vendors list in the US. Also the red strains are said to help most with opiate withdrawal. We're all in this together so let's help one another out please. Best of Luck.
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P0kemama
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Can anyone please give me advice on how to get prescribed clonidine for opiate withdrawals? I have tried PCP, Urgent Care and called two different addiction psychiatrists (who aren't accepting any new clients). I cannot get through the physical withdrawals w/o it; I see my pain management doctor next week but am afraid to ask him as I think he may either cut me off w/o comfort meds or send me for suboxone, which is overkill. I am so tired of failing at tapering and the opiates have "turned" on me... causing headaches since my last w/d attempt. I am either in slight w/d or getting headaches... life is not good.
I don't know the website but I've heard of people who order things online like clonopin, tramadol, gabapentin, etc. whatever to get you through. My doctor prescribed me all that stuff. That stuff is not rare on the street either, you have to put the word out because people don't advertise they have it because few people want it.
I know what you mean, kicking dope and going to doctor it was like suboxone was the automatic fix, no other options on the table, no talk of drugs to help kick the heroin I was already withdrawing from.
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P0kemama
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JJ: Thanks for your post... I will definitely check those ideas out. Your reply helped me not feel so hopeless. Doctors are so ignorant. Did you kick H without any comfort meds?
Nah, I've never officially kicked H.
I've only kicked Suboxone @ 2mg and .25mg jumps. I did use comfort meds and they did help, but I started to get dependent on gabapentin by the end, which isn't kicking dope but is still annoying.
I have a friend who kicked H (1g a day when not broke) and methadone (10mg per day) by smoking lots of weed and being motivated to quit. Obviously the first week sucks but after that he says it's a mental battle and smoking mad weed was his cure.
Worst case scenario and a doctor insists on prescribing you to 12mg of sub a day. Just immediately start out at 2mg or whatever gets you by and immediately taper and go through the motions for a little bit with your doctor and tell them that you're ready to quit and then they will give you the meds you want. Not the immediate results you want, but if all else fails at least you will eventually get there.
I've only kicked Suboxone @ 2mg and .25mg jumps. I did use comfort meds and they did help, but I started to get dependent on gabapentin by the end, which isn't kicking dope but is still annoying.
I have a friend who kicked H (1g a day when not broke) and methadone (10mg per day) by smoking lots of weed and being motivated to quit. Obviously the first week sucks but after that he says it's a mental battle and smoking mad weed was his cure.
Worst case scenario and a doctor insists on prescribing you to 12mg of sub a day. Just immediately start out at 2mg or whatever gets you by and immediately taper and go through the motions for a little bit with your doctor and tell them that you're ready to quit and then they will give you the meds you want. Not the immediate results you want, but if all else fails at least you will eventually get there.
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kleinerkiffer
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Sorry, but this is against the rules
P0kemama
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Klein: I apologize.
AnnaBanana333
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I'm sorry, I haven't read this entire post, but do people use Imodium successfully for withdrawal?
kleinerkiffer
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Yes, a few mg can stop the shits
It stops more than the shits for me. It also keeps me from rapid fire sneezing and my nose running like a water fall. I also notice my aches and pains are not as bad as normal.
Hi.
I'm asking for help.
I'm trying to kick an addiction from codeine. The most I take is 300mg a day, and in a week I skip 1 to 3 days.
With some OTC stuff wich contain 120mg codethyline 120mg codeine, I am able to stay without any problem at 240mg codeine/codethyline. (I hope codethyline is as strong as codeine and not stronger :/ )
Can someone describe me a good taper plan ? I'm able to stay ~35h without the product with not going that much sick, so take into account I can skip days but for skipping 1 day I need 2 consecutive days of dosing (and I prefer keeping my schedule of skipping some days because I don't want withdrawaling from 8 consecutive weeks of intake).
help
this drug is fucking my life I know I'm not into hardcore addiction but that's really annoying
Ive no idea how hard it will be. Last time I tried, I kicked after 1 complete week of intake (7 consecutive days - but my "normal" schedule before), and I finally rellapsed at the 14th day (FUCK). WD wasn't that hard but I was lethargic day 2->6 (but felt minor WD to day 14)
For example, is this schedule maintainable :
day 0 (tomorrow) : skip
+1 : 180mg
+2 : 180mg
+3: skip
+4 : 180mg
+5 : 120mg
+6 : 120mg
+7 : skip
+8 : 120mg
+9 : 120mg
+10 : skip
+11 : 120mg
+12 : 80mg
+13 : 80mg
+14 : skip
+15 : 80mg
+16 : 60mg
Ive no idea the dose from wich I can jump ???? It would be good advice if some know
It's now 1,5 year I'm kicking various opiates and this begin to really depress me I hope it's the last step (before it was heroin then sub)
EDIT : I CAN GET MY HAND ON SUB but this would be the last option if possible, sub is hardcore.
Do 4mg of sub do the trick ? 2mg first day, skip, 2mg third day for ex
(the only problem is that there is my parents at my house, or I will kick cold turkey)
I'm asking for help.
I'm trying to kick an addiction from codeine. The most I take is 300mg a day, and in a week I skip 1 to 3 days.
With some OTC stuff wich contain 120mg codethyline 120mg codeine, I am able to stay without any problem at 240mg codeine/codethyline. (I hope codethyline is as strong as codeine and not stronger :/ )
Can someone describe me a good taper plan ? I'm able to stay ~35h without the product with not going that much sick, so take into account I can skip days but for skipping 1 day I need 2 consecutive days of dosing (and I prefer keeping my schedule of skipping some days because I don't want withdrawaling from 8 consecutive weeks of intake).
help
this drug is fucking my life I know I'm not into hardcore addiction but that's really annoying
Ive no idea how hard it will be. Last time I tried, I kicked after 1 complete week of intake (7 consecutive days - but my "normal" schedule before), and I finally rellapsed at the 14th day (FUCK). WD wasn't that hard but I was lethargic day 2->6 (but felt minor WD to day 14)
For example, is this schedule maintainable :
day 0 (tomorrow) : skip
+1 : 180mg
+2 : 180mg
+3: skip
+4 : 180mg
+5 : 120mg
+6 : 120mg
+7 : skip
+8 : 120mg
+9 : 120mg
+10 : skip
+11 : 120mg
+12 : 80mg
+13 : 80mg
+14 : skip
+15 : 80mg
+16 : 60mg
Ive no idea the dose from wich I can jump ???? It would be good advice if some know
It's now 1,5 year I'm kicking various opiates and this begin to really depress me I hope it's the last step (before it was heroin then sub)
EDIT : I CAN GET MY HAND ON SUB but this would be the last option if possible, sub is hardcore.
Do 4mg of sub do the trick ? 2mg first day, skip, 2mg third day for ex
(the only problem is that there is my parents at my house, or I will kick cold turkey)
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