VictorBorge
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^^^ Amen brother. We can only hope.
The Old Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread and Scraps
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Morninggloryseed
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KANKOR said:
Of the post in question, there is no answer to it. No one can tell another person why or why not they did not get the effects they were looking for from a drug. I find it amusing at best, annoying at worst, that individuals think the internet is some magical machine that can be hooked up to your brain and tell you what went on in it last week when you took an experimental drug.
I am not sure what you mean by attacking anyone. I have not been in a fight since I was in the 6th grade. I leave my fighting to the police and the military.
Piper methysticum
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My anger keeps growing towards the hype about 2C-i. Ever since I first tried it, I had a feeling it was going to be the next drug to become scheduled.
Anyhow, 2C-E is really deep and more intense of a psychedelic than 2C-i, but I cannot say that I liked it any better. I like them for very different reasons. It all depends on what type of experience you are looking for and your expectations. When I tried 2C-i, I learned all that I could about it before actually trying it. I knew quite a bit about what to expect, but I still kept far away from the thought of expectations so it would come as more of a surprise. It did, and a pleasant one I might add. But then there are those like 2C-E, that I learned everything I could as well, and did expect a deep experience and was still very much surprised. Different people are different. Some may enjoy the soft, light connection that 2C-i gives, and some may find it rather annoying and see it as too weak of an experience. Then, I know plenty of people that would enjoy 2C-i because they can't handle the intesity of something like 2C-E. It just depends on the person.
Anyhow, 2C-E is really deep and more intense of a psychedelic than 2C-i, but I cannot say that I liked it any better. I like them for very different reasons. It all depends on what type of experience you are looking for and your expectations. When I tried 2C-i, I learned all that I could about it before actually trying it. I knew quite a bit about what to expect, but I still kept far away from the thought of expectations so it would come as more of a surprise. It did, and a pleasant one I might add. But then there are those like 2C-E, that I learned everything I could as well, and did expect a deep experience and was still very much surprised. Different people are different. Some may enjoy the soft, light connection that 2C-i gives, and some may find it rather annoying and see it as too weak of an experience. Then, I know plenty of people that would enjoy 2C-i because they can't handle the intesity of something like 2C-E. It just depends on the person.
"Of the post in question, there is no answer to it. "
Nope, but there might be people that experience similar difficulties that have found a solution for this or that have found other satisfying ways of using this drug. I don't see the point in critisizing someone for asking for such information.
"I am not sure what you mean by attacking anyone. "
I mean by this I have seen you critisizing other peoples opinions, actions and posts when I personally saw it as a good ground for discussion.
Nope, but there might be people that experience similar difficulties that have found a solution for this or that have found other satisfying ways of using this drug. I don't see the point in critisizing someone for asking for such information.
"I am not sure what you mean by attacking anyone. "
I mean by this I have seen you critisizing other peoples opinions, actions and posts when I personally saw it as a good ground for discussion.
Morninggloryseed
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>I have seen you critisizing other peoples opinions, actions and posts
>when I personally saw it as a good ground for discussion.
I did not criticize Kanaba's opinions, actions, or post. I offered my opinion about what I feel, and I gave him some alternative advice for getting fucked up and seeing pretty colors.
I did say that it is silly to expect any kind of an worthwhile answer from strangers on the internet as to why an experimental drug with no human research acted a particularly way in his brain. I still think it's a silly thing to ask, but nowhere in my thread did I call Kanaba any names, or criticize him for asking what he did. Saying I find something silly is not criticism.
KANKOR, I seldom resort to name calling. I have if the person is mentioning actions they engage in that may be harmful to someone else such as driving intoxicated, using unknown (eyeballed) dosages of experimental drugs, or selling them for profit to people that know nothing of these obscure chemicals and their potential dangers. But I don't call people names just for asking what I view to be a silly question. Silly questions are asked all the time. Even I do it.
>People use drugs for different reasons. None of these are 'wrong',
>although you seem to think you use them in a superior way.
I am allowed to offer my opinion. If we were not allowed to offer opinions, then this would be a very boring discussion board. I said "I think" in this situation 2C-I is being used for the wrong reason. That is my opinion, which is obvious because I started out the statement with "I think."
It is in fact my belief that psychedelics (especially ones where no one knows the long-term effects, such as 2C-I) should not be used casually to just get "fucked up." I strongly feel that way, and I am free to state my feelings about it just as you are free to state yours.
