Now maybe I am just jumping to conclusions, but I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that since you (Love in Vein) used quotations in your post that were written by me, that these assumptions you made and things you said, such as the "elitist" comment, were also directed at me.
I don't care what you consider or think about me; that is until you go so far as to type your thoughts in public about me for others to read in a forum that is not appropriate for that. At that point, I feel it is time to address the situation. It would be one thing if quotations of mine did not precede your off-topic "soapbox" Love in Vein. But they did. I will go ahead and add quotations from passages that appear in this very thread that I wrote since it seems you suffer Love in Vein from a disorder known as
selective reading. It is a condition in which the reader will consciously or unconsciously ignore certain passages of a text, while focusing on other words or phrases in a particular passage. This condition causes the reader to totally misinterpret the writer's intent or disposition. That's what seems to have happened here.
I really wanted this thread to stay on the topic of 2C-I, but it just seems that for some reason this thread wants to focus on people's conceptions/misconceptions about morninggloryseed which I have warned is off-topic. I will address what is said and hopefully put an end to this. It will be the last time this issue is addressed.
MGS said:
Personally I think you are just using 2C-I for the wrong reasons. It does a lot more than just 'fuck you up' and produce visuals. Actually I find 2C-I visuals kind of tame compared to some of the other 2Cs I've taken. But 2C-I is a fantastic tool for introspection, and has some of the entactogenic properties of MDMA (for me anyway.) Maybe you are looking for something that 2C-I just doesn't do.
Then Love In Vein said:
>One could easily argue that there's something wrong with a person
>that needs to use drugs to reach a contemplative or enlightened or
>insightful states of mind. That someone who needs to use drugs for such
>things is weak minded.
Again, if my assumption is wrong than I am sorry for wasting BL bandwidth but since you were quoting me, I am going to assume that your comments were directed at me.
MGS said:
I didn't say I needed psychedelics for introspection. For that matter I never said I needed them for anything, but they are very useful for gaining insights into one's head. There are literally hundreds of papers written on psychedelic psychotherapy. But that is besides the point. The point is you are completely misquoting me and it is very annoying.
Love In Vein said in reference to the subject of meditation vs psychedelics:
>Anyone could just as easily relax and meditate.
Well that depends on who you talk to but I will be the first to admit I am not an expert in meditative practices. The same thing always interested me, that is meditation vs using a psychedelic. I got a first-hand insight into this from a close friend of mine who has practiced meditation for around 40 years. Then she had her world shattered one day with 5-MeO-DMT. I asked her about the experience, and what happens when she meditates. She said she has reached some fantastic places through meditation, but never like that. I won't claim to know or have talked to everyone who has ever meditated, but I'll bet that psychedelics can still show a person things, or take them to places not possible the meditative process in the right set and setting.
MGS's friend Robon said
The only thing that kept me sane was the control I have over my brain. I could do out of body since very young. I was shocked when I learned others did not have or develop this skill. I have always been close to the Great Spirit as my father and grandfather taught me. Oneness with nature has always been my escape. I also have an extreme oneness with animals, perhaps since they were my only close friends as a child...The initial force of being thrust out of body [from 5-MeO-DMT] was much more intense than I am used to. I am used to being in control, but at that moment I so was not. I have experienced death 3 times before, so I knew that was the way I was headed....I met Great Spirit, I was in the energy of his presence. For the first time in my life I felt real love. It was so intense all I could say at that point of my journey was thank-you...This experience taught me what love feels like.
That was from a trip report at erowid called
Oneness written by my great friend and teacher.
Love in Vein retorted this in reference to something MGS said:
>Personally, I also find it offensive and obnoxious when people get on
>their soap box and tell me I'm not getting as much out of drugs as I could
>when their lives are no better than mine either way.
MGS will say again for the umteenth time:
no where ever at Bluelight have I said to anyone that, "My way is superior to yours." I didn't even know I had a "way." I definitely never said that "the things I do are better than what anyone else does, or that I am better than anyone else." Do not mischaracterize or slander me. In fact, please point out anything you find that makes the above statements not true in Bluelight's Feedback Forum or the feedback thread here in PD.
Love in Vein said:
>The only benefit elitism towards research chemicals has is that they'll
>be available to the elite longer by not being scheduled as quickly.
Well I'm not sure what a "research chemical elitist" is, but taking actions to avoid potentially useful entheogens from being popular drugs of abuse resulting in adverse negative effects from using them without care, or a possible ban has more ramifications than just allowing a "research chemical elitist", whatever in the hell that is, to be able to obtain them in an easy fashion.
I know for a fact that there are a number of underground psychotherapist that use things such as 2C-I and 5-MeO-DMT in therapy which has proven quite helpful to those who undertake such therapy. And I know that things like 2C-C, 2C-E, iprocin, methylone, and probably a few others I have not tried will be just as useful. If they are formally outlawed, such therapy will become much harder to be involved in. Psychedelic psychotherapy is nothing new. LSD, psilocybin, MDMA, DPT, and other psychedelics have proven valuable in psychotherapy both in the past and the present. Look at
www.maps.org for further information.
One more quote...
MGS will say for the last time, and this time he means is:
If you have a problems with what a moderator (or anyone) says, PM them, contact a moderator/administrator, or use the feedback forum. This thread is about 2C-I. Do not use a thread in PD to complain about someone you don't like, or something they said you don't like.
Anymore complaints about me in this forum will result in the writer being warned, and their post being erased. This thread is about 2C-I. Not about MGS' feelings on psychedelics. Please stay on topic.
I'm serious. I don't care what anyone feels/thinks about me as long as they keep it out of this forum but for the last time, let's focus on 2C-I and not what a terrible elitist asshole MGS is.
, but this has happened before with shady vendors, and there are plenty of those (shady vendors that is). But my observation may just be a result of a higher volume of 2C-I reports than in years passed, making the "everyone reacts differently" thing more apparent. You decide. I'm lucky and have the ability to have MS/GC tests run on my party favors, so I'm not too worried about it, but I do have a concern for the general public (well, the general psychedelic community).