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The Old and Overgrown Methylone Thread (11-2002 to 2-2007)

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Someone Who Isn't Not Me should hopefully be receiving a small amount of methylone in the near future. I... I mean he's been looking unsuccessfully (albeit not all that intensely) for MDMA for a while. It's been years since I.. I mean he took it, and he.. I mean we miss it greatly. So the two of us (I mean he) bit the bullet and paid for some of this absurdly expensive product.

The comments/reports I've read about methylone have been largely positive, but vary somewhat. SWINM is trying to set his expectations of the (single 200mg) experiment appropriately. He's encouraged by the reports of similarity to MDMA and mood-lifting effect, but we're somewhat doubtful about the apparently short duration of the euphoric effects followed by hours of potentially less-pleasant stimulation.

SWINM and I are "old school," and we both have an appreciation for pure, unadulterated MDMA, with its typically gentle come-down. Neither of us is very fond of meth or extended periods of tweaking. We enjoy our sleep afterward. Is there anything I should tell my very close friend to prepare him for MDMC?
 
Whatever you do, don't expect an MDMA-like experience from methylone. Just as MDMA has a spectrum of effects that is so unique from every other psychedelic and stimulant, methylone is equally unique. It does something different than MDMA.
 
methylone is a wonderful substance.. tried it at 170mg for the first time today and it in my opinion is better than MDMA, although mdma tends to batter my brain as this doesnt.
 
Helios. said:
^^advertisement for some RC company.

Methylone is inferior to mdma, but it's not bad.
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I certainly wouldn't call it inferior, just different. But I have trouble myself trying to decide which of the two (M-1, or MDMA) I "like the best" because they are both so wonderful. The only drawback I can see is the potency (it takes 180mg or so for me, where as even 100mg of MDMA will produce full effects) and cost. But then again, that shouldn't be an issue in deciding which one you like the best.
 
Helios. said:
^^advertisement for some RC company.

Methylone is inferior to mdma, but it's not bad.
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Please define how the subjective terms "inferior" and "bad" apply in your assessment of MDMA compared with methylone.
 
i like them both. i find methylone to be a more clear-headed controllable high without messy peaks wheras MDMA is a more intense peak thats got the WOAH factor. combine them both and there u got it, the best dance drug ever
 
I'm sure I will be accused of being an elitist asshole for saying this...but man I think everyone who looks at MDMA, MDA, methylone, and other entactogenic psychedelics as 'dance drugs' should really consider trying them in a totally different setting. Grab your best friend, or (even better) your girlfriend...head to the nearest National Forest (or the non-US equivalent) and take one of the entactogens when the sun goes down. Instead of looking to dance, look to explore each others' minds. You may find yourself in the deepest experiences of your life. There is SOOOO much these substances offer...and so many of you are missing this because you take the entactogens in recreational settings.



And please don't think I am coming down on those of you who use the entactogens as purely a recreational substance. I am just suggesting that you give them a try in a new setting. You might just discover properties these materials have that you never knew before. Some people do not understand why MDMA is considered a psychedelic by so many. But that is because the drug is often not given the proper setting in order to be a psychedelic.

MGS

PS...by psychedelic I don't mean visuals...although MDMA causes me some very nice color enhancement and CEVs. MDA is fully visual, and methylone isn't too visual with the eyes open, but with eyes closed, I get "brain moves" that are amazing. But anyway, in saying they are 'psychedelic drugs' I mean a mind-expanding drug that can facilitate communication and insights.
 
Of course it's alright to have an opinion, but like Coolio, I found methylone to be less and less like mdma the more times I took it.

Methylone produces a quiet, serene, enjoyable headspace but is less potent, more expensive and more subtle than is mdma. I took a large (around 1 g) dose one time and became jittery with pressured, rapid speech and thought patterns.

Combining mdma and methylone is an experience I've never had thus far but I would imagine is quite danceable. Especially if you add ice I would think. And maybe some psilocybin and mda.
 
Helios. said:
I found methylone to be less and less like mdma the more times I took it.
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My experience was the opposite...my first two experiences were nothing. Just an MDMA-like body feeling and none of the entheogenic/psychedelic effects.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=13320

Then my third time, I took it while camping with my gal. We went into the experience thinking it would just be a buzz good for sex all night...but we were very surprised.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=16898

Methylone produces a quiet, serene, enjoyable headspace but is less potent, more expensive and more subtle than is mdma.
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Come on, like I pointed out before...cost and potency does not have any bearing on how good a substance is. Mescaline is very weak, but most consider it the best PEA there is. The fact that mescaline is weak does not change the fact that it is a wonderful psychedelic.

And I don't see how cost if a factor. I managed to get methylone at $70/gram. THis is pretty cheap. So for me, methylone is much cheaper than the price of a gram (on average) in the US.

And yes, I agree methylone is subtle...my first try with it was at a rave...anmd it left me totally unimpressed. But in the right setting....it is VERY strong. You just have to be in a proper enviornment to be open to the more subtle properties. ANd when those subtle properties come out...the experience is anything but mild and subtle.

Helios...have you ever taken methylone at night while camping with a best friend or loved one? Having taken it in a number of settings (a rave, alone, with friends hanging out (well this was combined with LSD, and another time 2C-I), and while camping. And I never experienced the powerful side of methylone until I tried it while camping. Try it in that setting before you form any final conclusions about methylone. Because if you have not tried it in that setting, you have not experienced all that methylone has to offer.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like methylone.

One time--I believe it was the first time I tried it--I was overwhelmed with relaxation for about a minute. I remember thinking, "Yeah, the
1,3-BDO...is it. This substitution pattern has got it right."

But given the choice between binging on 5g of mdea or 5g methylone, the mdea wins by a huge margin. I didn't mention mdma because there's no need to binge like that with mdma as 1/2g is plenty for one good night. Methylone didn't pan out in the highest dosage ranges, and those are my favorite to explore.

I don't have a significant other, so no, I can't say that I've combined methylone with that scenario (camping, significant other).

As far as cost, it depends on how much money you have at your disposal at the time. I'm not exactly rich right now.
 
Well I've never binged. Please don't think I am saying it wrong to 'binge.' But in your case...I think the binging part means we are coming from two totally different places and points of view with regard to these two substances, and what they are to be used for.

I've had MDMA about six times, MDA three times, and methylone about six times. It is beyond me how people can binge on the substances...but everyone is different.
 
Well, I haven't done any of them in more than a year.

Binge may have been a poor choice of words, as it has a negative connotation, but for me, one can't truly understand a subtance until one has taken it to an extreme, provided of course, that the substance in question is worth being taken to an extreme and the dosage is kept within safe parameters. Also, I certainly didn't binge every time I indulged in an MDxx, not even close.

I've taken mdma about 400 or more times, mda only a very few times, mdea less than 30 times and methylone less than 7 grams. The most acid I every took in one day was 50 hits.
 
I also like to overindulge to make sure I truly understand the lesson the substance is trying to teach me.

It usually ends up being "don't take so much of me, dumbass."
 
I've taken mdma about 400 or more times, mda only a very few times, mdea less than 30 times and methylone less than 7 grams.
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Wow! Over how many years? Ricaurte would drool at the prospect of getting you as a subject in a study.
 
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