But no where ever at Bluelight have I said to anyone that, "My way is superior to yours." I didn't even know I had a "way." I definitely never said that the things I do are better than what anyone else does, or that I am better than anyone else. Do not mischaracterize or slander me. In fact, please point out anything you find that makes the above statements not true in Bluelight's Feedback Forum or the feedback thread here in PD.
>My idea of a forum is a place to exchange ideas, information and
>experiences.
Yeah mine too, and that is what makes me wonder why you are saying I should not state my opinions.
>You might find it more effective to stick to attacking people on their
>posts that are annoying to other users instead of going after people that
>are trying to find an answer to a problem they are experiencing.
Again, I don't "attack" people for simply asking questions. That is an absolutely false characterization of me. I spend a significant amount of my time here every day helping people by answering their questions in threads, as well as the many PMs/emails folks send me almost every day, much to their great appreciation. I get very few critical PMs/emails but I get many positive ones so I don't think that most people feel the way you do about me.
But this is all way off-topic. Please add your comments about me/this to the feedback thread S.G. started here in PD, or to Bluelight's Feedback Forum. If you have a problem with a moderator in the future, then please use the PM function, email, or the Feedback Forum to state your feelings/problems. It is not only off-topic, but against the rules to bring up issues you have with a moderator in a thread such as this.
>when I personally saw it as a good ground for discussion.
I did not criticize Kanaba's opinions, actions, or post. I offered my opinion about what I feel, and I gave him some alternative advice for getting fucked up and seeing pretty colors.
I did say that it is silly to expect any kind of an worthwhile answer from strangers on the internet as to why an experimental drug with no human research acted a particularly way in his brain. I still think it's a silly thing to ask, but nowhere in my thread did I call Kanaba any names, or criticize him for asking what he did. Saying I find something silly is not criticism.
KANKOR, I seldom resort to name calling. I have if the person is mentioning actions they engage in that may be harmful to someone else such as driving intoxicated, using unknown (eyeballed) dosages of experimental drugs, or selling them for profit to people that know nothing of these obscure chemicals and their potential dangers. But I don't call people names just for asking what I view to be a silly question. Silly questions are asked all the time. Even I do it.
>People use drugs for different reasons. None of these are 'wrong',
>although you seem to think you use them in a superior way.
I am allowed to offer my opinion. If we were not allowed to offer opinions, then this would be a very boring discussion board. I said "I think" in this situation 2C-I is being used for the wrong reason. That is my opinion, which is obvious because I started out the statement with "I think."
It is in fact my belief that psychedelics (especially ones where no one knows the long-term effects, such as 2C-I) should not be used casually to just get "fucked up." I strongly feel that way, and I am free to state my feelings about it just as you are free to state yours.
But no where ever at Bluelight have I said to anyone that, "My way is superior to yours." I didn't even know I had a "way." I definitely never said that the things I do are better than what anyone else does, or that I am better than anyone else. Do not mischaracterize or slander me. In fact, please point out anything you find that makes the above statements not true in Bluelight's Feedback Forum or the feedback thread here in PD.
>My idea of a forum is a place to exchange ideas, information and
>experiences.
Yeah mine too, and that is what makes me wonder why you are saying I should not state my opinions.
>You might find it more effective to stick to attacking people on their
>posts that are annoying to other users instead of going after people that
>are trying to find an answer to a problem they are experiencing.
Again, I don't "attack" people for simply asking questions. That is an absolutely false characterization of me. I spend a significant amount of my time here every day helping people by answering their questions in threads, as well as the many PMs/emails folks send me almost every day, much to their great appreciation. I get very few critical PMs/emails but I get many positive ones so I don't think that most people feel the way you do about me.
But this is all way off-topic. Please add your comments about me/this to the feedback thread S.G. started here in PD, or to Bluelight's Feedback Forum. If you have a problem with a moderator in the future, then please use the PM function, email, or the Feedback Forum to state your feelings/problems. It is not only off-topic, but against the rules to bring up issues you have with a moderator in a thread such as this.
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Kankor, I know what you're saying when you mention that 2cI wasn't all that active with you. I've had the exact same experience. I've done 2CI at least 5 times, with the highest dose being 28 milligrams. I feel a body high, some warmth, some definite energy, but almost NO visuals. I saw some slight distortions and glossiness, and if i concentrated really hard on a surface, a pattern MIGHT materialize, but they usually didn't go beyond the complexity of 'eyeballs' or 'smiley faces'... not too much movement or organization of the visuals, either. I dont know, it's rare, but maybe some people are neurologically more tolerant to 2ci than others.
Kankor, I know what you're saying when you mention that 2cI wasn't all that active with you. I've had the exact same experience. I've done 2CI at least 5 times, with the highest dose being 28 milligrams. I feel a body high, some warmth, some definite energy, but almost NO visuals. I saw some slight distortions and glossiness, and if i concentrated really hard on a surface, a pattern MIGHT materialize, but they usually didn't go beyond the complexity of 'eyeballs' or 'smiley faces'... not too much movement or organization of the visuals, either. I dont know, it's rare, but maybe some people are neurologically more tolerant to 2ci than others.
whoah i didnt know you all read what i posted before that. kinda jumped in a bit late. really though, ive run the gamut of research chems, done quite a few, and never have gotten the satisfaction that i get out of the 'old faithfuls', i.e. lsd, mushrooms, 5-meo-dmt, etc
-If you just want to get fucked up and see pretty colors, why don't you just drink some alcohol, or huff gasoline, and look into a kaleidoscope? Then you will be fucked up and seeing pretty colors.
I find that to be a bit unnecessary and immature, given the environment we're holding our discussion in here. To be condescending enough to find one person's reasons for using a drug to be 'wrong' or really 'inferior to your own' almost makes me wonder where all the love that used to be involved in drugs went. You telling me that my reasons are 'wrong' is like telling me that YOUR reasons are 'right.' Drugs, especially psychedelics like 2ci and others, are extremely subjective things, and theres no right or wrong reason to be doing them. Personally, I think if you need drugs as a crutch for introspection, it says something about your charecter and *in my humble opinion* displays intellectual weakness. Personally *in my humble opinion* I use drugs recreationally, to have fun, what I believe they're fucking meant for. That's not to say that your high-brow perception of drugs is any worse than mine. I think what more people in these forums need to learn is a little decency and politeness. Keep it civil, people. Theres no such thing as a silly question, and belittling people for their comments is a childish thing that seekers should avoid. Thanks.
I find that to be a bit unnecessary and immature, given the environment we're holding our discussion in here. To be condescending enough to find one person's reasons for using a drug to be 'wrong' or really 'inferior to your own' almost makes me wonder where all the love that used to be involved in drugs went. You telling me that my reasons are 'wrong' is like telling me that YOUR reasons are 'right.' Drugs, especially psychedelics like 2ci and others, are extremely subjective things, and theres no right or wrong reason to be doing them. Personally, I think if you need drugs as a crutch for introspection, it says something about your charecter and *in my humble opinion* displays intellectual weakness. Personally *in my humble opinion* I use drugs recreationally, to have fun, what I believe they're fucking meant for. That's not to say that your high-brow perception of drugs is any worse than mine. I think what more people in these forums need to learn is a little decency and politeness. Keep it civil, people. Theres no such thing as a silly question, and belittling people for their comments is a childish thing that seekers should avoid. Thanks.
Morninggloryseed
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Kanaba said:
Well I believe (in my humble opinion) you have serious personal flaws because you think psychedelics are just for recreation and you use them as a "crutch" to have fun if that is the way you want to play. 8)
I didn't say I needed psychedelics for introspection. For that matter I never said I needed them for anything, but they are very useful for gaining insights into one's head. There are literally hundreds of papers written on psychedelic psychotherapy. But that is besides the point. The point is you are completely misquoting me and it is very annoying.
And I never said you were right or wrong for doing anything. I will say it again. I never said you were right or wrong for doing anything. Need a third time? I never said you were right or wrong for doing anything.
Please actually read what I say before you comment because it really is very frustrating when people misquote you, or take your words out of context. It is obvious you didn't read my words because, again, I never said you were right or wrong for anything. As was stated before...
">People use drugs for different reasons. None of these are 'wrong',
>although you seem to think you use them in a superior way.
More importantly, you also failed to read this...
If you have a problems with what a moderator (or anyone) says, PM them, contact a moderator/administrator, or use the feedback forum. This thread is about 2C-I. Do not use a thread in PD to complain about someone you don't like, or something they said you don't like.
Anymore complaints about me in this forum will result in the writer being warned, and their post being erased. This thread is about 2C-I. Not about MGS' feelings on psychedelics. Please stay on topic.
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Morninggloryseed
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And Kanaba, if you found anything I said offensive, then I apologize that I upset you in any way.
bah to 2c-i becoming the new ecstacy. no drug replaces another. ever. stoopid media.
that said, i LOVE to stuff. and i'm not the hugest fan of psychadelics either. however, i find 2c-i mild enough for my liking, and the ability to control my doses is everything i could want.
and combining it with pills....nothing better.
BUT...i think its time 2c-i gots itself a street name. mind you, there are so many variants of the the 2c- chain that it might be a bit difficult. tho it would make for interesting discussion.
hehe, my friends have coined a term for the mushroom analogue (cant remember quite which one it was) and called it Digital Mushroom. how fitting
that said, i LOVE to stuff. and i'm not the hugest fan of psychadelics either. however, i find 2c-i mild enough for my liking, and the ability to control my doses is everything i could want.
and combining it with pills....nothing better.
BUT...i think its time 2c-i gots itself a street name. mind you, there are so many variants of the the 2c- chain that it might be a bit difficult. tho it would make for interesting discussion.
hehe, my friends have coined a term for the mushroom analogue (cant remember quite which one it was) and called it Digital Mushroom. how fitting
Psilo707
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syntech said:
Wow thats weird, I totally agree and was thinking about the same thing a few hours ago.
I didnt want to post anything yet because I thought I was alone in this and that people were content with the standard name for it.
I think if a term was created for it, though, 2 things would happen almost for sure: 1) It would be placed on scheduling faster than if it were not street-named, 2) But.. it would gain more popularity in the street itself, thus getting big enough for it's own place on the black market once it's scheduled.
I don't really want such a drug to be spread to the masses, but It seems that the popularity of it is growing rapidly and there is nothing we can do about it. So maybe slang would help in this case.
I wonder what it would be called? I personally cant think of any cool drug names that don't sound terrifying to the public... lol
Morninggloryseed
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>BUT...i think its time 2c-i gots itself a street name. mind you,
>there are so many variants of the the 2c- chain that it might be
>a bit difficult. tho it would make for interesting discussion.
That's crazy. "Street names" or slang only causes confusion. It is not good to have multiple names for one chemical, especially for of an experimental nature like 2C-I. Slang names for drugs for drugs are often regional, varying from locality, which again just creates confusion for what chemical one is talking about.
Is "to-see-I" too phonetically complicated for you to pronounce? I don't understand why it would need a slang name. It will end up with something as stupid as "foxy" or "lucky-7" which were some childish and ridiculous names given to 5-MeO-DiPT and 2C-T-7. I know for a fact that the guy who coined 5-MeO-DiPT, foxy methoxy, seriously regrets it. Besides, experimental drugs like 2C-I have NO BUSINESS being sold on "the street." This is just one more illustration to me how few people take seriously the unknown experimental nature of things like 2C-I. It's just another thing to get high on.
Very discouraging.
>there are so many variants of the the 2c- chain that it might be
>a bit difficult. tho it would make for interesting discussion.
That's crazy. "Street names" or slang only causes confusion. It is not good to have multiple names for one chemical, especially for of an experimental nature like 2C-I. Slang names for drugs for drugs are often regional, varying from locality, which again just creates confusion for what chemical one is talking about.
Is "to-see-I" too phonetically complicated for you to pronounce? I don't understand why it would need a slang name. It will end up with something as stupid as "foxy" or "lucky-7" which were some childish and ridiculous names given to 5-MeO-DiPT and 2C-T-7. I know for a fact that the guy who coined 5-MeO-DiPT, foxy methoxy, seriously regrets it. Besides, experimental drugs like 2C-I have NO BUSINESS being sold on "the street." This is just one more illustration to me how few people take seriously the unknown experimental nature of things like 2C-I. It's just another thing to get high on.
Very discouraging.
Psilo707
Bluelight Crew
^ I see this in a much different way. I don't see people not taking the drug 'serious enough'. The point is that this particular substance *probably will* become big enough to attain more mainstream recognition.. whether we like it or not. I personally don't like it just as much as you don't like it. But since it's inevitable, we may as well try and 'sway' the dubbing of this chemical away from horrible made up names such as Foxy Methoxy and the like. Even "Acid" sounds much worse than the LSD-25 chemical truly is - that word sparks fear in many [uneducated] just because of how intense it sounds.
And I agree, the world of drugs is becoming discouraging. This is where "Generation X" turns into "Generation Ecstasy" and people will take anything to get high or mentally altered. Why you think Starbucks and Energy Drinks are both so popular now??
And I agree, the world of drugs is becoming discouraging. This is where "Generation X" turns into "Generation Ecstasy" and people will take anything to get high or mentally altered. Why you think Starbucks and Energy Drinks are both so popular now??
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
^^^^^^^^^^^
Ok, 2C-I is becoming more popular. That still doesn't address this "need" you and syntech seem to feel in that it needs a "street" name. Why not call it "2C-I"?
Again, slang only create confusion. If 2C-I were to become as popular as MDMA, then the last thing needed is confusion about what the substance actually is and what it does because it masquerades around under 3 or 4 different names and no one can actually figure out what anyone is talking about to research it.
I will cite the examples you used. There are a lot of people that don't know acid and LSD are the same thing. They think the two are different drugs and LSD has been popularly used among the "masses" now since the mid 1960's. And many people think ecstacy is a mix of cocaine and heroin, not a single chemical called MDMA. That one has been in popular use since the 80's.
I don't see anything at all positive for coming up with a "slang" name for 2C-I.
Ok, 2C-I is becoming more popular. That still doesn't address this "need" you and syntech seem to feel in that it needs a "street" name. Why not call it "2C-I"?
Again, slang only create confusion. If 2C-I were to become as popular as MDMA, then the last thing needed is confusion about what the substance actually is and what it does because it masquerades around under 3 or 4 different names and no one can actually figure out what anyone is talking about to research it.
I will cite the examples you used. There are a lot of people that don't know acid and LSD are the same thing. They think the two are different drugs and LSD has been popularly used among the "masses" now since the mid 1960's. And many people think ecstacy is a mix of cocaine and heroin, not a single chemical called MDMA. That one has been in popular use since the 80's.
I don't see anything at all positive for coming up with a "slang" name for 2C-I.
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nada rylnym
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true that. i agree w/ MGS and iso240. "2C-I" - its catchy enough as is. i almost regret suggesting this thread, its becoming a fucking monster.
true that. i agree w/ MGS and iso240. "2C-I" - its catchy enough as is. i almost regret suggesting this thread, its becoming a fucking monster.
VictorBorge
Bluelighter
2C-I has always struck me as one of the few Shulgin abbreviations, maybe along with the other 2C-[x]'s, that works just fine as a street name already.
Not that I want to see any of our favorite substances actually have "street names", but this one is already so short and trips of the tongue so nicely that it doesn't really need a new one.
Which may be at least part of the reason it's taking off and getting so much attention in the first place. Marketing 101 teaches us that short, simple, easily pronouncible brands are much likelier to be accepted by a mass market than long complicated technical names.
Plus, 2C-I goes so well with the other 2C's into a fun little open-source branded product line, like different flavors of Unix or something. It's a marketer's wet dream.
Not that I want to see any of our favorite substances actually have "street names", but this one is already so short and trips of the tongue so nicely that it doesn't really need a new one.
Which may be at least part of the reason it's taking off and getting so much attention in the first place. Marketing 101 teaches us that short, simple, easily pronouncible brands are much likelier to be accepted by a mass market than long complicated technical names.
Plus, 2C-I goes so well with the other 2C's into a fun little open-source branded product line, like different flavors of Unix or something. It's a marketer's wet dream.
Psilo707
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I feel fine saying 2C-I myself. I never really 'wanted' a slang term, but when it comes down to it - I would rather a decent name come up for the drug, agreed on by more respectful drug users, instead of something totally bizzare and scary popping up. I will call it 2C-I as long as it's around, I will never myself call it anything else (as iso240 stated), but I just don't see the point in trying to avoid the inevitable.
Of course, I may be wrong - maybe the drug will NOT become big enough for that sort of incident to occur. Maybe it's not inevitable.
But if it is, I'd rather be a part of it I guess. I don't know why. I like drugs too much?
Of course, I may be wrong - maybe the drug will NOT become big enough for that sort of incident to occur. Maybe it's not inevitable.
But if it is, I'd rather be a part of it I guess. I don't know why. I like drugs too much?